Talk Me Out Of A Beretta 92FS
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Ala Dan
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Why Would I Want To Talk You Out Of A Beretta 92FS?
as I sell quite a few of them locally.
They are some excellent weapons
and in many cases our local LEO's actually prefer them over Glocks, SIG's,
and H&K's. Once upon a time, I had a 92FS Centurion model that was a
darn fine firearm; but I could not shoot it worth a hoot. I think the grip
was rather large and I never felt real comfortable with it? But, as far as
reliability, it was a surperb firearm; and its ashamed that Beretta made
the decision to drop this model from their line.
as I sell quite a few of them locally.
They are some excellent weaponsand in many cases our local LEO's actually prefer them over Glocks, SIG's,
and H&K's. Once upon a time, I had a 92FS Centurion model that was a
darn fine firearm; but I could not shoot it worth a hoot. I think the grip
was rather large and I never felt real comfortable with it? But, as far as
reliability, it was a surperb firearm; and its ashamed that Beretta made
the decision to drop this model from their line.
OK, here goes.
The first DA trigger pull is WAAAAAAAAAAY too long.
The operation of the safety/decocker and location are my very least favorite way to do this. First, they put it all in the slide. Second, the safety is opposite the 'correct' Amurican way -- it should be fire down, not up. Third, I never could understand the point of having both a DA/SA with a de-cocker AND a safety -- just seems to me to get in the way.
I have a nice 92fs and will keep it. It is a great range gun for blazing away with, is highly reliable, accurate, soft shooter, etc.
But I think there are 9mm handguns that have a much more logical operation, such as SIG if you like DA/SA, or BHP or 1911 if you like SA only.
The first DA trigger pull is WAAAAAAAAAAY too long.
The operation of the safety/decocker and location are my very least favorite way to do this. First, they put it all in the slide. Second, the safety is opposite the 'correct' Amurican way -- it should be fire down, not up. Third, I never could understand the point of having both a DA/SA with a de-cocker AND a safety -- just seems to me to get in the way.
I have a nice 92fs and will keep it. It is a great range gun for blazing away with, is highly reliable, accurate, soft shooter, etc.
But I think there are 9mm handguns that have a much more logical operation, such as SIG if you like DA/SA, or BHP or 1911 if you like SA only.
trey gil
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Sounds like no one has agreed with me on this (at least not yet) but I like the fact that my Beretta has the slide mounted safety (it's an ambi saftey at that which is good news for a lefty shooter). To me the saftey is a plus and not a minus.
Can't find anything wrong with a Beretta 92FS (or 96)! Sorry!
Can't find anything wrong with a Beretta 92FS (or 96)! Sorry!
Nazirite
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I’ve got a Berreta 96 and the only thing I don’t like about it is the trigger. Actually I hate the trigger but I plan on getting that fixed.
Black Snowman
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I like the 92FS fine, I like the CZ 75 better. YMMV and all that.
Island Beretta
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Okay let me give it a shot at talking you out of it..
1. it's a total POS..
2. it's slide can come off and hit you in the face..
3. it only won the US Military contract because the Italians promised America that they would allow them to use Italian airbase. ..
All the other countries where it 'won' trials was due to these countries just wanting to follow America e.g. Irish SAS.
4. It is too bulky..
5. It is too heavy..
6. The locking block fails..
7. For a 18 shot gun it is too big for 9mm..
8. it's competitive advantage is that it swings good..very effective as a club..
9. If your opponent gets too close to it they can pull its slide off..
10. It is so clumsy to reload that it is better you carry another one (New York reload) and use that when the first one runs dry, that is if it manages to fire out all the rounds in its magazine or if the slide comes off or something.. anything..you never now with these POS..
11. It doesn't fire submachine rounds very well..
12. you couldn't hit the side of a barn with it..
phew, I am running out of breath, have I talked you out of it yet
13. It's grip is so fat that most people cannot hold on to it..
14. It cannot fire in sand as sand quickly penetrates its interior due to the open slide design..nevermind the Helwann clone that the Iraqis carried in the sandy environment for years, they never really fired them..
15. okay, this one is new.. it is too muzzle light (got this one right here)..
