Taylors

[tws3b2]

Anybody have or know anything about Taylors & Company firearms? Just looking at Dunham sports Taylors & Company Cattleman's Gunfighter 357 mag. 6 shot revolver. I've been wanting a 357 revolver for a while and this one caught my eye. Less than $550.

 

[SlowFuse]

Taylors & Co is good to go. They are just the importer, that gun is made by Uberti.

Uberti makes great reproductions.

 

[ontarget]

Yup. Taylors= Uberti and possibly Pietta. Both good to go.
If the model you are looking at has the matte finish and brass grip frame that price may be a bit steep though.
However if it is the CCH and blued steel model that price isn't far off the prices around here.

 

[MedWheeler]

I've been eyeballing these, too. I want a SA revolver in .357 as well.

 

[Jim Watson]

That model is a mongrel with 1860 Army butt.
Fine if you like the feel but not an authentic reproduction of a Colt.
Price is below list of $577

"6 shot"
I see no mention of any of the gimmick actions meant to allow a sixth round safely under the hammer. Best to assume conventional action and load five.

 

[ontarget]

Both of my Uberti El Patrons have the retractable firing pin but just for consistency sake I still only load 5. Then I don't have to remember which are safe with 6 and which aren't.

 

[Dudemeister]

The Gunfighter is basically the regular cattleman (standard SAA), with a longer, 1860 army grip.

"Less than $550", is only a few bucks below retail, so not a "great" price. Even here in California, I can get that for $500. Maybe what you need to do is ask them for a better deal.

BTW, ask them if this a "tuned" piece. The factory tuned versions cost about $700. If it is a tuned gun, then $550 is a good price.

 

[FFGColorado]

Taylors & Co is good to go. They are just the importer, that gun is made by Uberti.

Uberti makes great reproductions.

Agree and Cimarron also(I think). I have a labeled Beretta, made by Uberti 'Birds' Head, (actually 'Thunderer") and I am VERY pleased with it.

 

[whughett]

I have access to a Uberti Cattleman, owned by eldest son, stored in my safe, in 45C with an additional 45ACP cylinder. It’s base pin has a safety setting the pushes against the hammer preventing it from contacting the firing pin. To me it’s a moot point as the gun isn’t carried or left loaded. As to 5 in revolvers, single or double action, 5 into 50 is better than 6 with two hanging around in the box when on the firing line. In the two calibers mentioned both are as accurate as I can hold a group. The 45ACP has an edge but that could be the hand loads or the bullet.

 

[treedoc1]

Currently $577 from Taylors at list price so a good price, not a great. I ran 2 of these when first starting CAS. I installed the lower running iron hammers, made shooting duelist easier for me. Smoothed, polished action, saw no need for further action job. I switched to Ruger Bisleys in 45 colt just to match my rifles and 1911 and not have to load 38's. Make sure you like the smooth grips.

 

[Jim Watson]

I have access to a Uberti Cattleman, owned by eldest son, stored in my safe, in 45C with an additional 45ACP cylinder. It’s base pin has a safety setting the pushes against the hammer preventing it from contacting the firing pin. To me it’s a moot point as the gun isn’t carried or left loaded. As to 5 in revolvers, single or double action, 5 into 50 is better than 6 with two hanging around in the box when on the firing line. In the two calibers mentioned both are as accurate as I can hold a group. The 45ACP has an edge but that could be the hand loads or the bullet.

The "Swisssafe" base pin first showed up on the Hammerli/Sauer/whoever and soon appeared on the Italian guns. It is a point getter on the import form, not really meant for routine use.
There are Italian revolvers with a hammer block tripped by a plunger into the quarter cock notch. I don't know if it is sturdy enough to really depend on.
Now we are getting retractile firing pins.
I'd rather just load five or buy a NM Ruger.

Five into 50 is convenient. Trivia: 3D commercial reloaders had a 60 round box to come out even in a sixshooter and more importantly to their main customers, to come out even in the PPC 600 then used a lot for police training, qualification, and competition.

 

[treedoc1]

 

[Jim Watson]

Yup, that is the hammer block I referred to, right below the firing pin.

 

[jeff-10]

I bought the Smoke Wagon in 357. It is a touched up Uberti. I cannot recommend it enough. Makes you want to move to Tombstone or Deadwood every time you pick it up. Clicks like a Colt with perfect lock up.

 

[Driftwood Johnson]

Howdy

I cannot speak about the specific revolver being discussed, but yes, Taylors is an importer, and they are top notch in my book.

A whole bunch of years ago I wanted to add a cartridge conversion cylinder to a Remington 1858 Percussion Revolver.

At the time, Taylors was the only company selling a six shot 45 Colt conversion cylinder for that model.

They were offering this cylinder for either an Uberti 1858 or a Pietta 1858. The dimensions were slightly different.

My old Remmie, that I bought way back in 1975, was made by Armi San Paolo, and I did not know which cylinder to buy.

I contacted Taylors and they said send them the revolver and they would fit the right cylinder to it.

