Tactically LOGISTICAL!

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Ok, after serious serious consideration; this is what I have "envisioned" for my collection and its growth.

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"Normal Carry ~ Logistics"

I have a Steyr M40, and so I'll probably buy a Steyr S40 for ccw. Magazine compatibility, all use .40SW's. I would like to eventually switch both to .357Sigs, so I can match the ballistics of 125grain 357Mags. That way, expected knockdown power from both my revolvers and semi's are (roughly) the same. I'd shoot 125grain jacketed hollow points for 357Sigs as well as 357Mags.

So a typical "carry" would be open carry with the M40, and ccw with the S40, or just ccw with the S40. All with just one ammo, and compatible magazines.

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"Newbie Logistics"

As far taking a newbie plinking and introducing them to the wonderful world of shooting; I want to teach them on a .22LR in every action, so they learn the mechanics, but don't have to fear the recoil problems. Riflewise, I have a Ruger 10/22, would like to add a 77/22 (same magazines, so logistically good) and I have a Remington 572 pump .22. That's a tube mag, so magazines don't come into play. But all 3 use .22LR's. I have a Ruger 22/45, and so this would be the "newbie" training kit to teach them the different actions available. I'll probably add to it, a Ruger .22LR revolver, as the takedown is the same as my SP101, and same action and feel. So a newbie can learn how a semi-auto rifle, a bolt action rifle, a pump action, a semi-auto pistol (with controls roughly in the same place as a 1911, unlike the Ruger MKII's where the mag release is on the bottom), and a revolver action; how they all work, and all with just one ammo, .22LR. Cheap, flat shooting, no recoil.

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"Cowboy Logistics"

I am planning to buy a Ruger GP100 6", shooting .357Mag's. I have an SP101 2" snubbie in .357Mag. That way, I can open carry a the GP, and ccw the snubbie, all using 357Mags (or 38Spls if need be). Cleaning, takedown, and trigger feel, all the same. If the gf thinks the 6" is too big, maybe buy her a 4" GP100. That way, if she ever wants to "step up" to the 6", same action and trigger feel, and same mechanics.

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"Cowboy +p+ Logistics"

I want an M1Carbine, but don't want to introduce another round to the logistics; and so I would like to get a M1carbine, and get a Smith to convert it to shoot .357Mag's. That way, I can:

Open Carry: Ruger GP100 ~ 357Mag.
CCW Carry: Ruger SP101 ~ .357Mag.
Rifle slung on my back: M1Carbine ~ .357Mag.

With an M1Carbine and 2-4 30rounders on your thighs shooting the same thing as what's on your hip and what you are ccwing.

The other rifle I am hoping to get is a Timberwolf .357Mag pump rifle. If I can't get an M1Carbine converted to 357Mag easily, or if after conversion, it's not very reliable, then I'll go with this. Either way, a rifle slung on you, with the same caliber as what you are wearing. .357Mag is enough to take out most humans, and out of a rifle, absolutely no problems. less then 50 yards, deer becomes an option although I'd like a bigger caliber if it's for hunting.

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"Centerfire Rifle Logistics"

Semi ~ M1A National Match, Iron Sights
Bolt ~ Mauser '98 in .308.

Both use the same ammo, logistically superior. Both use iron sights. That way, no broken glass if dropped, no worries about going out of zero, and no fog, etc... to worry about. My vision is good shooting both out to about 400yards until I lose it; and so anything more then 500 yards... they will probably live... I would like to add a pump action to it. Don't know why Browning stopped making the Browning BPR... I liked it better then the Remington pump as far as looks.

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"Camping logistics"

I haven't worked out the camping logistics yet, but in so-far as I can tell, it will be either the Ruger .22 revolver, or the 22/45 in the holster. Then a Henry Repeating Survival .22LR in the backpack. I probably wouldn't carry a center fire round. Just a .22LR. People say, what about bears etc.. Trust me folks, if you had to shoot a bear with a 9mm, you'd just piss it off. At that point, my 308 bolt might accompany.

But probably a .22LR revolver or semi in the holster, and the survival rifle in the backpack.

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So far, these are the logistics I have worked out. Any other scenerios or flaws in my logistical planning, please let me know.
 
