Taurus claims?
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I say the RIA/Citadel/armscor offerings are as much if not more for the money (based on local prices) and they take more standard parts.
If you think the FLGR, ambi silliness, extra serrations, and other add-ons that Taurus slaps on are actually worth money, then enjoy your "custom" gun.
I do know that every time I hear a real-world price from someone who bought a Taurus, I wince and have to carefully not say anything. If prices in your area (or in your haggle-zone) are well below MSRP on the Taurus website, then perhaps they are a good buy.
And "alot" is not a word
If you think the FLGR, ambi silliness, extra serrations, and other add-ons that Taurus slaps on are actually worth money, then enjoy your "custom" gun.
I do know that every time I hear a real-world price from someone who bought a Taurus, I wince and have to carefully not say anything. If prices in your area (or in your haggle-zone) are well below MSRP on the Taurus website, then perhaps they are a good buy.
And "alot" is not a word
Taurus PT 1911 is the Kimber of the 2000's. Some run, some don't. Taurus CS was not good in my admittedly very short experience. They now own my PT1911 once again.
RMD
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Well, if you talk to those who have owned them and had to change the extracter in under 50 rounds, you might get a different opinion.
LiveLife
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I think STI Spartan and Trojan give you "a lot" of custom pistol features and accuracy for the money. 
Ive been on TaurusArmed over a year and don't remember anyone needing a new extractor in the first 50 rounds. Not saying it didn't happen, But rather that its not a rampant issue or i would be more aware of it. My extractor lasted 1k rounds before being peened to death from my lack of knowledge on checking and maintaining its tension correctly.
The problem ive seen is shop owners putting $700 price tags on them which is incorrect imo. More like $500-$550 and maybe $600 for certain models.
If your the type to buy a gun and don't want to change anything but the grips then the PT1911 may be a good choice as it does have some things on it you wont see on guns in its price range.
Mine was a great shooting and extremely accurate right out of the box.
But in reality it is filled with as many MIM parts as possible and most are loosely fit and i can honestly say i think the only hand fit part on the gun is the barrel bushing.
I just did a full ground up rebuild on mine and put all high end parts in it as i only kept the frame/slide and barrel and i found not one single file mark on ANY part that leads me to believe nothing was ever hand fit.
Ill also add this. If your the type that wont work on your own gun than the PT1911 may not be for you. IMO the 1911 itself is meant to be worked on by the owner or smiths and not so much meant to be sent back to the factory as generally fixes are cheap and fast and the parts readily available.
Lets be real here, This is a low end priced 1911 that delivers alot for the money.
Just dont compare all those extra features to a real mid range 1911 with the same features that have been well fitted from the factory.
When i did my ground up rebuild where i started with a complete pin and spring kit and worked up from there only one issue was found where the gun could give a person fits trying to get aftermarket parts to fit and that if the relation of the extractor and the firing pin safety hole and plunger dont play well together when using after market parts.
But mine works so it can be done, EVERYTHING else went in great despite my noobish
Further info that goes deeper into the PT1911.
Just recently Clark custom's who make the .460 Rowland conversion removed the PT1911 off the recommended list after several owners ended up with broken slides and or frames. They dont know the cause yet, But until they figure it out they felt it wise to not recommend it.
But, Johnny Rowland who has his own company http://460rowland.com/products-page and says this
You cant do that with a Philippine made gun.
Imo if you want a gun to customize that will hold its value dont buy a PT1911, Buy a Colt or Springfield. AS a PT1911 with $700 in parts and tons of labor is still only worth as much as a stock used PT1911.
I want a 3" 1911, Mainly the Colt New Agent but its $900-$1000 so ive been looking at the RIA/Citadel/armscor 3" guns and just cant trust them.
Id be more likley to buy a Taurus 3" before the Philippine counter parts.
But im still working on the Colt.
The problem ive seen is shop owners putting $700 price tags on them which is incorrect imo. More like $500-$550 and maybe $600 for certain models.
If your the type to buy a gun and don't want to change anything but the grips then the PT1911 may be a good choice as it does have some things on it you wont see on guns in its price range.
Mine was a great shooting and extremely accurate right out of the box.
But in reality it is filled with as many MIM parts as possible and most are loosely fit and i can honestly say i think the only hand fit part on the gun is the barrel bushing.
I just did a full ground up rebuild on mine and put all high end parts in it as i only kept the frame/slide and barrel and i found not one single file mark on ANY part that leads me to believe nothing was ever hand fit.
Ill also add this. If your the type that wont work on your own gun than the PT1911 may not be for you. IMO the 1911 itself is meant to be worked on by the owner or smiths and not so much meant to be sent back to the factory as generally fixes are cheap and fast and the parts readily available.
Lets be real here, This is a low end priced 1911 that delivers alot for the money.
Just dont compare all those extra features to a real mid range 1911 with the same features that have been well fitted from the factory.
When i did my ground up rebuild where i started with a complete pin and spring kit and worked up from there only one issue was found where the gun could give a person fits trying to get aftermarket parts to fit and that if the relation of the extractor and the firing pin safety hole and plunger dont play well together when using after market parts.
But mine works so it can be done, EVERYTHING else went in great despite my noobish
Further info that goes deeper into the PT1911.
Just recently Clark custom's who make the .460 Rowland conversion removed the PT1911 off the recommended list after several owners ended up with broken slides and or frames. They dont know the cause yet, But until they figure it out they felt it wise to not recommend it.
