Tactical lights??

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G-30

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Okay all you light junkies out there. I'll admit I'm one :neener:

I'm new to all this tactical stuff so forgive my ignorance. :scrutiny:
How or in what circumstances do you use a light? I know that if there is a BG in my house I don't think I would have the flashlight on as I'm walking down the hall looking into rooms trying to find him. To me this only pin points me. So, I'm a little confused here on it's usage.

Yeah, okay so you know were he is and you "Blind" him with 1,000,000 candle power of light. That gives you the advantage, I guess?

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but if I come up with a good answer I get to buy a new flashlight. :D
 
Well, call me crazy, but I use mine to see things in the dark. The design of most modern "tactical" flashlights allows them to be momentarily activated so that you can see whats going on without having the light on the whole time. This limits how much of your own location you give away.

More to the point, clearing a house is NOT a one person job in the first place, just moving around is giving away your location.
 
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=116949&highlight=tactical

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=108186&highlight=light

It boils down to a matter of preferences, but here's a few advantages that justify my choice to use a handheld light:

1) It can be held away from my body, rather than acting as a neon bullseye to my center of mass to any potential threats.

2) Just as you never use the scope of a rifle as a pair of binoculars, you never use a weaponlight as just a flashlight.

2a) In the course of my day, I find myself abundantly more likely to use a flashlight than a weapon (though I have both). Keeping the flashlight in a holster of it's own keeps me from having to draw my gun to seperate the light from it, or violate the second item I listed.

3) It's easy to find holsters for all of my guns. Choices become significantly narrowed for holsters with lights attached, particularly for concealed carry.

A good consideration might be investing in some night sights for your firearm instead. No batteries or parts to crap out, easy to find your gun and aim in the dark without painting yourself as a target, easier for low light shooting, and in no-light shooting, NS plus a handheld flashlight are a great combo. Like I said it's a matter of personal preference, and the mounted lights have a better place in certain roles (night stand gun) than others (everyday concealed carry). Good luck with your choice.

Quoting myself from that second thread.
 
G-30...might want to re-consider your "tactics" with a home intruder.....going looking for them in each room...will mean you do find them, right after they find you....might consder letting them come to you...and then lite them up....tactics are planning for a multiple of situations.... and being prepared for the majority of them. If you want a new light....get one, darkness is usually half of your 24 hour day.
 
I would think a typical aplication for a "tactical" light would be walking back to your car in a parking lot in the dark or low light. Someone approaches you and you don't know their intentions. Shine the light towards their feet or knees so you don't blind them (you can still their face see plenty good this way) so that you can watch them and they know you are watching them. Be polite but reserved if you speak to them. If they start to act threatening, you can raise the aim of the light to their face ("ouch") and tell them to back off, etc.

My $0.02
 
This topic is almost as bad as the 9mm vs .45 threads!!

G-30 try doing a search on WML. You will see a new post on Weapon Mounted Lights every 30 days or so.
 
More to the point, clearing a house is NOT a one person job

Amen brother. Just for giggles I "cleared" my house one night just to get an idea of how difficult I knew this would actually be. You simply cannot imagine how many nooks and crannies the average house has where someone could hide. Clearing any building alone would be next to impossible and would require a healthy dose of luck on your side.

As for me I use my lights to see what kinda animal might have my dog aggitated etc.

As for "Tactical", well I am not really a tactical kind of guy no skills nor any desire to shoot at or more to the point get shot at by anybody.

I would think that any half decent light would make for a nice flash and bash if need be. A quick burst of light in the eyes at close range followed by a sharp smack to the bridge of the nose should buy you a couple of retreat seconds. I have a Surefire E1L that only puts out about 25 lumens but that LED light is very irratating when shined right in the eyes and that little sucker would hurt if smacked in the bridge of the nose with that little crenalated bezel.
 
Sorry if you couldn't read the sarcasim into my post. Thats the downside to these forums. No I wouldn't want to clear a house by myself either. Besides, I'm sure my dog would at least have the BG cornered :D

I just keep hearing about "everyone" and there tactical lights. (You have to admit that the mental image is a guy with his gun up and ready and his off hand holding a light.) I was trying to figure out what makes them so speacial. Like I said I would'nt want to have the light on to leat the BG know my exact location.

