Tactical Schmactical ?????

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http://concise.britannica.com/ebc/article-9382446/weapons-system

" Weapons are usually divided into two categories, strategic and tactical. Strategic weapons strike at the seat of an enemy's military, economic, and political power, targeting cities, factories, military bases, transportation and communications networks, and seats of government. Most nuclear weapons are part of strategic weapons systems. Tactical weapons are designed instead for offensive or defensive use at relatively short range—for example, guided missiles intended as antiaircraft and antitank weapons, or other weapons used in aerial and naval combat. "
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To call a pistol "tactical" seems to mean there might be a "strategic" type of pistol that must be distinguished from the "tactical" pistol.
 
The word tactical comes from tactic. So tactical employment is how you use something. Kind of just mutated to mean things that have value to be employed tactically. BTW A camoflauged rifle is more tactical than a black one. That's why snipers and spec ops paint their weapons. So one could say if your rifle had a reduced siloutte it would be tactical. A black rifle would be tactical because it is nonreflective but not tactical because it still has a definite siloutte.
 
"Strategic weapons strike at ... transportation..."

Strategic Pistol
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And there are times when it is used wholly inappropriately. The Rock Island Armory 1911 comes in a version with an ambidextrous extended thumb safety, a beavertail grip safety and high(er) visibility sights. How do these features make it tactical? :confused::rolleyes:
 
You get tactical by the quad root of something useful ending up then multiplying by stupid and adding the product by the amount of unecessary accessories you just overpaid for. :O


P.S.
Whilst hunting in the lower Arizona area I do wear a drop leg pistol rig on my right side and a left leg rig both of which are extremely convenient.
 
Words change over time....

And then the marketing dept gets ahold of the slang and puts it on everything!

Once upon a time, you had tactical gear. The gear itself wasn't tactical, it was what you wore when you went on a tactical operation (field work requiring the use of tactics). LRRP patrols were tactical. Standing a guard post at a basic training base is not.

The other (and likely biggest boost) to the proliferation of the word, and the black crap that is all the rage today comes from the SWAT teams. Special Weapons And Tactics. Therefore, if it was something that looked like it was used by the SWAT (who wear black ninja looking clothes), then it must be tactical.
 
One of these days, I'd like to go to one of those 3gun matches, the ones that usually turn into a bunch of swat wannabes with tacticool ARs, shotguns with mag tubes longer than the barrel, and pistols so bulked up with gizmos that they make a Mk 23 USSOCOM look like a keltec.

I think I'd take a 1911, an M1 carbine, and a winchester 1897. Maybe I'd dress in green, instead of black, and use canvas instead of nylon gear.

If they're being silly and playing dress up, then I can too, right?

Says the person who's obviously never shot in a 3gun competition in their life...

You know, you wouldn't be able to display your ignorance any more effectively unless you had a giant neon sign, flashing DON'T HAVE A CLUE, welded to your forehead.

An average 3gunner would absolutely smoke the average gunboard poster in almost any form of shooting imaginable. (yes, because we usually know how to shoot accurate slow fire too) And unlike a lot of posers that post crap online, you can see exactly how good we shoot when the match scores are posted.

See, an average gunboard poster can talk all sorts of smack. 3gunners can't, because come next weekend, everybody knows exactly what we can do on demand. And timers don't lie.

And I don't know what kind of matches you're attending, but I don't see any SWAT wannabes, unless they're on a SWAT team. You're not really hurting my feelings by not liking how I dress (and my stuff is mostly brown, because I live in the desert, black gets hot in the sun). In fact I don't think you're capable of hurting my feelings, because I actually know how to shoot.

We tend to utilize our equipment to the best of our abilities while under stress, and equipment includes gear and the carrying of ammunition. I'm sure you would look real professional out there shooting a 24 round shotgun stage and loading out of your pockets. Oh, wait, you've got canvas. I don't have a friggin' clue how that makes you morally superior. Try hemp.

The stuff we slap on our guns works, or we don't win, and when we don't win, we change our stuff. If a hardcore 3gunner has a lot of stuff stuck on his gun, it is because he can use it to dominate over you until you collapse into a pathetic pile of mush with the consistency of mashed potatos.

And I've won 3gun matches with a single stack 1911, a pump 870 with 2 shot magazine extension, and a FAL I built out of spare parts.

And good luck with that .30 Carbine when we're shooting targets from 400-600 meters, bub.

Yep, I'm pretty sick of the word tactical too. Just like has been stated on about 500 other threads on this same exact topic. You know what makes me even sicker though? Listening to the self-righteous make crap up about other bunches of shooters, as if somehow because their stuff is more traditional, that somehow makes them morally superior.

Pretty wood and a nice blue job doesn't make you a good shooter. Being a good shooter makes you a good shooter. I've had a few crusty folks at the range mock my gear while I'm unpacking, because it isn't traditional. They usually stop when I beat them like rented mules, shoot faster, and more accurately than they could ever dream of, and manipulate my gun in a manner that makes them look my arthritic grandma trying to get the lid off of a jar of mayonnaise.

