Taurus PT 92 AFS can it be overlubricated/greased so it does not load anymore?

[TheGuyOfSouthamerica]

Hi,

I just bought an Taurus PT 92 afs in 9mm Para and expriment difficulties with relaoding. It does not chamber a load nor eject the case but fires reliable.
I greased it very much and think it may be overgreased so the grease slows the slide down. it is now cold and can the temperature affect the automobile grease used?
The velocity of the bullets are about 950 fps according to my chronograph.

Can powder loose it's power that dramatically once it gets cold? Or does the grease (Lithium grease) Change it's properties that much?

 

[JTQ]

Grease, especially when cold, can slow the slide to the point where it won't cycle properly.

 

[JTQ]

Note the comments from Wilson Combat regarding their Ultima Lube II products, especially their grease, which is a pourable product, by the way...

Ultima-Lube II is Available in Four Formulations:

Ultima-Lube II Lite Oil - Very low viscosity. Ideal for extreme cold weather use. Recommended Uses: Tightly fitted handguns of minor caliber.

Ultima-Lube II Oil - Thin viscosity penetrates hard to get to areas. Ideal for cold weather use, 10° to 350° F temperature range. Recommended Uses: Tightly fitted handguns of all types.

Ultima-Lube II Universal - All purpose lube for all types of firearms. Stays put under extreme conditions, 40° to 350° F temperature range. Recommended Uses: Service pistols/revolvers and broken-in custom handguns, Long guns of all action types, AR style rifles in the 20° to 50° F temperature range.

Ultima-Lube II Grease - Ideal for heavy wear areas. Stays put under extreme conditions, 40° to 350° F temperature range. Recommended Uses: Full and Semi-Auto rifles and carbines, Optimal in AR style rifles at temperatures above 50° F.

They only recommend their grease for semi-auto rifles, and not for use with handguns.

 

[JTQ]

Another point, many years ago I spent a short time firing a friend's Taurus PT92. It was a very cold day, and I ended up with a lot of single shot operations. What I figured out, was the slide was contacting my gloved hands and not cycling. Once I made the effort to keep my hands away from the slide all worked well.

 

[TheGuyOfSouthamerica]

This issue I never had when I still owned the SD9VE. I observe the Beretta 92 type pistols have about 8 contact Points while the Glock style pistols have at most 4 contact Points (slide-Frame).

No. My Hands are not contacting any slide movement. I have small Hands.
Is there any powder known to loose power in cold temperatures?

 

[JTQ]

I'd be more inclined to wipe off the grease, and put some oil on the rails and locking block and try again, before chasing the ammo issue.

By the way, I also have small hands. I was new to the Taurus, and didn't realize at first that my hands were making contact with the slide. Once I figured it out everything worked fine. That may not be your issue, but it was mine.

 

[TheGuyOfSouthamerica]

I reload an 124 grain lead bullet (Lee TC TL design).
VV N330 type powder about 3.8 grains by Volumen (Lee 0.5 cc dipper) and seat the 9mm Luger at 1.048" OAL. Over 1.085" OAL the rounds will not chamber.

 

[ThomasT]

You have already asked all these questions over on TheFiringLine forum and had a bunch of answers. And now I believe you have been banned from there. Don't you know just about all the posters and a lot of the moderators here are also over at TFL? Guys you can read these same post and see the answers this poster was given. He doesn't care what your answers are. He just wants someone to tell him he is right about his thoughts. Here ya go for your reading pleasure.

https://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=585476

https://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=585972

https://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=585413

 

[TheGuyOfSouthamerica]

Maybe the whole Suggestion to grease the gun instead of using oil is a bad advice. On some Forums and YouTube actually it is suggested using grease to lube the gun instead of oil.
I whiped down the gun and tomorrow I will run the load again over the chronograph and see if the gun loads now. Before this issue I had Trouble the gun firing due to light primer strikes after I sprayed the firing pin with liquid grease.

