Taurus vs. Smith & Wesson

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I will finally have to differ with my esteemed friend Ala Dan. If you want a shooter, a current stock 629 will have, along with that Infernal Lock, all of the 'endurance enhancements' and a round butt. The latter will enable the user to put some recoil absorbing Hoque .500 Magnum grips on it. Also, recent 629s, with that 'IL', have a lower resale value than period 29 & 629 models, making a little used one a real bargain. Of course, if you want a 'Dirty Harry' gun, get a 29 in good shape - it'll still be a great shooter.

Make mine stainless steel... with those .500 Maggie grips!

Stainz
 
I have owned Taurus revolvers in .38 special, .357 mag, and .44 special. The .357 mag was new and the action would lock up when shooting periodically; I sold it. The .38 special and .357 mag both shot way off center; they too were sold/traded.

One thought on the lifetime guaranty, which is good; it requires shipping to and from Taurus, which may or may not cost the owner anything, and it involves time...

the s&w revolvers I have owned over the years have never given me a minutes problems...

I would try to find a used s&w, to avoid the lock...

Just my 2 cents...YMMV
 
People always bring up the price differance between Taurus and S&W. If you can bearly afford a cheaper gun, you probably can't afford ammo,cleaning stuff, etc. Wait until you are in a better financial position. If you can't for some reason look at some used guns. you can get a better deal.
 
S&W

I believe you will buy it once if you buy a S&W.

If you buy a Taurus and, if for some reason, you don't like it, you'll want a Smith until you get a Smith.

Pay the extra $165 and get the better quality.

Lifetime warranty means nothing. You can purchase a $40 watch made in China with a lifetime warranty. If the watch ever fails, just send in $14.95 for shipping and handling along with the piece of junk and they will ship you a new watch (it probably only costs a bowl of rice to make in the first place).

I've owned Smiths and always will until I die. I looked at the Taurus when it first came out and "I wasn't sold on it one bit."

That's my opinion, for what little it's worth!
 
Superior lockwork in the S&W revolver. Compare them (look at parts diagram). I also consider S&W customer service superior to Taurus. Finally, buy American (in this case).
 
Gary:

I recently bought a H.P computer, thinking it was "made in America."

No such luck. Turns out it was made in China... :cuss::cuss:

Taurus revolvers are made in Flordia, using both domestic and Brazilan parts. :scrutiny:
 
Use the revolver checkout procedure at the top of the revolver forum. You can find good and bad examples of either. Had a Taurus 66 that was wonderful.

Had a Taurus 94 that was crap. Go figure.

I will say though that Smiths hold their value better, and they have a much better customer service reputation than Taurus, whom I've had the unfortunate experience of dealing with on said turd Model 94.
 
I have a great example of a Taurus model 96. It has been the equal of my S&W 617, but without wanting a duplicate .22 in my collection I've contemplated selling it. No one wants to buy it for what I think it's worth, so here it stays.

"You want how much for a Taurus?" is the common reply.
 
If you want a fine revolver, S&W isn't the answer. They are what they are sold as, medium priced revolvers. While not a .44, I have a Korth in .357 Magnum that makes a S&W action, accuracy, and fit and finish look like a Yugo parked amongst Ferraris.

The various Colt offerings were also clearly superior to even the mystical "old models". The King Cobra, Python, and so on leave S&W fit and finish in 10th place in a six place race.

If you're going to advise someone to "save up for a better gun", at least have them do it FOR a better gun.
 
Taurus revolvers are made in Flordia, using both domestic and Brazilan parts.
They may do some work down in FL but if they were actually put together here, wouldn't they say "made in USA"? The Taurus I owned for awhile said Made in Brazil on the frame. I was under the impression that Taurus USA in Miami, FL was simply the importer and customer service 'hub' for Forjas Taurus of Brasil.
 
