Target shooting starting fires

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In light of the news reports that people target shooting and hitting a rock with a bullet sparking a wildfire in Utah.:banghead: This is not good publicity for firearms users collectively. Tell me what you do to help prevent these problems from occurring when you are shooting. Personally I do not shoot tracers/steel core in the woods or grassy areas, I will only use them in places that have dirt banks such as gravel pits with no combustible materials other than targets in/near the bullet impact area. Also I always carry 2 smallish sized dry chem fire extinguishers in my vehicle anyway so I get them out as a precaution if needed. On that note I Like to shoot with at least one other person and keep my cell phone on me and fully charged in case of any problems. When the conditions are as dry as some local areas are experiencing presently it demands extra vigilance to prevent these disasters from happening. The reports I have read did not specifically say anything about the ammo used but I would believe that steel core bullets would cause sparks when a rock is hit. This has happened to me in the past but fortunately never caused problems. I have never had sparks with standard jacketed lead ammo myself, have any of you had this happen to you??

Rats did a search and didn't see the other post first.:(
 
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i've seen fires started started by jacketed bullets without steel cores. A bullet that strikes the ground and comes to rest or richochets is hot. Much of the grass in Utah, NV and northern CA is invasive cheat grass. Cheat grass has a reverse life cycle, it grows in the winter and dies in the spring. Its extremely flammable.

http://www.onlinenevada.org/cheatgrass
 
I have shot hundreds of thousands of rounds but have only started a handfull of fires and those were intentional. Even API or incendiary traced rounds out of my 50 bmg won't reliably set fires. Story sounds kin to the government telling us 90% of the drug cartels in Mexico are using American guns, then we find out the only reason they know the exact figure is because they are the supply.

If I watched it on the news at night I'd have to look close for the model rocket engines down range like 20/20 used when they "exposed" the dangers of Chevy truck gas tanks....
 
The reports state that the actual shooters that started the fire called in to report it. Good for them for being responsible and reporting it. I wonder if they had the resources to attempt to put it out when it started before it got out of hand in the first place?
 
I started one once with copper-jacketed 8mm ammo out in the desert. We were shooting into a hillside, and I looked down to change a magazine and when I looked back up there was smoke coming out of my target area. Aah! My two shooting buddies and I ended up running up the hill first with water bottles, then with the ~5 gallon water fire extinguisher we kept in one of the trucks, then with the icewater left in our cooler, and finally with an entrenching tool. We got it safely extinguished (we stayed to watch for embers for about 30 minutes after it was all visibly put out), but it pretty much killed what had been a fun day of shooting. We were really lucky the spot had only sparse scrub - if it had been grass there's no way we could have contained it.

My solution now is to only shoot at cleared areas with no vegetation at all, at least during the summer.
 
A couple of years ago there was a good sized wild fire on camp Gurnsey aptly named the "Tracer Fire". Camp Gurnsey has their own wild land fire engines stand by during live fire training.

I have been involved with wild land fire suppression since 1986. It is my understanding a fire caused by conventional ammo is very rare indeed. I think one would be more apt to start a fire from dry vegetation around their catalytic converter. I always carry an extinguisher and a shovel.
 
They've forbidden shooting in the canyons we usually shoot in around here for the summer to avoid a repeat performance of the fires we had last year.

Even though none of them were started by shooters. :D
 
We started one when shooting a little Coleman's propane tank with an incideary 7.62x39. Luckily some left a pizza box where we were so we used that and our Gatorade to put it out.
 
While using bowling pins for targets one burst into flames when a bullet struck the pin a glancing blow to the side.
 
I am from Georgia. So it sounds kind of weird to me that you guys managed to burn down a .... desert.
 
Balrog - Arizona is not the Sahara. :D There are forests, and mountains, and meadows, and so forth. Even the lowlands are covered in scrub more than not.

Sure, everything that grows here has thorns, just about, but stuff does grow here.

Besides, I've been to Atlanta. More water and green than a desert kid could handle, that's for sure!
 
When cheat grass goes up, it goes up like gasoline, I was very surprised how fast and hot it burns.
There's a Hell there boy. You can't hardly get up in front of it or to the side of it to combat it and if you try to get behind it to stay outa the heat you can't keep up even at a run if there's any kinda wind.
 
Not surprisingly, though causing a major fire in this way is extremely rare, the talking heads were quick to ask idiotic questions about why people "need" to shoot guns. When that question occurred at a gathering I attended yesterday, I responded, "Why do people need to go camping?" Also not a surprise, the woman didn't get it.
 
...why people "need" to shoot guns?

I probably "need" to shoot guns for the same reason they may "need" to beat up the world with their own possibly abusive consumerism/activities - 'cause I want to and it's legal.
 
ApacheCoTodd said:
"'cause I want to and it's legal."

That is probably the worst answer you could give anyone. When you say something like that the first thing that comes into people's minds is that it being legal needs to change. In fact someone not even thinking in terms of legal and illegal but just not approving of an activity is suddenly thinking in terms of legality in putting a stop to the activity.
You just focused their attention on the way they actually can impact you.
Turning someone that probably wouldn't have been a threat to your ability to do that activity into someone that may well be part of why you won't be able to do it in the future.
You are essentially organizing your own opposition into people thinking in terms of legislatively changing your ability to do that activity with restrictions or laws, rather than just disapproving or not understanding the activity.



Rather commenting that people don't need to camp either demonstrates that people doing things is what causes risk, and for there to be no risk you would have to have people not doing anything unnecessary, like camping, shooting, etc.





Hot bullets after impacting a surface can cause fires. It is rare but when metal is rapidly deformed a lot of heat is generated, and if it then lands in the perfect spot the high temperature can cause ignition.
It is rare, but when you have enough people doing an activity, the round count adds up and rare happens.
The best way to avoid it is to shoot in places without fuel, and into a backstop. If there is small amounts of fuel at the backstop one needs to insure there is enough clearance around it that it would not spread.

Now steel ammo, and even shooting steel objects (not purpose made steel targets generally) thin enough to punch holes in with regular ammo sends pieces of metal with a high propensity to spark when it strikes hard surfaces and rocks. This cause of ignition is more common because rather than relying on the bullet to be hot enough to cause ignition on vegetation it lands on, it instead just relies on a spark to begin the fire, and so the high temperatures of auto-ignition are not needed.
Steel ammo is the most obvious source, but shooting at hard steel or metal objects that you can punch holes in amounts to something similar. It still results in pieces of steel flying away from the target at high speeds.
Shooters shooting at appliances, and other junk (computer components for example) with thin metal pieces can certainly cause fires if not done in a safe spot.
(Although the trash some leave behind is more likely to result in shooting restrictions than fires are.)

Sparks from hard metal impacting rocks is not rare, and while most bullets are not made of such material many pieces of hard trash targets that will fly off at high velocity are.
In fact you can get it to happen every time if you get the angle right.
I remember shooting BBs primarily made of iron/steel from a BB gun at night on flat cement in a safe area (they will all ricochet and may be dangerous) and every single one would spark within the right angle, creating quite a visible demonstration from even a low velocity and mass projectile.
Obviously something of greater mass and velocity will cause even more particles of metal to fly off as sparks. Showering something in sparks that is dry and thin can easily lead to a fire.
It is a concern beyond just target shooters:
I bet steel shot from shotguns for example creates a bunch of sparks when they impact rocks at much higher velocities than a cheap bb gun created (though not likely visible in daylight hunting.)
I can just imagine the shower of sparks shooting cement at an angle with steel shot would create.
 
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