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Taurus M431 44 Special

Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by H. Faversham, Feb 15, 2007.

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  1. H. Faversham

    H. Faversham Member

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    At a recent gun show, a dealer wanted almost $400 (including tax) for a like new, blue, model 431, 3 inch, no box. Granted, it was a really beautiful, well balanced, pre-lock, first-year-of-production example of a .44 revolver. And, yes, it was a discontinued, 3 inch .44 Special, which is all the rage now.
    But almost $400!? For a Taurus!? What am I missing here?

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  2. steelhead

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    Supply versus demand

    All .44 specials, with possible exception of the Charter Arms, are starting to command a premium. If I didn't already have one, and if it was in good condition, I would go as high as $325 for a 441 or 431. Smith and Wesson 296 and 696's are commanding extremely high prices as well. I picked up this 696 for $465 but they are selling on the auction sites for $800+.
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  3. Colt46

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    You would think

    That gun manufacturers would realize the gap in the market and throw out a few more models to capitalize on the demand.
    Sigh, I doubt it!
     
  4. 461

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    I had one when they first came out. It had a lot of problems and Taurus couldn't (or wouldn't) even fix it. It was $290.00 brand new in those days. I sure wouldn't give $400.00 for one today.
     
  5. H. Faversham

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    What were the problems?
     
  6. Colt46

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    I dream of finding a Rossi 720

    Rare as hen's teeth in California.
     
  7. weregunner

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    Had a 441 with a 4 inch barrel.Shot well and had no problems. Sold it to get another revolver and have been doing this:banghead: ever since. We do have several .44 Special owners who have either the 431 or 441 models. Ask them or search the archives for the threads at www.taurusaremed.net. Both the Taurus and Rossi owners have a good model and enjoy them. There are past threads by these owners here at this forum.Price seems steep, but as the others have posted, it is a rare commodity.
     
  8. nelson133

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    I bought a Rossi 720 for $180 and a Taurus 441 for $275 within the last couple of months at gun shows. Saw a 441 with a 4" barrel at a recent show for $300 asking price. They are out there.
     
  9. 461

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    My problem was the trigger, when new it wouldn't reset about half the time. At the time Taurus had just set up their "Custom Shop" so I figured instead of sending it in for warranty repair I'd simply send it to the "Custom Shop" for a full action tuning and trigger job. You can't tune an action and trigger and come out with a trigger that won't reset. Right? Wrong!

    Gun comes back after a reasonable month and now not only will the trigger still not reset, it won't ignite any primers as the hammer strike is too light. Great trigger though, very light and smooth, pity the gun won't fire. Back to Taurus after a quite heated discussion with a "Gunsmith".

    Gun comes back after another reasonable month. Trigger resets every time with no issues whatsoever. Still won't ignite primers though! I went out and bought a pack of every primer on the market and proceeded to give it the benefit of the doubt even though I already used Federals which are known to take a light strike. Nope! Had another heated discussion with the shop director and told him I wanted a replacement weapon and it better have a full action tune and it better pop every primer I put under that hammer. Was told I could send the gunback for repair but a replacement was not an option.

    I sold the gun after disclosing that it had a problem with light hammer strikes to a fellow that was going to put some new springs in it and solve the problem. I could've done the same thing and it probably would have worked but I'd lost all confidence in the company and the revolver so I just wanted it gone. I've never owned another Taurus product with the exception of one I got as part of a trade that I promptly sold.
     
  10. Richard

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    I am no fan of Taurus firearms due to the lack of customer support I experienced with a PT 111. With this said, I owned a 4" M441 and it was a great revolver after I had a trigger job done to it. I sold it to a friend that really wanted it. Regards, Richard:D
     
  11. Old Fuff

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    I have a Taurus model 445 (blue steel / 5 shot / 44 Special / 2" that's given me no problems, and is one of my pet pocket guns. While a lot of pre 2000 guns left a lot to be desired, the later ones have been good as far as I'm concerned unless they were made out of Titanium or had Titanium cylinders. I have absolutely no interest in an .44 Special revolver that isn't made out of steel, preferably high carbon and blued. ;)
     
  12. steelhead

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    Here is a pic of my 441

    Still looking for a 445 and 296 to add to the collection.

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  13. VAX

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    Taurus snubbies

    Never owned a Charco weapon, but from what I've read, they can be either very good, or junk -- depending entirely on when they were made during that company's volitile history

    From my experience in owning several Taurus snubbies, the first generation of them (The S&W clones) were OK for the prices they charged at the time, but were not a top line product. Same with the Rossi models of about that time.

    Since then, and I'm not sure when the change was made, the quality of Taurus has increased to where they are a good quality handgun for the money.

    Of course, every gun maker occaisionally has a bad one that got out the door.
    I can only surmise, but from what I have heard form other sources, the poster that had the problem with ignition failures could almost certainly have fixed them with a new set of springs. However, having myself experienced unreliable handguns in the past, (Colt's 1911) I fully understand the desire not to place his trust in that particular gun.

    I have owned several Taurus revolvers in the past, and never had a problem with any of them. Current examples include:

    An M431 blue steel .44 (2nd generation). This is a great revolver, and is a comfort to me at times. My only real beef with it as a carry gun, is that it is a tad heavy for a small revolver, but it can be lived with. It's functioning is flawless, and it is as accurate as anyone could wish in a snubbie.