I now want a Ruger. I don't have a clue which is better between Redhawk, Blackhawk, and Vaquero. Can anyone help me out here. Which one is more durable and better?
mustang45,
The Redhawk is a DA/SA revolver with adjustable sights.

The Blackhawk is a SA only revolver with adjustable sights. Currently they are chambered in .357 Magnum, .41 Magnum, 30 Carbine and .45 Colt so if you want a .44 Magnum you will need to buy a Super Blackhawk.

The Vaquero is a SA only revolver with fixed sights. It's similar to a Colt SSA revolver and not really good for hunting. It's chambered in .357 Magnum and .45 Colt.

All are durable because Ruger overbuilds their revolvers. (and that's not a bad thing) Most who hunt with a revolver prefer a single action revolver because they are easier to shoot well. The trigger on a SA revolver usually breaks very cleanly which aids in shooting well. The Redhawk is also a good revolver for hunting if you want the capability to shoot Double Action since you always have the option to shoot SA too. The Vaquero really isn't a good hunting revolver, it's more suited for Cowboy Action Shooting than hunting.

Hope this helps a little....
 
Korth

I never heard of it, but then there are a lot of things of which I am not aware.

I took the liberty to check the cost of a 6" 357 Magnum Korth revolver (blued).
Sit down. The MSRP is $5,000

The Korth series of Revolvers is one of the most expensive revolver designs in the world and many consider them to be the finest in the world. This German revolver design is carefully crafted. The revolver design is available is .22 Long Rifle, .22 Magnum, .32 S&W, .38 Special, 9 mm, and .357 Magnum.
copied from http://www.kitsune.addr.com/Firearms/Revolvers/Korth_Revolver.htm

IMHO, I would rather purchase six to ten S&W revolvers than one Korth, or, perhaps the OP doesn't reload. With that kind of money, the OP can buy a brand new stainless S&W, put new Millett sights of his choice on it (or any other brand, for that matter) and, more than likely, have enough money left over to get into reloading with all new equipment -- possibly INCLUDING a progressive press (capable of reloading up to 600 rounds an hour). In which case, the OP could then work up an accurate load suitable for his/her needs.

The OP was questioning whether they should spend the additional $165 for the S&W over the Taurus. I highly doubt the OP is thinking about spending $5K on a revolver. Maybe I'm wrong. I have been wrong in the past.
 
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They may do some work down in FL but if they were actually put together here, wouldn't they say "made in USA"? The Taurus I owned for awhile said Made in Brazil on the frame. I was under the impression that Taurus USA in Miami, FL was simply the importer and customer service 'hub' for Forjas Taurus of Brasil.

The frame is marked "Made in Brazil," and it is. However if Taurus (or any other foreign gun maker) imports complete guns they pay a stiff tariff, which in turn would end up being paid for by the retail customer.

However if they just import parts the custom duty is much lower. So they import some parts, buy some here, and assemble the guns in Florida. In the end the customer saves. Some foreign car makers do exactly the same thing.
 
S&W's customer service is generally considered to be a gold standard in the gun business. The customer service provided by Taurus can best be described as spotty (although, to be fair, it does have its advocates as well as its detractors).

I've had to use S&W's customer service on a couple of occasions, and it was a pleasure to deal with those folks. For that reason alone, I wouldn't ever hesitate to recommend an S&W-backed product.
 
Taurus

When Taurus first came out and I was in the market for a revolver, all I needed to see was "Made in Brazil" on the piece and "Made in USA" on the Smith & Wesson, and I bought the Smith & Wesson without hesitation - to the gun dealer's disatisfaction, as he wanted me to buy the Taurus (perhaps the markup was more for the Taurus than for the S&W).

When I looked closely at the workings, the cylinder locking, and other features, I could clearly see that the S&W was a much better revolver. That was my opinion. As shown in other posts within this thread, opinions vary widely. The "checkbook" has a lot to do with the purchase as well.