I know that lights are measured by Lumen, but what is it?
 
a lumen is the measurement of the hot spot in the center of the projected beam....
 
cslinger...is that surefire, as in only one?.... or surefire's, as in a litter ? if you only have one...you have some will power !!!!
 
a lumen is the measurement of the hot spot in the center of the projected beam....

You're confusing lumens with candlepower. The definition you give is for candlepower. Lumens are a measure of the entire light output.

brad cook
 
I recently read about a brand new tactical flashlight from Blackhawk called the Gladius.

If I recall correctly, it has some type of tactical STROBE function in addition to a powerful LED light.

:what: :eek: :what:

Does anyone have this new light from Blackhawk, and how does the strobe function work?
 
G-30, welcome to THR.

TallPine mentions some solid "tactical" scenarios for using a flashlight... outside the home. I've lost count of the times I've used a flashlight for just such events (mostly small, but a few major ones) over the last 30 years. Most have been outside the home, often while out for an evening stroll.

I've stopped car-thefts-in-progress, ID'd crime get-away vehicles, surprised muggers, taken charge of deadly highway accident scenes where nobody else had an operable flashlight (including the cops!), prevented reckless drivers from running over me/my significant other while walking in very expensive neighborhoods, and spotted porcupines, skunks, and feral dogs taking aim at me and my dogs.

The topper was this: when I lived in a rural area, I "spotted" a fast-moving sports car that nearly ran over me and my dogs on the dead-end dirt road by my house. Minutes later, the 2 guys in that car tried to break into my distant-neighbor's house. When I heard the ruckus, I came a-running (and very well armed). I "captured" one of the dudes; the other took off to the hills. My shaken neighbor said they'd nearly kicked in his door... when he (and they) saw me running up the hill... with my big MAG-charger beam painting the landscape. When the cops finally got there (30 min. later), they "ran" the punks' car. Came back stolen, and used the day before in an armed robbery. The punk who got away turned out to be a druggie who also trafficked in machine guns. My Liberal neighbor (Mondale-Ferraro and Save-the Whales bumper stickers) never thanked me for saving his family. The cops did, and they deputized me for the ensuing man-hunt that 15 degree cold night.

Months later, I learned that the punks got the wrong house! They mistook my (lucky) neighbor's house for another similar place nearby -- one that belonged to a guy who was one of the said-punks' fellow druggies. And this was all in a "nice" neighborhood. It could have been my house they targeted, too.

What would YOU have done that night? If it happened to you this weekend, would you be prepared... with a gun, and flashlights? Properly trained?

Good flashlights -- from the big old MAGs, to the hi-tech Surefires, Inovas, and Streamlights, and the potent little PEAKs and Nuwai's you can/should always have on you... and in your car... and around your home -- are great early warning systems. They also can send an important "tactical" message: "Back Off! Victim-hood ain't spoken here!" Coupled with other weapons (O.C., batons, guns, knives) flashlights (good ones, not cheapies) are all key parts of the Force Continuum.

Victims-in-waiting inevitably scorn "paranoids" like us -- untill the SHTF.
 
G-30 ~

Tactically speaking, you use a tactical light for tactical target identification. :)

Generally, at home you would simply turn on the electric lights if you needed more light. But maybe the electricity is off, and is that a family member or a thug walking into your bedroom?? A handheld tac light might save you from making a deadly mistake.

A good handheld tactical light is small enough to fit comfortably in a pocket, so it can be with you wherever you might need it. For instance, if you were walking to your car after dark, you could simply pull it out of your pocket to light your way -- and incidentally to check and make sure no one is loitering near your car before you get there.

Tac lights can be activated with one hand, and most have "momentary on" and "constant on" features. Momentary on lets you flick the light on and back off again very quickly, useful for quickly checking an area (and then moving at least two steps or more from where you were standing). Constant on lets you turn the light on and leave it on. Being able to activate it with one hand means you don't have to drop whatever is in the other hand in order to use the light -- be it a gun, your lover's hand, or the sack of groceries you're bringing in from the car.

Strobe functions are kind of cool. If you ever go anywhere where you might need to signal for help, a strobe can get people's attention in a hurry. It is also blinding & disorienting, a plus as long as you don't get disoriented by it!

