Taurus Judge but which

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hey, don't let 'em kid you...
it's the perfect gun for short range defense against zombie watermelons
because if the buckshot don't kill 'em with the 1st shot, the barrel flying off the end of the gun will ;)
 
There was a story posted on this forum a while back where a woman defended herself from attack using a Judge, and the perp assumed room temperature.
So they can be effective.
If I wanted one, I'd get one. They must sell a bunch because Federal (?) is making rounds just for them. They make a lot more sense than the Rossi revolver shotgun.
 
FWIW:

I personally never cared for the Judge, as I have no watermelons I needed to dispatch with one, but recently I have come to the conclusion that for certain situations one might be just the ticket.

My friend bought a motor home and wanted a firearm to have when he and his wife were on the road, or camping or whatever. He bought the Ultralight (or whatever it's called) Judge with the intentions of using it strictly as his "motorhome" self defense weapon.

His Judge fits in a holster on the left side of the drivers seat (no door on that side), and is easily accessible to the driver. At night he takes the Judge into the back of the coach to the sleeping area and has it there.

His wife is NOT a gun person, but she can shoot the Judge if she had to.. Just point and pull and SHAZAM lots of dramatic happenings occur...:what:

This friend is a gun nut, and has all sorts of other firearms to chose from, but he believes for THIS particular application the Judge fits the bill better than anything else.

We took the light Judge out back and shot it the day he got it, and I'd have to say it's pretty impressive, shooting a target up close and personal..

I'm not a Taurus person in general, and I wouldn't have considered a Judge before my buddy got his, but I have to admit I think its a good choice for his particular need.

Just personal opinion.

Best Wishes,

Jesse

P.S. IF I were in the market for a Judge (I'm not) it would definitely be the lightweight version.
 
Dont forget Magnum Research BFR's. Awesome handguns.

Considering we're talking about a 4" Judge being a little unwieldy, that put's the BFR in a whole new category of humongulous. They compare with the x-frame Smith. There are rifles that are only marginally longer and heavier than the BFR......
 
There seems to be a lot of folks expressing their opinions here, who don't know what they are talking about. I have had a Judge for a couple of years and it is a very accurate pistol with either .410 or .45 rounds. I have had no issues with it and the barrel has never flown off at anything. The recoil is very manageable and it is fun to shoot. I didn't hear anyone here offer to be shot with one to test the supposed ineffectiveness they profess. Makes you wonder how much shop talk is actually going on. The judge has a place in the firearm world and in certain applications, is a great gun. No gun fits every application, so why should the Judge be drug through the mud because it doesn't fit everyone's idea of perfection?
 
They must sell a bunch because Federal is making rounds just for them.

To me that is a bad thing...if you start to over rely on these special shells you only limit the versatility

@jfrey

what applications does a judge have that a good .357 cant do better
 
Pearl River woman shoots husband after he admits affair from 15 years ago
by Jeff Adelson, The Times-Picayune
Thursday September 10, 2009, 11:10 AM
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Connie DavisA Pearl River-area woman shot her husband twice in the back with bird shot Tuesday after he admitted to having an affair 15 years ago, authorities said.

Connie Davis and her husband began arguing about the affair after he came clean about it in the yard of their home at 37447 Earl Bennett Road about 2 p.m., St. Tammany Parish Sheriff's Office spokesman George Bonnett said Thursday.

After her husband's confession, Davis took a revolver chambered for .410-caliber shotgun shells and began shooting at him, Bonnett said. The gun, a model known as "The Judge," was loaded with bird-shot shells, he said.

Davis fired five shots at her husband as he ran away through their yard, Bonnett said. Davis' husband was hit in the upper and lower back by bird shot from two shells, he said.

After running away, Davis found that he didn't have a cell phone, Bonnett said. He used a two-way radio to call into his workplace and tell them that his wife was trying to kill him, he said. His coworkers then relayed the messages to the Sheriff's Office.

Connie Davis had already left when deputies arrived and found her husband sitting in a swing in his front yard, Bonnett said. Her husband was taken to the Louisiana Heart Hospital where he was treated for his injuries, which were not serious, and released, he said.

Deputies stopped Davis a short time later as she was driving on Gause Boulevard and arrested her, Bonnett said. She had a shotgun shell in her pocket and the gun on the seat next to her, he said.

Davis, 53, was booked into the St. Tammany Parish jail in Covington with attempted second-degree murder. She is being held on a $75,000 bond.

"Pretty much any time you point a loaded gun at someone and pull the trigger, it's going to be attempted murder," Bonnett said.
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Holly Crap!!!!!