I don't even shoot Open pistol. Those are the guys with "pistols so bulked up with gizmos that they make a Mk 23 USSOCOM look like a keltec". However an Open A class shooter can hit about 5 times as many targets as you can, in about half the time, and reload in the time it takes you to undo the thumbsnap on your basket weave holster. And before you get all huffy, most Open class guys would pummel you just as bad with a regular gun, because we like to shoot those too. (the word for that kind of gun is Limited. Like your imagination).
 
I can't remember where, but a while back I saw some place that was selling "tactical soap."

IIRC, it was a bar of soap that was "matte toned and scentless" :scrutiny:
 
There are those that pretends to be tactical, and some that are really tactical.

GLOCK is my definition of tactical pistol. Anything more is tactical-overload.

OD is excessive.
"Tactical" emblazed all over the slide and name (USP Tactical) is excessive.
Unnecessary slide grips serrations is excessive.

But the term tactical is not all marketing:
1. Matte black don't reflect lights.
2. Night sights for low-light operations.
3. Rail for lazer and light attachments.
 
Tactical=so yesterday
Today=Uber-tactical:scrutiny:
if black = tactical,my first girlfriend was very tactical( in a Madagascar way):cool:
 
I would like to see what strategic clothing, holsters and accessories would look like before I commit to owning a strategic pistol. If it isn't cooler than the tactical stuff, forget it.

Seriously, I hate the over-tacticalization. We have a lot of good gear available now that we didn't have before, but I also think we have attracted a very annoying crowd along with it. Call me elitist, but I don't want to share my space with a SWAT wanna-be.
 
Oh man, I shoot 3 gun in blue jeans and a golf shirt, do I have to quit now? And I had an ulterior motive for putting an extended mag tube on my M2; it gets shot a lot more at quail than it does in 3 gun. I just used 3 gun to make sure it would run right, under pressure, and in a hurry.
 
I don't even shoot Open pistol. Those are the guys with "pistols so bulked up with gizmos that they make a Mk 23 USSOCOM look like a keltec". However an Open A class shooter can hit about 5 times as many targets as you can, in about half the time, and reload in the time it takes you to undo the thumbsnap on your basket weave holster.
'course none of those guns wold work really well as CCW, which is what the average civilian needs in the real world.

Competition and range guns have a lot less compromise to deal with so they can afford a bunch of poky, heavy, catchy stuff hanging off them.

No doubt they can shoot though. I've never shot three gun(I really wish they did that around here), but I have done USPSA. Those red-dot, compensated, huge bell shaped magwell, race guns really clean up. I find it kinda boring to watch while I'm waiting for my turn actually. I'm much more impressed by the guy who shows up with a bone stock Kimber and gets an 80% because he's limited by his 7 round single stack mags. I just prefer shooting with something I can actually carry under my shirt every day, but that's just me. Everyone pays their entrance fee and gets to get what they want out of it.

And before you get all huffy, most Open class guys would pummel you just as bad with a regular gun, because we like to shoot those too. (the word for that kind of gun is Limited. Like your imagination).
Nobody is slamming the shooters, just the gear.
 
I love guns and shooting, and I am new to this sight. I think the "name" is to sell, so more power to the marketting depts. Capitalism rules! As for the moderator getting his/her panties in a wad over a guys opinion, I don't know about "superman" crying like a girl. j/k

BTW, It's just an opinion in fun. I don't shoot professionally, I just shoot for fun. I am, however, a 7th grade school teacher who sees kids act like that post every day.
 
You have to keep in mind much of the cheesy "tactical" stuff caters to airsoft people. It's not actually meant for grown ups but for 13-14 year olds playing airsoft games. It's unfortunate that they lump it in with the real gun stuff, like in the Cheaper Than Dirt catalog for example.
 
Hmm... I shot my one and only three-gun in cargo pants (I think they were tan) and a t-shirt. I shot it with my CCW pistol, in my CCW holster (which has a thumb-break strap) my home-defense AR with A2 irons, and my pump benelli nova. I did ok in it. Everyone was shooting very normal looking pistols, very normal looking shotguns (lots of 870s) and a whole variety of rifles. I think the guy that won it had an AR with an aimpoint. One guy did pretty good with a mini-14.

We weren't shooting to 1k yds either. We had 4 plates at about 125yds at the end of the rifle stage.

Wanna know what the biggest challenge was? It had very little at all to do with gear. They intentionally put the rifle stage (was last) about 100yds from the shotgun stage. Most of us ran pretty hard from shotguns to rifles. So the real challenge was shooting at those plates while breathing hard and your pulse pumping like a bass drum. Space gear wouldn't have overcome that.
 
I suspect Nero has it right.

"Tactical", "space-age", "all-around", "ready-made". "heavy-duty", "all-terrain", NEO-, Hyper-, yadda, yadda - all terms that get so bandied about not only by knowledgeable people but also by hordes of knowledgeable-wannabes, that they become essentially meaningless and often mindless.

:rolleyes:
 
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