16. When shooters using Beretta wins competitions, it is solely the shooter and not the gun..however if it was a 1911 then it would have been the other way round..David Olhasso next Florida Open shoot a Sig or a H&K and show them...
panting, panting, tired, can't go on, I hope I have managed to talk you out of it.. if not, I concede defeat!! :banghead:
1. it's a total POS..
2. it's slide can come off and hit you in the face..
3. it only won the US Military contract because the Italians promised America that they would allow them to use Italian airbase. ..
All the other countries where it 'won' trials was due to these countries just wanting to follow America e.g. Irish SAS.
4. It is too bulky..
5. It is too heavy..
6. The locking block fails..
7. For a 18 shot gun it is too big for 9mm..
8. it's competitive advantage is that it swings good..very effective as a club..
9. If your opponent gets too close to it they can pull its slide off..
10. It is so clumsy to reload that it is better you carry another one (New York reload) and use that when the first one runs dry, that is if it manages to fire out all the rounds in its magazine or if the slide comes off or something.. anything..you never now with these POS..
11. It doesn't fire submachine rounds very well..
12. you couldn't hit the side of a barn with it..
phew, I am running out of breath, have I talked you out of it yet
13. It's grip is so fat that most people cannot hold on to it..
14. It cannot fire in sand as sand quickly penetrates its interior due to the open slide design..nevermind the Helwann clone that the Iraqis carried in the sandy environment for years, they never really fired them..
15. okay, this one is new.. it is too muzzle light (got this one right here)..
16. When shooters using Beretta wins competitions, it is solely the shooter and not the gun..however if it was a 1911 then it would have been the other way round..David Olhasso next Florida Open shoot a Sig or a H&K and show them...
panting, panting, tired, can't go on, I hope I have managed to talk you out of it.. if not, I concede defeat!! :banghead:
Mikul
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I get to see 60 students come through classes every year. About 5 Berettas are in that batch. Over the past 3 years, there has only been one that didn't fail of it's own accord. That's enough for me.
Aside from it's volume, the trigger is pretty crazy: long in double action and painfully short when pulled fully to the rear. I have long fingers, but the 92 is the only full-sized gun I can pull with the middle knuckle on my trigger finger.
Perhaps it isn't important, but for as common as this gun is, I can't find a single professional who extolls it's virtues... and several who voice their displeasure.
It's on my "Do Not Buy" list. What do I know? So is the 1911.
It's not dangerous and will work more than it doesn't, so it makes a fine fun gun if you've always wanted one. There even seems to be a chance that you'll get a good one.
Aside from it's volume, the trigger is pretty crazy: long in double action and painfully short when pulled fully to the rear. I have long fingers, but the 92 is the only full-sized gun I can pull with the middle knuckle on my trigger finger.
Perhaps it isn't important, but for as common as this gun is, I can't find a single professional who extolls it's virtues... and several who voice their displeasure.
It's on my "Do Not Buy" list. What do I know? So is the 1911.
It's not dangerous and will work more than it doesn't, so it makes a fine fun gun if you've always wanted one. There even seems to be a chance that you'll get a good one.
I have a stainless 92FS and love it. Most new shooters I introduce to the sport like my 92 over my GLOCKs, SIGs, HKs, Walthers, etc. They say it is a soft shooting pistol that feels nice in their hands. They do say it is huge, though.
Don't let people on this board BS you about locking blocks; they obviously have little to no experience with Berettas. It surprises me how many folks can bash the Beretta, whining about locking block failures, yet a lot of them are die-hard GLOCK fans. GLOCK fans should understand the effect of the rumor mill, with the kB! craze and all. Sometimes I think they do it to divert the GLOCK bashing.
Don't let people on this board BS you about locking blocks; they obviously have little to no experience with Berettas. It surprises me how many folks can bash the Beretta, whining about locking block failures, yet a lot of them are die-hard GLOCK fans. GLOCK fans should understand the effect of the rumor mill, with the kB! craze and all. Sometimes I think they do it to divert the GLOCK bashing.
BerettaNut92
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OK.
Get a 92G Elite, Elite II, Elite IA or G-SD instead.
DESERTRATONE
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92fs
I've shot and owned several Beretta 92's and 96's for years. I still own a Inox 92FS made in 1998. It is the best one I have owned. I have never had a problem with any of the pistols. I don't know where all these folks get their opinions of the Beretta 92FS. Most likely rumers,,,not first hand experience. If it fits your hand, buy it.