    No, it is not as "nice" in fit and finish as a Smith & Wesson, or Colt of comparable type, and is not IMO as robust as a Ruger, nevertheless, the polish and bluing is very nice for a handgun in it's price range, the barrel cylinder gap is close, and the lockup is tight.

    The only real differences in quality that I can tell visually from a smith is in the area around the extracor star, and some of the internal finish work is not as good, but since that is not often seen, and has no effect on the function, it is not an issue for me.

    I also own a Tarus M415 Total Titanium of similar size (3Rd Gen and unfortunatly no longer in production) which is much lighter, and also a flawless performer. It is a fantastic piece, and at the time I bought it -- was sitting next to an identical model in .44 -- I only wish I could have bought one of each.

    Every one has a different view of these things of course, but my experience is that Taurus (Snubbie revolvers at least) are a good buy if you can get one at a reasonable price, and if it is a good one. I wouldn't trade one of my S&W's for one, but I wouldn't keep my Smith if it didn't work right either.

    (Sorry it was such a long post. What can I say, just another windbag....should have gone into politics, apparently we can't do much worse....) :barf:
     

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    Looks like Vax pulled this one out of the graveyard, but I do have a Rossi 720.
     
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    My 441, 6" great gun. I purchased a new 4" barrel from Gun parts and now I can change barrels at will, only takes minutes and greatly enhances the utility of the revolver.
     
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    I would buy a Rossi or Taurus in the blink of an eye, if the price was right. Love .44 Spl.
     
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    Is this thread still active? I have a Taurus 431 stainless with 2.5" bbl. Looking for a IWB holster . . . will a k frame holster work or do I need to get a L frame one? been to countless holster makers' sites and of course no one lists this model. I have an old Bianchi pancake, but want the deeper concealment of an IWB.

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  18. Virginian

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    I have a Taurus 431 stainless 4" that I have had for most of 23 years. I had to buy it twice, because the ex-wife claimed it in the divorce, and by then they weren't available new any more. It was my primary carry gun and favorite DA revolver until I got a Taurus 605 last year. The 431 is still my favorite, but the 605 is handier.
    I have owned Smiths, Colts, Rugers, Rossis, High Standards, and even Llamas, and have shot several other brands, and the only other DA gun I ever had I liked as well as the 431 was a Smith 65, that was the most accurate center fire revolver of any type I have ever shot. I sold that in a moment of stupidity. :banghead: I have never personally had a problem with a Taurus or a Colt. I did have a big problem with a Smith, but they fixed it fine. Of course, I take most any new revolver apart and clean up any machining residue and flashing or marks that might drag on any internal surfaces. Not really a full internal polish, but a real good clean up, and I think it benefits them all. I also install Wolff springs at that time. The 431 was the only revolver it ever took me two tries to get the lightest 100% reliable hammer ignition with, but it has been fine for over 20 years now. I actually prefer the simplicity of the internal lockwork on a Taurus to a Smith, and I am not going to buy a gun with a hole in the side for a "key" cylinder.
     
  19. Dan-O

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    I have a Simply Rugged holster for my Charter .44 spec. They are both similar in length and width, and it should fit.
     
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    A holster for a K 2 1/2 fits a 2 1/2" 431 fine. Taurus cylinder is only 0.061" larger in dia. and about the same length.
     
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    People may be starting to recognize that Elmer Keith wasn't talking out his ass...
     
  22. smee781

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    This thread was pulled out of the graveyard again! But now I can add that I still have my Rossi 720 and have a Smith 296 that was picked up for the high price of $380.:what:
     
  23. sidheshooter

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    Third time's a charm, smee781! Here's another 720 (mine) for you:

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  24. Stainz

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    I've shot the SS and all-Ti version of the Taurus as well as a few Charter Arms/C.A. 2000 models. They all had miserable triggers, but I would have more faith in the Charter Arms models as a CCW. The all-Ti Taurus was definitely lite weight - but got stiffer as you shot it, finally all but locking up by 25-30 rounds. Allowed to cool, it was shootable again. This was a period from fall '02 to spring '05 when I worked as a part-time public range RO. The ammo was PMC 180gr JHP, Blazer 200gr GDJHPs, and MagTech lead.

    I bought a 296 ($349) and a 696 ($439), both new, on the same day over six years ago. Yeah, the 696 is way too big for a pocket gun - the 296, in a Mika pocket holster, is pocketable. To put them in proper perspective, look below. Along side the 296 & 696 are my 4" & 6" 629 - .44 Magnums.

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    Carefully compare the 4" 629 to the 696. It weighs just six ounces more, but includes another round capacity, inch of barrel, larger hammer & trigger, and is really Keith-level capable. You can probably buy a new one for less than a 'good' 696, too. Just a thought.

    Interesting side note - the CA, Tauri, and 296/396/696 all use the same HKS #CA44 speedloader. My 296, in a pocket holster, fits nearly 3/4 of my britches front pocket - and says 'Howdy!' quite well when shooting those 200gr Gold Dots (I have used GA Arms version for years - you gain Starline brass that way.).

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  25. picguy523

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    I had a titanium .44 special and that was really nice. Wish I didn't trade it away, but I got a 4" smith 19-3 for it, so all was not lost. A 3" titanium in .44 special is a dream gun of mine.
     
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