Taurus 9MM Snubby

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I see that the new Taurus Model 905 in 9MM is available at some gun shops.
I have read that the 9MM launches really well out of short barreled weapons, i.e. the Taurus with a 2" bbl. I have also read and been told by a knowledgable police dept armoror that the .357Magnum doesn't do well out of short bbl guns, make no mistake about it the .357mag is plenty powerful regardless of bbl configuration but most of the powder charge is waisted resulting in a loud blast and large fireball when fired from a 2" bbl. He claims the .357 Mag was originally designed for bbl's 4" to 6" and above and won't get close to it's full potential fired from a 2"bbl. His thoughts are that it's not much more powerful, ballistically, than a .38Spl+P when fired from a 2" bbl at short range (7 yards).
It seems to this old man that the .38Spl+P leaves a tiny bit to be desired for personal defense and I know first hand that a .357Mag fired in an Air Weight such as my 12 ounce S&W 340PD is very comfortable to carry but uncomfortable to shoot well and often enough to become personal defense proficient. Therefore, it would seem to me that a 9MM revo in a 2"bbl would bridge the gap perfectly. Anyone seen any 9MM, .38Spl+P and .357Magnum ballistic comparisons? I think most info charts like the one on www.cor-bon.com show figures of velocity and energy when fired from longer bbl'd weapons. I would like to know about velocity and energy statistics of these three calibers fired from a 2" bbl'd weapon measured at ,say, seven yards which I believe is the generally accepted combat range distance.
Anyone seen any comparison like this?
Also a closing thought, I realize that S&W and Ruger (I'm sure others as well) used to make 9MM revos but discontinued them. Was it because of the "Moon" clips? Are they really a nuisance?
 
I have seen ballistic reports comparing the 38 spec, 9mm, and 357 from 2" snubs and the 9mm is closer to the 357 but is still between the two. The 9mm is a more efficient cartridge that works at a higher pressure and burns it's powder charge within the short barrel.

A 2 inch snubbie is about the equivalent of a 3.5 inch auto. the auto barrel includes the chamber and the snubbie barrel is measured after the cylinder.

If you add the snubbie barrel and the cylinder, 2" + 1.5 = 3.5


The demise of the 9mm revolver was the rise of the blundernines of the 80's, but I would have thought a small revolver in 9mm would be an ideal BUG.

I have a S&W 940 and it is my always gun. The moon clips are kind of a pain but they make reloads very quick.
Some folks have had ejector problems with 9mms in revo's but find the brand that works and stick with it.
 
Speer Reloading Manual 13th ed pg 444 has a table for .357 mag and various arms from 2.5 to 24" for 125, 140, and 158 gr loads. I have looked for the same data for .38 spl and am still looking. 125 gr loads that average 1365 fps for 6 assorted 4" bbl firearms come in at 1190 and 1209 from two different 2" S&W Mod 19's, 1205 from a 2.5" Colt Python, and 1233 from a Ruger Security Six. I don't see how these would be deemed ineffective. Anybody have other data?
 
I finally got to shoot mine last week. It really is an outstanding piece. Recoil is very managable. Trigger was surprisingly smooth (double action only version). I really enjoy firing it. Another bonus of the snubby 9mm: the extractor rod is long enough to fully eject 9mm casings.
 
Well, you don't "need" them to shoot. You need them to eject using the extractor. There is a lip inside the cylinder which I believe catches the brass so your round doesn't fall through. However, since the round has nothing for the extractor start to catch on, if you do not use moonclips, you need to pull each one out by hand. It isn't hard, it just takes a little longer.
 
Thanks MJRW, I was secretly hoping Taurus did some modification to where moonclips were not needed, but it sounds like they would help.
 
Does a 9mm snubby have alot of recoil? I've heard that they do.
 
No, the recoil is surprisingly mild. It is some cross between that 9mm-snap and the .45-push as far as how it feels. It isn't unpleasant at all. I find it far more managable than a Glock 23.
 
Yes, there is a major loss. It seems obvious one would consider it when considering a very short barrel for the cartridge.
Some more nos.

COLT King Cobra .. 2 1/2" ....... 8"
357 Magnum
Rem. SJSP 125........1295 .......1685
Win. HP 110............1241 .......1524

38 Special
Fed. SWHP 125........774 ..........969
Fed. HP 110..............894 .......1064
Rem. WC 148............658 .........716
 
No Free Lunch

Yes, but... 9mm kicks pretty hard in a snubby, also. I have a Stainless Steel Model 940 that kicks about like a 357 Magnum in the same pkg. YMMV
 
Sure it'll kick the same. If you launch a given weight bullet at a given speed from a given platform, the "kick" is gonna be about the same no matter what the headstamp says. 124 grain 9mm+P and 125 grain .357 magnum have very similar velocity from 2" revolvers, so they will produce similar felt recoil.
 
Can't account for the physics of it, but my departed (but not dear) 940 didn't seem to recoil nearly as badly as did my SP101 in .357, even with CorBon ammo. If the damned thing would have turned loose of the fired cases without the use of a croquet mallet, I'd still have it.:mad: I'm even CONSIDERING a (gasp) Taurus 905.
 
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