Taurus - cylinder won't rotate

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Dr Detroit

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I had posted in Jan regarding the problems I was having with a head space problem on my Taurus 45 acp Tracker 2" revolver with full moon clips. The problem was that the cylinder would not rotate when the gun was fired or the hammer pulled back without excessive force. The 45 acp cartridges rub against the frame of the gun when using the moon clip.

I sent the gun to Taurus the first time and it came back with a note that it was repaired. I took it to the range and put 50 rounds through it. I didn't have much time that day but wanted to run a quick test. Worked great. The next week I put 150 through it and right back to the same problem.

I called Taurus and told them I felt the gun was unsafe to use and wanted it replaced. They told me to send it in. By the way they paid the freight to the factory both times.

I called them after a couple of weeks to see what was going on. They don't have the best phone service and they don't do email. Anyway I talked to someone in Customer Service. She said my gun was with the review board and a decision would be made in four weeks. I got the same gun back a few weeks ago. They indicated it was repaired under the lifetime warranty.

I called and asked to speak with the person who repaired it. I wanted to know what they did to it and how I could be sure it was safe to use. They sent me to his voice mail. He had just stepped away and would get right back to me. He never called me back. The next week I called again and asked for the same guy by name and he answered. He told me he did not work on my gun (wanted to know who told me he did). He told me he would get to the bottom of it and call me back on my cell phone within the hour with some answers to my questions. That was over a week ago and still no call back.

I tested the gun again with 50 rounds. Stopped at a range and had only 30 minutes. I shot Winchester FMJ RN 230 grain - standard white box. Worked great. I thought maybe its really fixed. Then a few days later had another 30 min and started shooting a box of UMC FMJ RN and the cylinder jammed with the first moon clip. I tried 3 moon clips and same, so went out to the cashier and bought a box of Wiinchester, same as the other day when it worked great. It jammed. I was starting to think it was a problem with the ammo, but it wasn't.

I started playing around with the moon clips and finally determined if I put them in one way it jams, turn it over and it works better. But the clips are supposed to work either way (I assume since they are not marked in any way). I think there is so little clearance for the cylinder to rotate that there just isn't enough room. I've marked all 15 of my moon clips to know which way is up but really feel that is just a patch to a real problem.

Any suggestions on what I do now? This is my carry gun, or should say was supposed to be. But I could never count on it in the event I really need it. I am thinking about calling Taurus again. I'm about ready to give up. I think they must have put one moon clip in it, shot it 5 times and decided it was ok to send it back.

Thanks for any feedback.
 
Dr Detroit,

A question and a comment.
.45 ACP revolvers are supposed to headspace on the case mouth just like autos, but the cylinder is supposed to be short enough to allow this to happen with the moon clips installed on the ammo.

Have you tried shooting it without the clips? Granted it would be a royal pain to extract the cases, but it is an experiment to determine if the clips are to blame.
The reason I say this is because I used to have a S&W 25-2. I bought a bunch of factory 1/2 moon clips and shot them till they wouldn't hold cases any more. Then I bought some aftermarket clips and had jams. It turns out that these clips were too thick and caused insufficient headspace. Once I replaced them with factory clips the problem went away.
These clips are stamped out, so they have kind of a smooth side, and a sharp side. On my S&W it didn't matter unless one of the clips got bent, then it would hang up.

If the problem exists both with and without the clips I would guess that it has insufficient headspace. If it happens only with the clips, I'd guess that either the clips were too thick, or the clearence for them was insuffeicient. Just a guess now.


OK, on the same 25-2 I began to have jams. Same ammo I had been using, same clips as before. It would only jam during live fire. Never during dry fire. My gunsmith couldn't find the problem. Finally I took the gun and some ammo to him and told him to go shoot it. He did. It jammed.
What he found out was that the cylinder had excessive end shake. This was allowing something to bind up during live fire and the cylinder just could not be turned by the action. If you kept pressure on the trigger and rotated it by hand it was obviously jammed up.
After adjusting the end shake to minimum the problem was cured.

These are my only two guesses. I hope it helps a bit.
 
Sure sounds like a classic headspace problem.

Could probably be corrected by 2 swipes with a file on the cylinder yoke barrel.

I'd try and get the factory to do it though...

Joe
 
I have tried firing it without the moon clips and it works fine. The clips are all Taurus brand. The gun came with 5 and I ordered two extra sets of 5 each when I ordered the gun. The whole experience has frustrated me.
 
I'd dump the gun too. But, as a possible fix: did you measure the barrel/cylinder gap? You can use auto feeler gauges. If it is in spec, it should be about .004" to .006". If it is wide (like about .012") it means the cylinder is set up too far to the rear of the frame window and that would cut down on headspace. If so, the fix could be some crane washers at the point it goes into the frame which would shim the crane assy forward abit. Or, as somebody pointed out, you could file a tad off the end of the crane tube and that would let the cylinder come forward. It would also increase end shake, but if you have cartridge rims dragging the breech face, end shake isn't your biggest worry.
 
Don't take this the wrong way, but congratulations on being the 1 millionth member to the "Screwed by Taurus Customer Service Club"!

They are not concerned with service after the sell. If they get your money once, that's good enough for them. I know I'll never own another Taurus product (I have my reasons), and I'm not the only one.

I'd get rid of it, by being honest about the problem. I got rid of my PT92, PT22, and M85 in this same manner. As long as the buyer (trader) knows the problem, I see nothing wrong with it.
 
Moon clips do vary in thickness, but the cylinder of a revolver should be short enough to allow any reasonable thickness to be used. Without clips, you should be able to see almost the whole extraction groove on the chambered cases. Apparently, your clips are warping when loaded and pushing the case head backward. My first suggestion is to try a different brand of clip. Another alternative is to just turn a bit off the end of the cylinder, but that might not be an option for you if you are trying to get Taurus to fix it.

In any case, DO NOT mess with the cylinder end adjustment; that is not the problem and trying to correct it by forcing the cylinder forward can create other problems.

As to Taurus repair, it is possible that you both are right. They may be using one brand of moon clip and having no problems; you are using another and having trouble.

Jim
 
...hhmmm...don't know about THEM using "one brand" of moonclip and the poster usin' another...IIRC, the FIVE-shot moonclips that go into the Taurus .45 ACP's are a proprietary design, available ONLY from Taurus...unless somebody knows something I don't--that's ALWAYS a possibility!!!....mikey357
 
moon clips

The Taurus Tracker 45ACP came with 5 moon clips. I ordered an additional 2 sets of 5 each. Both packages say Taurus on them. I suspect you are right and that they are only available from Taurus. Its pretty sad when I have to get out my wife's nail polish and mark each of the 15 which way is up when I am sure they are supposed to work either way. You can tell right away if the cylinder is going to jam up. Load the moon clip in the cylinder and just try to close it. If you have to force it, its a problem. If it closes without any drag then it fires ok.
 
revolver vs auto - how it all started

This whole issue started over a decision over which gun to purchase for carry - 45 ACP Auto or Revolver.

I purchased this gun after a friend got one for his CCW gun. His works great. Not one problem. He convinced me that 45ACP was the best personal protection caliber and that a revolver is almost full proof. In other words its not supposed to jam like an auto might just when you really need it to save your life or someone elses. As it turned out I think my original choice of self protection until I was convinced otherwise - Kimber 3" CDP - would have been a much better one. My full size Kimber 45 ACP has never jammed to date at the range.

Anyone else have any comments about revolver vs. auto for a carry gun? I think I could use some new advice... Maybe its S&W vs. Taurus!
 
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