For starters, I think it's so cute the way you're all hung up on "tactics" and "logistics". ;)

Second, when you figure out a way to get 30 rounds of rimmed .357 magnum feeding reliably out of an M1 Carbine magazine designed for 30 rounds of rimless cartridges that are .05" smaller in diameter, let me know.
 
Lendringser
You need to go out and meet some girls, dude.
Don't start about Janie! Her new e-mail address it TacticalJanie at something, and when they pop out little Twoblinks, she wants his first word to be 'tactical' :D

Concealment: P7M8.
Competition: Beretta or 1911.
Carbine: AR15.
HD: Benelli.
Training: .22 Conversions for Beretta, 1911 and AR15.
My SOE rig will fit 1911 or Beretta mags, .223, .308 or 12ga shotshells.

Just 5 calibers to stock.

I love talking logistics with 'blink but methinks he thinks too hard. :D
 
Skunk,

I love talking logistics with 'blink...

Why? Y'all plannin' on needin' to equip the Third Horde on your splurge money budget?

Since I am not the quartermaster of a 50,000+ man unit, I worry about having enough ammo on hand to fit my fighting guns, and coordinating with those I may be likely to fight with.

Fun guns, OTOH, does it really matter what caliber they are? You only need to keep 50-100 rounds on hand at any given time for them, and the "logistics" ( :rolleyes: ) are as simple as walking up to the man at the gun store and saying "Good sir, I would like to purchase two boxes of 6.5 Swede, please." ;)
 
In a SHTF scenario, wouldn't it be more advantageous to have guns in as many calibers as possible? That way, when the inevitable ammo shortages set in, you'll always be able to use what you find.

No SHTF arsenal is complete without something chambered in .577-450 Martini-Henry or 11mm Swiss Rimfire...because if a box of those is all that's left at the gun store, aren't you going to feel like a chump if you don't have hardware for it?
 
Tamara,
Why? Y'all plannin' on needin' to equip the Third Horde on your splurge money budget?

No, but I like to hear Twoblink keep telling me how AR15s are an inferior choice becuase of how many parts they have :D

Fun guns, OTOH, does it really matter what caliber they are? You only need to keep 50-100 rounds on hand at any given time for them, and the "logistics"

YES! I buy in bulk, save on shipping and go through lots and lots of the same caliber in a given month. And ammo choice is important to me because of $$$! I can't even afford soda!
 
No Such Thing As Too Many Guns!

Hello, it's always entertaining reading the tactical threads!
Actually Skunk, why a 12gauge when you already have an AR-15?
Need I list the many advantages of the AR over the bird guns?
 
Skunk,

YES! I buy in bulk, save on shipping and go through lots and lots of the same caliber in a given month. And ammo choice is important to me because of $$$! I can't even afford soda!

I buy .308, .223, .45 and .357 in bulk.

Why should I buy 7.7 Jap and .577-450 Martini-Henry in bulk?
 
First, I have to work out the "tactical logistics" as it applies to myself first. Then I'll work on the girlfriend's logistics..

Yep, she says after watching Skunk's little video, she wants our kid's first word to be "tactical". hehehe...

From the catalogs, she seems to like revolvers, she thinks they look better then semi's, which means I've got me a cowgirl on my hands... reehaw!!

Tamara... You should be DEAD before you run out of ammo... yes? If all I have is rifles that digest 308's, then I can stock up on 308 and not worry about it; any large caliber rifle I grab WILL be in 308. In a SHTF scenerio, simplified logistics makes it easier..

So what if WWIII came to my backyard and only 7.7Jap was left in the gun store, and I have nothing to shoot that? Tamara does though, and so her view of logistics would thus prove superior..

Except I believe that while first rule of a gun fight is HAVE A GUN; I believe rule #0 of a gun fight, is to make sure you have or can get the ammo for the gun you are about to have for rule number 1.

lendringser


That way, when the inevitable ammo shortages set in, you'll always be able to use what you find.

Hmm.. boy scouts motto; always be prepared. So if there is a shortage, you didn't stock up enough ammo!! Also, when there's a shortage, Tamara will have bought the 7.7Jap, of which the store only kept one box anyways, and so I see your theory, and I raise you $5. :p

Since I am not the quartermaster of a 50,000+ man unit, I worry about having enough ammo on hand to fit my fighting guns, and coordinating with those I may be likely to fight with.