But, Johnny Rowland who has his own company http://460rowland.com/products-page and says this
http://460rowland.com/will-the-460-conversion-kit-work-with-the-taurus/
You cant do that with a Philippine made gun.
Imo if you want a gun to customize that will hold its value dont buy a PT1911, Buy a Colt or Springfield. AS a PT1911 with $700 in parts and tons of labor is still only worth as much as a stock used PT1911.
I want a 3" 1911, Mainly the Colt New Agent but its $900-$1000 so ive been looking at the RIA/Citadel/armscor 3" guns and just cant trust them.
Id be more likley to buy a Taurus 3" before the Philippine counter parts.
But im still working on the Colt.
I don't own a PT1911, nor do I know a ton about 1911's in general, but I did find this article I found the other day interesting:
http://www.handgunsmag.com/featured_handguns/HG_taurus1911ss_201007/index.html
Even after reading that I'm still leaning towards my first 1911 being a Springfield Loaded model.
http://www.handgunsmag.com/featured_handguns/HG_taurus1911ss_201007/index.html
Even after reading that I'm still leaning towards my first 1911 being a Springfield Loaded model.
weregunner
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Let's have a recent history lesson on this.
The actual owners' use and facts count. Nothing else does.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=505509
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=501157
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=503273
The actual owners' use and facts count. Nothing else does.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=505509
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=501157
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=503273
I went the same way DasFriek went. The pistol was a great shooter out of the box, but I bought it as build platform. I learned a lot with this build, the only Taurus parts left are the frame and slide. Mostly Ed Brown, but some Wilson Combat, and the hammer group is Cylinder&Slide. Really happy with how it turned out, and a great learning experience. Plus I have a bunch of cool tools that come in handy with all my firearms.
So far, it appears that it's OPINION, and not fact that rules the discussion about the PT1911.
Mine has had over 5K of rounds put through it, and nothing has loosened, broken, fell off or apart. The gun is accurate, and reliable. The extractor is still in place, and has no signs of peening. The ambi-safety is a good investment for us lefties, too.
There is a range gun at a near-by range that has surpassed 10,000 rounds without a problem. Keeping the gun clean and inspecting parts helps prevent problems.
For the question of Philippine guns, they have been known to be severely out of spec in pin locations, heat-treatment, and fitting. I have seen a bunch of them over the years that make Llama look like a Wilson in comparison.
Mine has had over 5K of rounds put through it, and nothing has loosened, broken, fell off or apart. The gun is accurate, and reliable. The extractor is still in place, and has no signs of peening. The ambi-safety is a good investment for us lefties, too.
There is a range gun at a near-by range that has surpassed 10,000 rounds without a problem. Keeping the gun clean and inspecting parts helps prevent problems.
For the question of Philippine guns, they have been known to be severely out of spec in pin locations, heat-treatment, and fitting. I have seen a bunch of them over the years that make Llama look like a Wilson in comparison.
Are you expecting anything else from an internet forum when the question ends with "what say you"?
All I can say is that I held the Taurus 1911 w/the synthetic grips and the grips felt like they had hundreds of tiny pins piercing my skin. I quickly placed the firearm back on the counter and went over to the Springfields, Kimbers, and SW1911's which all felt fantastic.
I've had mine since 2007 - paid less than $500 for it. At that price, it was a lot of gun for the money. I've seen them in shops for $650 and up today.
I've not had any trouble with mine. I carry and shoot it often. It has proven more reliable than my friend's Kimber and just as accurate. IMO - yes, it is a lot of gun for the money. I know there are those that have had issues with their pistols - but it seems like more have not. I would buy another one given the choice. For comparison purposes - mine is the basic blued version in 45 ACP.
I've not had any trouble with mine. I carry and shoot it often. It has proven more reliable than my friend's Kimber and just as accurate. IMO - yes, it is a lot of gun for the money. I know there are those that have had issues with their pistols - but it seems like more have not. I would buy another one given the choice. For comparison purposes - mine is the basic blued version in 45 ACP.
I do not own one myself but have put a couple hundred rounds through one. Went to the range with a buddy who is a 1911 freak. he invited me to check out his new tow a PT1911. This surprised me because he has come NICE 1911's. Anyway we shot this Taurus Nighthawk custom and a Kimber. I my hands and in his the Taurus held tighter groups that the nighthawk A $500 gun outshooting a $2500 dollar one. I was impressed by how tight it felt no slop not rattle felt solid. I am thinking about buying myself one.
A $500 gun outshooting a $2500 dollar one. I was impressed by how tight it felt no slop not rattle felt solid. I am thinking about buying myself one.I have a PT 1911. I have put 389 rounds through it thus far. I have had 3 failures to extract, and 2 failures to feed. They came when using Federal, UMC, Blazer, and some re-manufactured rounds, FMJ, TMJ, and lead nose, all 230 grain. Whether or not it was a factor, I have 5 magazines, 2 Taurus mags that it came with, and 3 other non-factory magazines. All 5 problems were while using the Taurus magazines. Hell, for all I know it could have been just one of the magazines.
STI Spartan is a lot of 1911 for the money, and it works right out of the box. Taurus 1911s have a lot on them for the money, but they just look cheap, tackey, which makes them worthless to me. Probably an OK pistol but their idea of style is lost on me.
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