Tell me about your AR to AK and AK to AR switches

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I want to hear from those of you who switched from one platform to another and haven't looked back.

I used to be a die hard AK guy. I've since become fond of the AR platform, for reasons that only those who have owned both can understand. Suffice it to say, while the AK offers extreme reliability, even holding one in my hand feels foreign to me now after experiencing the AR's light weight and ergonomics.

But with that said, I have seen some guys go from AR to AK because of the time they dropped their AR in muck and it jammed every other round, while the AK subjected to the same test didn't.

Tell us your stories...
 
I have a history of military service in my family, and as a kid I admired the M16's sleek look, plus I played lots of Goldeneye 64 where the AK looks like a duracell battery and the m16 is sleek and powerful. Once I got into actual guns, I always like the look of the AK, and the ergonomics of it, I feel the Ar/M16's carry handle sights are too high and I had trouble using the awkward charging handle. I also have noticed that AR magazines are a lot less durable.

The AK is simplistic, cheaper than most ARs, plenty accurate for most situations (most I see do about 4-5" groups at 100 yards, and is easier to train on. The ejection pattern is also easier for lefties, as the AKs I have shot eject them forward and the AR is more or less perpendicular to the gun. I also have seen ARs that had about 20000 rounds and AKs at 20000 rounds, both were milled receivers and the AK's internals looked much less beaten up, the AR had some minor warping, while the AK did not, however the AK did need its plastic handguards replaced from warping.
 
Timeless argument. Both rifles were designed to fill a similar roll, but at the major decision points in the development, the USSR and USA chose differently.

Which ever you value more today....

I say get both!:D
 
Timeless argument. Both rifles were designed to fill a similar roll, but at the major decision points in the development, the USSR and USA chose differently.

Which ever you value more today....

I say get both!


Did you read my post? I have had both. I asked for stories from those who switched from one platform to another and never looked back. I already told mine.
 
In the late '80's, the Infantry Battalion I was assigned to had the opportunity to shoot the standard field fire course (pop-ups to 300m) in Germany using AKs.

I was very underwhelmed at the practical accuracy due to the crude sights.

I do have an AK, but one day a Ultimak with a RDS will correct those horrible sights and the AK will actually be competitive.

BTW, it's wasn't just me, I watched my company fire for score. Consensus was that the sights really limited things. We were using M16A2s at the time.
 
I have AKs, but I don't train with them. I shoot them a few times a year... I am glad I have them, but if they disappeared into a pvc tube I wouldn't miss them much.

I am faster from shot to shot with an AR, mag changes are faster and I am much more accurate past 100 yards.

I do really appreciate the 7.62x39 cartridge and I have a high interest in the new Sig 556R. I am still waiting to hear how they hold up but I can see myself getting one in a few years.
 
I went:

1.) Mini-30 (First rifle. Worked. Never got better than 6 MOA, but never tried hard.)
2.) SKS (Accurate and reliable, but heavy and long. [Yugo])
3.) AK-47 (Fun, but not ergonomic and not really accurate. Reliable.)
4.) Mini-14 (Reliable, same accuracy as SKS, halfway decent ergonomics.)
5.) AR-15 (Best ergos, best accuracy, best parts support, best to reload for.)

I'm sticking with ARs now. :)
 
If I had to go back to war and lead a Marine Corps rifle platoon again I would want everyone to be armed with an M16/M4 or varient. The AK47/74 is a great rifle for it's intentions but not up to U.S. military standards. The M16/M4platform is lighter and more accurate but does require more maintenance. In a non military survival situation I'd prefer the AK47/74 because I would probably not be shooting at anything beyond 100 yards and the reliability with minimal maintenance trumps lighter and more accurate in a survival situation. I do own a couple of each though. Now disregarding both those senarios, and just considering a rifle to occassionally take to the range and shoot, it would be whichever one lights your fire.
 
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Many Cold War years ago, every man in my unit was issued a select fire, folding stock Romanian AKMS in 7.62 x 39. These served as our primary armament although every man was also issued an M16A1.

Our wartime mission dictated us going deep into the rear of Warsaw Pact territory and aerial resupply after infiltration was realistically never going to happen. It made sense to use the same weapon as our potential foe for several reasons:

1. Using enemy ammo allowed us to conduct battlefield recovery / resupply
2. Using AKs would allow us to avail ourselves of parts, repairs, or magazines found locally (hopefully from a guerrilla force)
3. Using enemy ammo would give us the small auditory advantage of potentially confusing the enemy during a contact (all weapons firing would sound alike)
4. Any Resistance movement would no doubt be AK equipped and thus our advisory/training role demanded that we have intimate familiarity with the weapon to be carried by our new allies

We carried them, swam with them, jumped them, trained with them (live & blank), and conducted all of our qualification shooting with them. We tended to shoot both M16s & AKs any time we fired for record. What I noticed as an instructor was that good marksmen had no difficulty qualifying expert on Army qualification ranges with either weapon...while poor or average shots invariably posted higher scores with the M16A1.