This was not my only experience with S&W. I have owned several S&W revolvers going back to around 1983. All have been stainless. I had a 357 6" and a 44 4". I currently have a new 500 4" for which I load and with which I hunt.
 
Yes, owning both the revolver, and the semi-auto, I can honestly say that they are so much superior to S&W's offerings as to make it no contest.

That's an extreme example of what we see here. Do any of us buy a Prius expecting it's performance to be the equal of a BMW? No, we don't. At the various price breaks, standard features, and fit and finish, vary. Guns are the same.

S&W is, on average, at least 25-30% more expensive than Taurus. Both shoot bullets with the same relative accuracy. My experiences with 12 (now) of them has been that they are quite durable. I have several pistols and revolvers that have passed the 15K mark, without any repair or replacement except my own regimen of recoil springs in semi-autos at 5000 rounds.

I own more S&W revolvers. These are all pre-lock guns, many from the pre-War era. I've had a brand new Model 625-3 fail on the first shot, when the hand broke. Took S&W six weeks to get it back to me. I have had a Model 29-4 shoot loose with 500 rounds of factory .44 magnum ammo. I have a Model 19-6 that showed cracks in the forcing cone after fewer than 2000 rounds, about three-quarters of them .357 Magnum factory loads.

The K frame S&W, when used with Magnum loads, will self-destruct in as few as 2000 rounds. The "L" frame was designed because of this.

S&W had to beef up the Model 29, but only after decades of production, because it became known that the revolvers would shoot-loose in an amazingly short period of time.

It's all a matter of opinion. I, for the one, have owned, and do own, many of the pistols made by both manufacturers. The Taurus guns get used, while the S&Ws tend to sit, and look pretty, which they are very good at.

As for buying six S&W pistols for my Korth, why? I wanted a gun that was the epitome of the art. Just like people who buy Pythons, or Performance Shop guns (pale imitations, to be sure). If we all were worried about prices, we'd be shooting .22s.:)
 
Searcher451,

I am now dealing with my first ever S&W experience. I acquired a 686 in a trade, after firing a few cylinder fulls of .38 SPL reloads, then attempting to extract the shells, the cylinder came off of the crane. Kind of puzzling as to how this could happen, but it did. I don't know the history beyond "used".

S&W's customer service is generally considered to be a gold standard in the gun business. The customer service provided by Taurus can best be described as spotty (although, to be fair, it does have its advocates as well as its detractors).
How long did it take for your problem to be taken care of?

I've had to use S&W's customer service on a couple of occasions, and it was a pleasure to deal with those folks. For that reason alone, I wouldn't ever hesitate to recommend an S&W-backed product.
Since this is a first for me, I find this reassuring. Did you get a phone call, or an E-mail stating when your S&W would be back?

Thanks!
 
There are a few manufacturers I won't buy. Taurus & Rossi are two of them.

Pay a little more and get a S&W or Ruger.
 
Of Korth, that comment was meant for the "get what you pay for" crowd. I'm carrying a M85 today. The other day on my collection rounds (usually have several hundred bucks in quarters on me in some bad areas) I was toting my 3" Taurus M66 with my M85UL in my pocket as back up. I was as well armed as anyone using Smith and Wessons. Both these guns are accurate, powerful enough, and reliable. I sort of like the combination as I can carry .38+P for reloads in speed strips and use 'em in either gun.

I actually beat 11 Smith and Wessons in a revolver shoot the other day with my Taurus 4" 66, bone stock, no trigger work. It was a pepper popper timed shoot, all DA. I quite enjoy that, whippin' up on thousand dollar revolvers with my 200 dollar Taurus that just happens to be the most accurate medium frame revolver I've ever owned among 2 Smiths and a Ruger. :D
 
For resale value S&W, for quality S&W. For a cheap price Taurus. I have one a Raging Bull .353 casull. It is in the shop for a trigger job and forcing cone reduction. It is to tight.

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4 of them are .44magnums:D
 
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