Tamara, have you SEEN the size of Skunk's fire extinguisher?? Do you know what his apartment looks like? If you did, and you read his questions, you'd think he was in charge of the Fifth Infantry division... But just because you aren't, isn't an excuse for poor logistics, or lack of good planning right??

I plan like a quartermaster, just in case God forbid I ever become one, I don't have to redo the logistics.

If I have my Steyr M40 on me, and it breaks, I can pick up the S40 and stuff the M40's magazine in it, and fire away. I can't do that with an HK USP and HKUSPc. Is that a serious problem? Probably not. Something I'll encounter in my lifetime? Probably not, but if it does happen, I'd rather be prepared..

Err... I mean overly prepared..

I don't like lever actions, I can't work them well or reliably..
 
twoblink,

If all I have is rifles that digest 308's, then I can stock up on 308 and not worry about it; any large caliber rifle I grab WILL be in 308.

You're right!

In a "SHTF" scenario (which is, of course, what I plan my entire life around) I might accidentally grab the Martini-Henry off the wall instead of the loaded HK91, and the Martini won't take the loaded HK91 mags I keep lying around. D'oh!

:rolleyes: ;)
 
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"Normal Carry ~ Logistics"
1911, and a compact 1911. Uses 45ACP in the standard magazines, and you can use it on the commander size or ultra compact size.
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"Newbie Logistics"
Ruger 10/22, and a 22LR conversion for the 1911. Unfortunately, you can't reuse the magazines you already have for the 1911 for either one.
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"Cowboy Logistics"
Ruger Blackhawk Convertible, shoots a 45 Colt bullet, or with the swap of the included cylinder, 45ACP out of the same gun. You still get to use the 45ACP ammo in case you happen to drop all of your 1911 mags during a speed reload and decided that leaving the area is the better part of valor. Also, if you cast, you can still use your 45 molds to feed both the 45ACP and the 45Colt
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"Cowboy +p+ Logistics"
Rossi Puma M92 in 454Casull. Will also use 45Colt. Again, you have a steady supply of bullets to use with, and you get the +P-ness of the 454Casull
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"Centerfire Rifle Logistics"
M1A, Rem 700, both in 308Win. One cartridge that can do a lot. Besides, if you ever need 45ACP cases, you could always cut down 308Win brass to make them.
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"Camping logistics"
Ruger 10/22 with the Butler Creek take-down kit. Separates the barrel from the receiver, for a smaller more packable 22LR.
 
Seconds on the my brain done'sploded. Ouch.

Look, buy guns, buy ammo, buy kydex,mags, nylon and leather for them. Repeat. There's your logistics.

Good tactics would be to get back to the USA so you can cure that case of blue trigger finger you got.

Tam, Fun guns? I thought we were all Seig Heiling along to the fact that all guns were designed for killing and that was always their primary purpose around here. ;)

With that in mind I've laid in a 120rd ammo cache for my tactically correct Type 38 Sportisaka sniper rifle. (Non Sequiter alarm!) Actually got to look at a 20rd clip of 7.7 for whatever Nambu machinegun that used them yesterday. In the same day local pawn shop had a de-miled version of the top mag stuffer Nambu, I wanted it for a wall hangar, but that's what they wanted it for. :banghead:

I don't have a HK91, but when the blue tinfoil police are hovering(in black hovercraft of course) outside my door I can always stuff a .308 in my Arisaka after my M-1A, M-1, AR, etc break. Mike sez it will work fantastic.
 
I'm still trying to figure out why owning guns in 7.5 Swiss somehow precludes me from buying .308 in logistical case lots... :confused:


;) :p
 
I might accidentally grab the Martini-Henry off the wall instead of the loaded HK91, and the Martini won't take the loaded HK91 mags I keep lying around. D'oh!

"Tamara ain't coming back."

"What?"

"She didn't take the HK91"

:D
 
SHTF, forget the rifles... Bring Tamara!!

Navy Joe,

I had a detailed spreadsheet done before I was even a gun owner!! Sick huh?
 
I got this package at work and couldn't resist....

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Did someone say Jap? LoL

Concealment: 11-87
Competition: 11-87
Carbine: 11-87
HD: 11-87
Training: Counter strike

wax on wax off:D
 
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