On TFL I suggested People do not Need practice with lots of ammo or take any gun courses but instead buy accurate guns. I suggested the fire arms industry makes inaccurate guns in order to sell more ammo luring People into 1000's of rounds practice and needless expensive gun courses. I guess the fire arms Lobby didn't like that as they would not sell much ammo nor the gun course dud's wanted that to hear in order not to linger jobless around and be out of business.

 

[jrmiddleton425]

I reload an 124 grain lead bullet (Lee TC TL design).
VV N330 type powder about 3.8 grains by Volumen (Lee 0.5 cc dipper) and seat the 9mm Luger at 1.048" OAL. Over 1.085" OAL the rounds will not chamber.

I suspect your problem is your powder charge. For a 124 grain lead bullet, VV's website lists the STARTING load with N330 as 4.4 grains, and max as 4.8.

 

[TheGuyOfSouthamerica]

They list a way higher OAL as I do. I have an OAL of 1.048" now. With this it's (powder) even slightly compressed. So how in the world you will get into that case 4.8 grain of powder.

 

[ThomasT]

I suspect your problem is your powder charge. For a 124 grain lead bullet, VV's website lists the STARTING load with N330 as 4.4 grains, and max as 4.8.

jrmiddleton did you read any of the links I posted in post #8? He has already been given almost your exact answer and he still continues to argue about it. No one will ever be able to give southamericaguy and answer he likes. He would argue with a fence post. I was so hoping he wouldn't find this site. Oh well, all of you have been warned.

 

[TheGuyOfSouthamerica]

Ratshooter

If you dont, wanna contribute something to my question then please dont post anymore on this thread.
I have a feeling you scared away posters on TFL as well.

Maybe ratshooter suggests other additional nice forums for me.
On the other hand if ratshooter has something usefull to contribute, you are welcome!

I hope I can overcome the gun issue soon. The Glock I greased as well but had never a single issue.

 

[ThomasT]

I have a feeling you scared away posters on TFL as well.

No, you scared away away or more away with your inability to listen to what people were trying to tell you in answer to your questions. Most of them just threw up their hands in disgust and stopped posting because it was pointless to go any further. But I suppose the guys here will have to learn the same thing the other crew learned on TFL.

And I contributed plenty to your other threads until it became apparent you didn't want answers. You wanted validation that your ideas were correct. But they are not so you never got that validation.

When are you going to start your thread on your O ring fix? Or a thread about how the SW9VE is junk and inaccurate? Or how Taurus makes cheap guns that the finish wears off of? Or why doesn't someone make steel rails embedded in the aluminum frame so the gun will last more than a couple hundred rounds? Or is a stainless Taurus model 92 really stainless or stainless plated carbon steel?

And no, I am not going to stop posting.

 

[TheGuyOfSouthamerica]

Ratshooter

Your above questions are all valid considerations. For some they are important, others dont care about them. The visits of the posts speak for itself telling me many thousands of people are looking just for those answers.
However as I can recall, your particular answers lacked of any hard data.

I suggest you are not posting on my threads since it is all to clear you try to hunt me down.
I have a feeling ratshooter is some sort of internet hired hitman whose purpose is to shut up and silence politically and socially incorrect people. Unfortunatelly there are allways people who lend themselves to such obscure scheemes.

So if there is nothing usefull you can contribute I would be pleased not to hear anymore from you.

Thank you very much. For me the case is closed!

 

[ThomasT]

Never mind. Just enjoy your thread. Good luck.

 

[1KPerDay]

I suggested People do not Need practice with lots of ammo or take any gun courses but instead buy accurate guns. I suggested the fire arms industry makes inaccurate guns in order to sell more ammo luring People into 1000's of rounds practice and needless expensive gun courses. I guess the fire arms Lobby didn't like that as they would not sell much ammo nor the gun course dud's wanted that to hear in order not to linger jobless around and be out of business.

Wow. WOW.



Wow.

 

[bikerdoc]

We are done here.