I've shot and owned several Beretta 92's and 96's for years. I still own a Inox 92FS made in 1998. It is the best one I have owned. I have never had a problem with any of the pistols. I don't know where all these folks get their opinions of the Beretta 92FS. Most likely rumers,,,not first hand experience. If it fits your hand, buy it.
SpaceCowboy
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Get one. I have an elite II and love it. Very accurate (especially with my own loads), looks great, I am small but I don't find it to be THAT large of a weapon. I bought it used and have had no problems that can not be attributed to my own poor loadings. As far as the trigger goes, replace the mainspring with a 1911 one or one of wolff's; beretta is even selling them now. Cuts the poundage in half. Great pistol. When I left for school(living on my own in a new and unknown place) I only took three guns with me-- one of them was my elite II.
Longbow
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My claim about the locking block breaking is first hand. It was a rental gun at my local range.
Longbow
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Edited for double post.
carebear
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I find,
The gun is big and bulky compared to its caliber, it is size and weight inefficient, especially but not limited to, for CCW, it was designed as an open holster carry service pistol.
I have normal palms but short fingers, the grip is far too big in circumference compared to the magazine size (again, inefficient design) and the DA trigger reach is too long. This is a problem for many smaller statured persons issued the gun and requires them to use an improper grip.
The safety is not as ergonomically placed and the operation is opposite from most pistols sold in this country.
The trigger is loooong and not particularly crisp at the end. Sure it isn't "bad" but it isn't "good" either, so it can hardly be considered a selling point.
For me, it's mostly the size thing. Why is anyone still making a pistol larger than the old style .45's when we can fit 15 rounds of 9mm in a smaller, lighter package? Heck, we can fit 9mm in pistols you can hang under your tie, why carry this behemoth?
The gun is big and bulky compared to its caliber, it is size and weight inefficient, especially but not limited to, for CCW, it was designed as an open holster carry service pistol.
I have normal palms but short fingers, the grip is far too big in circumference compared to the magazine size (again, inefficient design) and the DA trigger reach is too long. This is a problem for many smaller statured persons issued the gun and requires them to use an improper grip.
The safety is not as ergonomically placed and the operation is opposite from most pistols sold in this country.
The trigger is loooong and not particularly crisp at the end. Sure it isn't "bad" but it isn't "good" either, so it can hardly be considered a selling point.
For me, it's mostly the size thing. Why is anyone still making a pistol larger than the old style .45's when we can fit 15 rounds of 9mm in a smaller, lighter package? Heck, we can fit 9mm in pistols you can hang under your tie, why carry this behemoth?
one45auto
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Forget the Beretta and get yourself a Glock 19. You'll thank me later.
Being in the military and having good fortune to be posted most of that time with an M9 as my T/O weapon I can say I have some decent experience with the handling characteristics of this gun. I carried this gun almost everyday for my first 2 years of active duty from 98 to 2000. After I left the grunts in late 2001 I got to have one again and I have carried one everywhere I have been that has called for it. Currently I carry one everysingle day and I carry it concealed at that. I either wear it in Fobus or a Blackhawk inside-the-pants. I have fired somewhere close to 300,000 rounds through this gun and I have personally cracked a locking block on one during a training exercise. other than its size I can't honestly give a reason for someone not to own one of these unless you just plain out don't like it. The gun has no more problems than any other gun ever made, but at the same time it probably doesn't have any less either.
I don't know how anyone can complain about the accuracy of this thing when I have personally fired 15 shot groups at 25 yds at 2in.
The safety is designed the way it is for a very distinct purpose. When holstered and on safe the safety is in the down position. When you reach down with your strong hand to unholster the gun, you easily and naturally flip the safety into the fire position with the thumb of your hand as it moves into its proper position and you pull the pistol from the holster.
I have fired this gun when it was extremely dirty and very rarely have I ever encountered failures. Any failure I am usually able to attribute to dirty mags or an extremely dirty weapon (you must remember I'm talking dirt/sand and trying to fire hundreds of rounds without cleaning)
the trigger pull at times does leave a little to be desired as far as the military side of the house goes but an extreme amount of rounds has to be fired for this to be a problem for me. At a training evolution I was participating in we were firing 1200 to 1500 rounds a day and my finger just got plain worn out and a blister formed probably due to the heavy long DA trigger pull. Made the 1200 rounds the next day rather painful even with a band-aid on.