I shot a Judge today it was only chambered for 2 1/2" shell and at 15 feet it was nasty!!!!!! The target was hit with 4 lead 000 buckshot pellets. The grouping was about in a 12" circle. Then I shot all 4 remaining rounds at the target and needless to say that target was not happy.

I have heard/read that (I'm not talking about birdshot) the 410 buchshot only penetrated 3-4 inches. But there again in the face, neck and chest that seems good to me

How deep is someones heart, more than 12-14 inches and you'll shoot through someone

I think we have grown to think we need a 105 to protect ourselves, good God people come on!!!!!!!!
 
How deep is someones heart, more than 12-14 inches and you'll shoot through someone

FBI tests are 12-14 in in ballistic gelatin...not 12-14 inches through clothes, living tense muscles, sternums, ribs and such

all i know is that i have to defend my life, it will be center mass, and start pullin the trigger

Im no mall ninja so no mozambique drills for me
 
"Pretty much any time you point a loaded gun at someone and pull the trigger, it's going to be attempted murder," Bonnett said.

Wise words from the Sheriff's Office Spokesman.

BI tests are 12-14 in in ballistic gelatin...not 12-14 inches through clothes, living tense muscles, sternums, ribs and such

Shhh.... If you remind people of facts like that, they might actually think about their defensive weapon choices... Can't have that...:D
 
ghost justtrust the people who own them (myself included) you will not regret the purchase
there are alot of haters out there for the judge but then again there are glock haters 1911 haters etc
a gun is a personal choice
most of the comments ive ever read against the judge are from those that are too closed minded to own or shoot one
there has been ONE report of a barrel falling off and ONE review of .410 not being reliable and everyone jumps on the bashing bandwagon
my old sig used to say "no one wants to stand in front of a JUDGE" i may just change that back till i find someone brave enough to show me its a useless weapon
 
FBI tests are 12-14 in in ballistic gelatin...not 12-14 inches through clothes, living tense muscles, sternums, ribs and such
FBI tests are done through various intermediate barriers in to gelatin as well.
 
I have heard/read that (I'm not talking about birdshot) the 410 buchshot only penetrated 3-4 inches. But there again in the face, neck and chest that seems good to me

How deep is someones heart, more than 12-14 inches and you'll shoot through someone

I think we have grown to think we need a 105 to protect ourselves, good God people come on!!!!!!!!

Wheeee.... let's look more closely at that one, shall we?

So, four 000 buck shot hit the target in a 12" circle? This is good, no?

Four .36 caliber, 73 gr. (moving around 1,100 fps...maybe) projectiles struck and penetrated 3-4"... this is good, no?

Let me ask you, would you feel comfortable defending yourself with a .32 ACP? Now, you get to shoot the methed-up attacker 4 times, but only in a 12" circle somewhat surrounding COM if you can make the hit.

Would you feel this is a good thing? Most .32 ACPs hold more than four rounds so why not use one of those? Good idea, eh? Surely a reasonable person would choose to defend themselves with a .32 ACP, especially if they got off four shots ... that will enter a bad guy but don't have the energy to penetrate the whole thorasic cavity.

And a 12" circle at 15 FEET? That is good, no? Now if I was tossing .45 caliber 230gr. projectiles, or .40 cal. 165grs., or 9mm 147 gr, etc, and I couldn't get them to impact more to the point of aim than a 12" circle at 15 FEET, on a static paper target, no less, I'd be making a valient effort to improve my situation, and FAST.

Ahhh, but those would likely be big, heavy guns ... oh, but not bigger and heavier than a "Judge" and they'd have higher capacity. Annnnnd.... what were those selling points again? :rolleyes:
 
my old sig used to say "no one wants to stand in front of a JUDGE" i may just change that back till i find someone brave enough to show me its a useless weapon

To quote myself: This is a poor strawman argument used often to justify really unconscionable choices. No one wants to be shot, with ANY firearm. I don't want to be shot with a .25 ACP, .22LR, a crossbow, or a Red Ryder BB gun. That doesn't make any of them adequate to do significant damage to a violent (and possibly drug-altered) attacker to stop an attack.

I suppose I should add, nobody wants to be shot with a .32ACP four times, either, but it doesn't make it a good idea for self-defense! :D


And, as always, when the numbers are finally crunched (again...) it devolves into a question of, is it a "useless" weapon or not. In other threads the same point is often phrased, "well it's better than nothing!"
And the proper answer is SURE! It is better than being unarmed. But folks are going to the gun store and choosing to purchase these guns as though they were better than almost ANY of the other available choices for self-defense. As a buddy used to say, "the mind wobbles..."
 