At the time, most of our mid-to-senior grade veterans of SE Asia were very familiar with the AK and some had (on occasion) carried them in combat. Although they all respected the weapon, none of them were particularly enamored of the AK and, to a man, preferred the M16A1. We were then (1970s-1980s) very much focused on long term Guerrilla Warfare scenarios conducted in rural areas (same-same as Partisan Operations during WWII). Combat marksmanship was very much locked into distance shooting across open country or woodland and with an ancillary focus upon close range contact drills in heavy vegetation. All of this left over from the previous couple of wars...

As we gradually began to focus more on the necessity for conducting urban combat ops...and started to develop modern CQB concepts...we realized just how horrible the AK was for conducting those ops when compared to the ergonomically superior AR. Of course, the M16A2s we were temporarily saddled with weren't all that hot for the purpose either (due to their length, poor balance, and weight).

Eventually we fielded the updated version of the old CAR-15, and issued everyone M4A1s...and never looked back.

The old Romanian AKs went to wherever elephants go to die. With the demise of the Warsaw Pact, there was no longer a valid reason to keep them except for running familiarization training.

I went into Afghanistan with 5th SFG in late 2001 and just returned from Iraq in 2011. There have been many deployments in between (all equipped with an M4A1). I've kept a locally procured AKM or AKMS available as a spare weapon on all those deployments. Those AKs never left the wire or vehicle. Typically, everyone keeps a few stashed in operations centers, cave mouths, bunkers, vehicles, or sleeping quarters just to have backup firepower and the ability to arm folks who might not normally have an issued long gun. Why not? AKs are essentially free when downrange and everyone likes to have extra toys.

I've known a handful of contractors who had to carry AKs due to poor logistical support or host nation mandate. I've seen a few folks carry one because 1) they weren't issued a rifle or 2) they just wanted to be different (and could get away with it). I am aware of a few US troops who temporarily carried AKs to make up for a shortfall in long-gun issue, usually tankers (who were not all MTOE issued an M16 for the 2003 invasion of Iraq).

Although everyone keeps extra AKs around as emergency backups, I've never seen any US SOF voluntarily carrying one on a mission. I've seen teams carry them as confidence builders when training AK-armed indigenous troops. Seeing their American mentors carrying the same weapon as they do instills confidence among the locals, but when the rubber meets the road...and there is a mission to do...it's AR all the way for US troops. Here's why:

The AK has abysmal ergonomics for a rapidly evolving CQB fight. The Safety/Selector switch is one of the most poorly placed designs ever fielded, magazine changes are excruciatingly slow compared to the AR, the weapon is not conducive to mounting optics or accessories, the trigger pull is atrocious, practical accuracy is not nearly as good as an AR, ammo is heavier, and lethality not as great as with 5.56. Lastly...opening up with a weapon that has a different sound signature is a sure-fire way to draw friendly fire. No thanks.

I have owned several personal semi-auto AKs over the years and appreciate the robust simplicity of the design. The otherwise useless folding stock is handy for operations in aircraft, vehicles, and boats as well as making for a very compact and jump-able weapon. However, a folding stock blows for practical use (getting hits). When both AKs and ammo were dirt cheap in the US, it was hard to argue against owning one. Nowadays, not so much (although a $400 - $500 CAI AK and 1000 rounds of ammo is still a financial deal compared to more expensive black rifles & pricier bulk 5.56).

Although I intellectually believe that the AK is a more mechanically reliable system than the AR, I've never noticed any practical advantage that would weigh in the AK's favor and cause me to prefer it over an AR. I've seen just as many hard broke AKs in the real world as I've seen clapped out ARs. I've also never experienced the alleged internet shortcomings of DI when carrying the AR. My M4A1s (and those of my unit) have worked quite reliably for many years, under atrocious conditions, and with high round counts. YMMV.

In summary, although I've always been around AKs and owned AKs, I've never remotely considered carrying one in preference to an AR...except for when my entire military unit was deliberately armed with AKs (and out of logistical considerations vice actual weapon performance). I have periodically owned different AKs just because I enjoy a variety in my firearms collection.

Just my $.02
 
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I was not a skilled user prior to 2005. I had purchased several AR-15's and they had reliability problems. I swore off semi-auto rifles for a few years and just used lever and bolt action guns. A friend convinced me to attend an AK-47 rifle class. I didn't even have an AK, but that was a good thing. I was able to try several rifles and figure out what I wanted.

I have since acquired a high end AR-15. It works fine. I have trained with it.

I have no trouble switching between platforms either. I know how both work both and know where the controls are. If you train with the guns you have, I believe you'll become a better shooter.
 
It seems like most serious shooters would appreciate both types of guns and not just forget about one type after using the other. I know I will always enjoy both of these types of guns.
 