There are a lot of great guns out there including Sigs, Glocks, CZs, and 1911s. people can naysay all they want but the 92 is in the same league everywhere as these guns except for concealed carry.
Would I buy one for myself? Probabably not, just for the simple fact that I don't have a use for a large 9mm. If I'm carrying a 9mm I don't want everyone to know it and that can be hard with the 92 even though it is possible.
If you want a CCW I would suggest somehting like the 24/7 from taurus, you get the thumb safety, a much lighter gun and more mag capacity.
I don't know how anyone can complain about the accuracy of this thing when I have personally fired 15 shot groups at 25 yds at 2in.
The safety is designed the way it is for a very distinct purpose. When holstered and on safe the safety is in the down position. When you reach down with your strong hand to unholster the gun, you easily and naturally flip the safety into the fire position with the thumb of your hand as it moves into its proper position and you pull the pistol from the holster.
I have fired this gun when it was extremely dirty and very rarely have I ever encountered failures. Any failure I am usually able to attribute to dirty mags or an extremely dirty weapon (you must remember I'm talking dirt/sand and trying to fire hundreds of rounds without cleaning)
the trigger pull at times does leave a little to be desired as far as the military side of the house goes but an extreme amount of rounds has to be fired for this to be a problem for me. At a training evolution I was participating in we were firing 1200 to 1500 rounds a day and my finger just got plain worn out and a blister formed probably due to the heavy long DA trigger pull. Made the 1200 rounds the next day rather painful even with a band-aid on.
There are a lot of great guns out there including Sigs, Glocks, CZs, and 1911s. people can naysay all they want but the 92 is in the same league everywhere as these guns except for concealed carry.
Would I buy one for myself? Probabably not, just for the simple fact that I don't have a use for a large 9mm. If I'm carrying a 9mm I don't want everyone to know it and that can be hard with the 92 even though it is possible.
If you want a CCW I would suggest somehting like the 24/7 from taurus, you get the thumb safety, a much lighter gun and more mag capacity.
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I think the 92 FS is great. However I can't stand slide mounted safeties as it seems awkward to push "up" for fire while I'm drawing. The Taurus PT92 is virtually the same gun with the safey mounted on the frame operating in the opposite manner as above. The only caveat is that the magazines don't swap between the guns...just another dumb assed move on sombody's part. Other than the mag issue it works great for me. Somebody mentioned that it's too big for CCW. It has an alloy frame which makes it very comfortable in terms of weight. Personally I don't like super small guns since I can't hit nearly as well with them and I figure if I have to shoot defensively, the ensuing lawsuit will go better if the other guy is dead! I like the cheap ammo and the long sight radius. No reason not to own one!
brickboy240
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Chunky, big huge grip.
Pick up a Hi-Power or CZ-75 and you won't want a 92 Beretta.
I traded my 92F for a belgian Hi-Power years ago and have NEVER regretted the trade. I think the Hi-Power is the best 9mm hands down.
-Brickboy240
Pick up a Hi-Power or CZ-75 and you won't want a 92 Beretta.
I traded my 92F for a belgian Hi-Power years ago and have NEVER regretted the trade. I think the Hi-Power is the best 9mm hands down.
-Brickboy240
No way - Go for it!
The 92 is a beautiful piece, shoots great and is r CCW reliable. Additionally, it has earned a place in American gunlore by virtue of its widespread use and acceptance in the law enforcement, military and civilian worlds. IMHO, any contemporary gun collection would be incomplete without it. You won't regret the purchase. Good luck!
The 92 is a beautiful piece, shoots great and is r CCW reliable. Additionally, it has earned a place in American gunlore by virtue of its widespread use and acceptance in the law enforcement, military and civilian worlds. IMHO, any contemporary gun collection would be incomplete without it. You won't regret the purchase. Good luck!
Ivy Mike
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Argument for: Good quality and solid design.
Argument Against: CZ75B (or variants) costs less and functions bettuh. Ain't as fat or bulky either.
Then again, I do already own a CZ75B so I might be a wee bit biased.
Argument Against: CZ75B (or variants) costs less and functions bettuh. Ain't as fat or bulky either.
Then again, I do already own a CZ75B so I might be a wee bit biased.
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