EDIT: i guess i posted at the same time as Sam...

I agree, if your asking what should I buy to defend my self...go with the time proven gun/caliber
If you have a judge and say "hey this is all i got...will it get the job done"... than yeah it may get it done

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my point still stands from my second post on p.1 ...what is going to be a better defender of your life...the .357 (one of the most reputable and proven penetrator/manstopper in history or the .410 bore, that before the judge was considered only suitable for small vermin/ child's gun/ pro level trap shooter

all of a sudden the judge came out with its watermelon exploding marketing (my .22 can to that with the right bullets) and a cool/intimidating name (THE JUDGE) and the .410 is elevated to a bad guy blasting dealer of death and destruction.
 
public defender

last weekend i bought a public defender (2.5 chamber) and i love it. i have not had a chance to shoot it much, but the federal handgun ammo pattern very well at about 7 yrds ( 3-4 inch pattern) i also did the milk jug test with a 410 slug, it penetrated three jug's full of water, the same as my lcp 380 with critical defense ammo. i plan on doing the buckshot next week i think this will become my carry gun:D
i really like this gun a lot and would buy it again in a heart beat.

p.s and no my barrel did not blow off:neener:
 
Sam1911

Why does it always have to be a methed-up attacker?Most times I hear of an attacker who is not on drugs holding up, car jacking, robbing.

Let's look at your statment shall we:

Who said I am only going to shot one round that contains 4 .36 caliber, 73 gr. (moving around 1,100 fps) no I have five rounds. So that's 20 .36 caliber, 73 gr. (moving around 1,100 fps) That's pretty good

Quote:circle somewhat surrounding COM if you can make the hit.
Maybe that's why the Judge is a good chioce because you have four .36 caliber, 73 gr. (moving around 1,100 fps) at once. When you are surprised and taken off guard
 
GR23, if you feel justified in your reasoning, I'm not going to talk you out of it.

Maybe I should just say that I require something more from my defensive arms and from myself as a shooter than what this gun offers.

As they say, I won't be at your gunfight. ;)

Enjoy the Taurus.
 
Sam

Sam,

Fair enough, but I am looking for a reason why 20 pellets at .36 caliber isn't good enough. If I have the REAL chance to drive away, walk away or get away from the situation then I will just so I don't have to draw a gun. AT most muggings, robberies or hold ups it's up close not 30-40 feet away and once again if I can leave I will. We all know the criminal has more rights than we do. Aiming (what aiming really), muzzle blast, slide bite, etc are all things to take into account. In a distressed time I'd like a short 12ga. with 4 rounds & a class III permit but that's not going to happen so I figure the next best thing a 410 with five rounds.

Once again I am not attacking you, I am looking for some real reasoning as to why a 410 would not be a good choice.
 
20 buckshot pellets using sams numbers equal 3380 ft/lbs of energy total dumped into bad guy

6 125 grain .357 slugs (1600fps) equals 4260 ft/lbs total

8 200gr .45 acp slugs (1080fps) equals a total of 4144 ft/lbs

theres a couple reasons for you
 
I am looking for a reason why 20 pellets at .36 caliber isn't good enough.
Maybe it will be. Maybe a single 40 gr. .22LR will be. Maybe just drawing the gun will scare him off. Who knows. If you trust it, fine.

BUT, I can carry a smaller, lighter gun that puts out a LOT more energy, with projectiles that penetrate and expland better, FASTER, and more accurately. So why would I choose the Judge?

If you just like it, great. Like I said, it won't be defending ME, it will be defending YOU. Maybe it is good enough for the task.

If I have the REAL chance to drive away, walk away or get away from the situation then I will just so I don't have to draw a gun.
So you should walk away with your Judge and I'll walk away with a 1911 or some other handgun. Seems like a wash.

Aiming (what aiming really), muzzle blast, slide bite, etc are all things to take into account. In a distressed time I'd like a short 12ga. with 4 rounds
Really? I shoot quite a bit in defensive/practical style training with various handguns. I wouldn't trade any of them for a short-barreled shotgun or a .410 revolver for concealed carry or home defense. (Maybe a full-sized 20" barrel, full-stocked pump shotgun at home, but not a Judge anywhere.)

a class III permit
What's that?

I figure the next best thing a 410 with five rounds.
I don't follow that logic, in fact I disagree with it vehemently, but it's your hide and your gun.

Chances are you'll never have to draw it anyway, so carry whatever you like, right?
 
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