A tac light can be used as a weapon. Not just for blinding people, either -- though that's useful, too. But they can be used as a kubotan or persuader (small stick), better than bare hands if you find yourself unable to access a gun when attacked. They're legal to take on airplanes, and the presence of one in your pocket is unlikely to raise an eyebrow even from your gun-hating, pacifist maiden aunt.

When shopping for a tac light, compare lumen output to battery life, and don't forget to check what kind of batteries they're talking about. Despite all the brouhaha about candlepower vs lumens, there really isn't a standard way to measure how good a light is at simply lighting something up so you can look at it (for reference, a 25-watt bulb has a lumen rating about a gajillion times higher than a typical tac light -- but if I wanted to really see something specific, I'd use the tac light to light it up, not the bulb). Anyway, you want the highest number of lumens and the longest run time possible, and you want a relatively common battery type.

You want a light that's got a sturdy body, some kind of pocket clip or lanyard ring (or both), a rear switch with both momentary and constant on capability, and a lock-out feature to let you turn it so far off it cannot be bumped back on again by accident.

You probably want an incandescent light, but the LEDs are getting brighter and more useful every year. Some of the newer LEDs are giving 65 lumens or more in very small packages, longer run times than incandescents, and of course LEDs are drop-proof which is a Darn Good Thing for an object that is likely to be dropped at some point. Biggest drawback is that most people do not perceive an LED light to be as bright as an incandescent light with a comparable lumen output, so be sure to take that into consideration when comparing numbers.

HTH.

pax
 
Pax, that's an excellent flashlight education you put forth.

About the only thing I'd add is this: no "one" flashlight is all-around perfect for all situations and needs (although Surefire makes a few that come real close).

Once you really get into flashlights, visit CandlePowerForum, and learn about Beam-Shapes, Run-Times (and the "regulation" circuitry affecting this), Durability issues, and Brightness (more brightness is not always good), I think you realize that you need 2 or 3 different flashlights on you/around you/nearby at all times to be practically/tactically prepared.

LED's are great, but they lack the Throw to cut through urban/suburban ambient street-light to reach the shadows beyond. When we do our nightly walks, I deploy (1) a Surefire Z2 with a KL3 LED head (runs forever) for short-range flood, (2) a Pelican M6 or MAG 3C (impact weapon) or Streamlight Stinger (all incans) for long-range problems, and (3) keep a SF E2 with KL1 gen-3 LED head (good Throw) in my pocket for EDC/back-up.

At home, several big MAGs are always close-by, along with smaller Pelicans, etc. in various cubby-holes and drawers. Because a number of THR folks have experienced "incidents" at their front door, I now keep a big MAG 3C in close proximity there, too... with a can of O.C.

Given the random nature of crime, I learned long ago that there's no such thing as a "nice, safe neighborhood."
 
Okay, I did a little reading at Surefire's web site. They recommend a minimum of 60 lumens.

I do have an LED headlamp and I know what you mean by being "washed out."
So if I got 2 lights one LED and one Bulb what two lights do you recommend? I do realize it is a biased opinion but hopefully I will see a pattern.

I already have 5 or 6 lights but I need more. :D
You can never have too many lights, guns, power tools etc.
 
PAX hit the nail on the head - positive target I.D.

With a flashlight, direct the beam into the eyes first. If you I.D. the threat as a target, keep the light on, bring the muzzle of your weapon onto target, and if possible, simultaneously move off line of attack and verbally command: "STOP, SHOW ME YOUR HANDS, STAY WHERE YOU ARE, DON'T MOVE!"

For weapon mounted lights, splash the light onto the threat (shining it onto the floor, wall or ceiling) for I.D., then if the threat is a target, put the light/muzzle directly onto target, and if possible, simultanously move off line of attack and issue a verbal command (see above).

I suggest a verbal challenge (WHO'S THERE!) before moving through your home to investigate suspicious noises/activity. A verbal challenge will almost always allow quick ID if the perceived threat is a family member.

One may need house clearing skills to move from the master bedroom to a child's room when suspicious noises/activity occurs.
 
cslinger...is that surefire, as in only one?.... or surefire's, as in a litter ? if you only have one...you have some will power !!!!

Uhhhh no :uhoh: One is none and two is one and all that.........

I actually have
1 E1L
1 L1
1 L2
2 A2 Aviators
 
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