I switched from a romanian SAR-1 to an armilite AR-15, and have never looked back, the SAR-1 was fun to shoot and reliable, but it had a trigger slap I could not get rid of, and the butt stock was too short for my long arms, the armilite fixed all that.
 
Thanks Chindo18z for such a pragmatic and realistic view of both platforms. Filled with facts and information. I still prefer the AK but respect someone who is able to tell his side without resorting to hyperbole.
 
All my buddies told me that once I get an AR I'll never look at the AK again... I'm sorry but I love the AK...The next rifle I bought after the AR was another AK..I never liked the fact that you can't build something from scratch...I like to cut drill and tap things...I hit the target wat too much with an AR... I get bored real fast.. Don't get me wrong, the AR is cool but the cut drill and tap thing doesn't go a long way...
 
I can get more hits,faster with an AR15 type rifle than I can with an AK so my go-to rifle is an AR.

I shoot lefty, so ergonomically the AK works for me quite well but the better sights,better sight mounting options, better recoil characteristics and less bobble prone magazine changes of the AR make it the winner.
 
I bought a 16" AR and had a bit of fun with it. It was a budget brand. Nothing special but worked well enough for everything I did. Found a good deal on an AK and tried it. Again, cheap and nothing special, but it worked well enough. Never really had much affection for either. Then I sold both and ran into a deal on a Stag AR. It ran well also but really did nothing special. Sold that one and now have a spare Colt lower waiting for an upper and have a proper National Match rifle with a Giessele hi speed trigger and WOP (not WOA) upper. That rifle makes me grin every time I pick it up. The trigger in the Colt is decent for a single stage as well, but nothing like the Giessele. I'm hoping to get a flattop upper with a 16" barrel and the basic smooth float tube in a midlength size for an upper for the Colt. I think that would do any field work I'm looking for and the NM rifle works very well at the range.

After using average parts on both, I can see how a mediocre opinion could be formed of either rifle. Moving to better components (in my case trigger and barrel) made a world of difference in the enjoyment of the rifle.
 
Started with an AK.

Own mostly all AR15's now. However, the AK is a great gun and I have no problem with them. I wish I still owned one.
 
Well, I haven't given one up for the other, but I was a serious anti-AR person for a long time, at least up until they became available in an alternative caliber that interested me. I wasn't convinced the DI system was that great either.
I owned a milled receiver AK and was happy with it, it is reliable and I'm accurate with it. When I looked at ARs in those alternative calibers I decided to give it a try and have been tickled with it. I couldn't believe what I had been missing, but I'm not giving up either one ever.
 
Never liked the looks or the feel of the AK. Was not all that fond of the AR either but seemed to have acquired many variants in spite of my lack of excitement. SKs I always liked the looks of and after some work seems to be a good beater rifle for me; however, my go to will always be an AR simply because it fills so many mission rolls.
 
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My first rifle was a Ruger mini-14 Ranch Rifle, but I transitioned to a Romanian AK (SAR-1) in 2003 and really enjoyed it:

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Magazine changes are decently fast if you change-and-charge with the support hand, and the rest of the ergonomics aren't so bad. The safety placement is extremely awkward, though, and if I had it to do over again I would have run an Aimpoint H-1/Ultimak combo instead of the Kobra (for cowitness and better cheek weld), finances permitting.


A couple of years ago, I sold the mini-14 and a pistol in order to purchase a mid-market AR, which is now my primary USPSA and HD carbine:

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It took me a while to trust the AR's reliability (unfortunately I had swallowed the "AR's jam if not kept clean" BS and it took me a while to unlearn that), and switching to a new manual of arms took a little adjustment, but on the whole I am pleased with it. I set the AR up with a BCM charging handle so I could easily charge with the left hand, which made the transition from the AK a little easier for me.

My main reason for preferring this AR over this AK is caliber; the SAR-1 is 7.62x39mm, and .223 Remington is IMHO a somewhat better HD round if you live in the suburbs, since there are a wider variety of good defensive loads available and .223 JHP penetrates less in building materials than even 7.62x39mm 124gr 8M3 JHP. But I also like the accuracy and the adjustable stock, magazines are much lighter, and my splits in USPSA are certainly much faster with light-recoiling .223/5.56mm than with 7.62x39mm. And as far as HD goes, you can leave an AR safety on and flick it off in an instant if you need to, whereas with an AK you pretty much have to be safety-off if you think you might need to use the rifle imminently. So while I am still very much an AK fan, the move to an AR has met my needs and wants very well.

I think the hardest part about transitioning to the AR was deciding what configuration I wanted. I really like what I ended up with (no-frills 16" midlength, Eotech, light at 10:00) but it took me a while to figure out what I wanted. If I had to do it over again, I probably would have gone with a BCM upper and a lighter-profile barrel, but other than that I wouldn't change a thing.
 
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