That is exactly what I did. I shipped them the percussion revolver. Taylors actually had a gunsmith on the payroll at the time, I don't know if he is still there. He determined that the Pietta cylinder was the best fit for my revolver. First he had to shave a few thousandths off the front of the cylinder so it would fit into the 'window' in the frame for the cylinder. Next he put my revolver on a fixture that measured exactly where the locking slots for the bolt had to be cut on the cylinder, as this was a 'raw' cylinder and did not have the locking slots yet. He cut the locking slots, then sent the cylinder out to have the raw steel blued. And this was all done FOR FREE! I had to buy the cylinder of course, but the gunsmithing was done for free. They put the percussion cylinder back in the gun so it was no longer a firearm, put the cartridge cylinder in its own little box, packaged the whole thing up and sent it back to me. Also FOR FREE!

Customer service does not get much better than that.

Here is a photo of my old Remmie with its cartridge conversion cylinder.

 

[Jim Watson]

A Lady here shoots Taylor SAAs in CAS. Hers were worked up by the house gunsmith, probably what they now charge $150 or so on a "tuned" gun. They are smooth and solid, hard to see room for improvement.

 

[Dudemeister]

I have one, Taylor's engraved Cattleman, beautiful piece, not tuned, but it still has a 2lb trigger, although it could use some improvement on the channel for the hand, if feels a little rough.



But, that's a show piece and was never fired so it doesn't need to be perfectly tuned.

Cimarron also has great versions of Ubertis and Pietta. Both Taylor's and Cimarron will take the standard Uberti and add a little something to it to make it "their own"

Cimarron for example has a line of movie gun replicas, like the man with no Name snake grip models, or the Holy Smoker or Doc Holiday's Thunderer.

https://www.cimarron-firearms.com/products/hollywood-series.html

 

[Oldschool shooter]

I have the predecessor to the Cattleman, the Regulator. It is solid and shoots well. It has the fixed firing pin in the hammer, so 5 rounds carrying it loaded. Great fun to shoot and took a 4 point whitetail with it 2 years ago at 20 yards. Getting the itch for another single action.

 

[Hokkmike]

Shoot a Taylor Smoke Wagon Deluxe in .45LC. One of the nicest pistols I have ever owned. All this inspired by an interest in SASS shooting.

 

[leather]

Taylor's are good people to deal with. I just bought a conversion cylinder for my Ruger Old Army. I installed new cylinder and all is good. I recommend them. K

 

[AlexanderA]

At the time, Taylors was the only company selling a six shot 45 Colt conversion cylinder for that model.

They were offering this cylinder for either an Uberti 1858 or a Pietta 1858. The dimensions were slightly different.

My old Remmie, that I bought way back in 1975, was made by Armi San Paolo, and I did not know which cylinder to buy.

I have a Euroarms (Armi San Paolo) Remmie, as well as an Uberti Remmie. The Howell 5-shot conversion cylinder for the Uberti is a drop-in fit for the Armi San Paolo. Keep in mind, however, that the specs for these guns changed over the years. My Armi San Paolo is ten years newer than yours.

 

[Driftwood Johnson]

Keep in mind, however, that the specs for these guns changed over the years. My Armi San Paolo is ten years newer than yours.

Howdy Again

Yes, the specs did change over the years. As I said, the gunsmith at Taylors used a Pietta cylinder for my conversion. Mine is six shots, not five.






Ken Howell obtained a patent on his six shot 45 Colt conversion cylinder for the 1858 Remington chambered for 45 Colt. The cylinder size of the 1858 Remington is not large enough to chamber six 45 Colt cartridges without the rims over lapping. What Howell did was angle the chambers slightly, less than 1/2 of one degree, so that at the rear the chambers were spread out enough to allow six 45 Colt cartridges to be seated without the rims over lapping. He then patented the idea of angling the chambers slightly. Taylors was the sole distributor for his cylinders, he was selling them under the name R&D. At some point Howell sold the rights to his patent to Taylors. He started his own company, Howell Arms, at some point, but because he had sold his patent to Taylors he could not infringe on the patent and offer a 45 Colt cylinder for the 1858 Remington with angled chambers. So all of Howell's 45 Colt or 45 ACP cylinders for the 1858 only have five chambers. When Howell sold his patent to Talylors they began having the cylinders made by someone else, I do not know who.

https://www.howellarms.com/1858-remington




Howell does offer a 44 Colt cylinder for the 1858, with six chambers, since the cartridge diameter and rim diameter of 44 Colt is slightly less than 45 Colt. The chambers for the 44 Colt cylinder to not need to be angled. I read somewhere recently that the patent on Howell's angled chamber cylinder has expired, but I have not seen any changes in Howell's line up of 45 caliber cylinders to reflect that.



My six chambered 45 Colt cylinder for my 1858 Remington can accomodate the slightly larger diameter rims of 45 Schofield too.







Before anyone asks, 1/2 of one degree of angle on the chambers does not affect anything. They are completely safe, and the chamber dimensions on my 1858 cylinder are so tight that my 1858 EuroArms Remmie is the most accurate revolver I own chambered for 45 Colt. More accurate than my Colts, Uberti, or Rugers. The cylinder is so precise that I use it as a cartridge gauge when loading 45 Colt. Anything that does not drop right into the chambers of the Remmie cylinder would still chamber in a Colt, Uberti, or RUger, but I run them through the crimp die again so they will chamber in the Remington Conversion cylinder.



Anyway, this has gotten a bit far afield. Taylors is one of several importers that import Italian made revolvers, but because of the excellent service I have gotten from them, I consider them to be the best of the importers.