Testing the Razor (belt) sword

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Well, as I was headed back to Augusta, it occurred to me that a version of this without a pointed tip- would still be extremely effective for SD and probably legal in many more places.

It would be called something other than "Razor Sword". I called Curt and suggested it to him.

I would tend to think it would legally be a flail or whip.

John
 
it occurred to me that a version of this without a pointed tip- would still be extremely effective for SD and probably legal in many more places.
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In CA under state law (many locations have various more restrictive local ordinances) any size blade can be carried openly. Folders concealed.
Batons or flails and other blunt instruments are illegal felonies, but if it has a blade then it is legal.

If it is concealed then a fixed blade is only illegal if it is usable as a stabbing instrument. For that reason it is technicaly legal to carry a concealed flat tipped machete/cleaver or hatchet/axe etc in CA, but a wooden stick with a handle (or a concealed screwdriver carried as a weapon) is a felony.

So under CA law you would actualy want to insure it was sharpened so it would qualify as a legal blade rather than an illegal sap, billy etc blunt instrument.


Further, with a setup that the handle was visible, if not tucked under a shirt, it is arguably a legal sheath or scabbard on a belt, just horizontal rather than vertical. So with a tucked in shirt this thing could be legal as long as it is sharpened.
Since any fixed blade, even a stabbing instrument, can be carried openly from the belt in CA it could be legal if the sheath or scabbard was not concealed. Then it is technicaly just a blade carried in an open legal manner.
(Though I would not want to be the one depending on that court case to prevail, especialy since the marketing is that of a concealed weapon, even if legaly it is not concealed under the law.)

Sometimes it is amazing how much the law can contradict common sense. Giant broadsword that can cut a man in half? Legal per state law carried openly. Remove the blade and attach a wooden dowel to the hilt? Felony.

Be sure to know your laws.
 
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Don't expect the average street cop to know that though. Just like technicaly it is legal to carry a pistol openly if it is unloaded even with ammunition on your person.
Yet even someone on this forum posted about being arrested and is now dealing with resulting charges of legaly carrying an unloaded firearm.
 
Might not be a bad idea for those who do something that LEO might not be aware if legal to keep a copy of applicable law with them.
 
Keeping a copy of the law may or may not do you any good (I do, but then I want every chance I can get.) since the LEO may not be receptive and simply default to letting the DA decide the finer points of the law. If you have something "unusual" it is always a good idea to have corroborating documentation of your explanation since LEO A may be motivated to consult with LEO Sergeant who may advise LEO A to uncuff you and turn you loose (much cheaper than having to post bond and then have the DA drop the charges).
 
BeltSword Testing

I am in the middle of a lot of work so please excuse my short reply for now.

First I am humbled by people like, John, Derek, Byron, and Phillip (the Father-in-Law) that actually took time from their busy schedule to meet me and test the BeltSword system.

I harbor no resentment from the initial comments posted on THR as I certainly deserved the questioning. I am a better man for the experience.

Below: Answers to some comments posted!

First, I agree that I am very fortunate and lucky to have the opportunity to have an independent third party evaluate the BeltSword System. This does not happen often.

Second, the ability of the RazorSword to hold a near razor sharp edge should be rather good. The reason is the hardness of the 1075 high carbon steel of a HRC 54-57; that is as hard as the Kabar knife. Flexibility should not affect the ability to hold an edge. In the future the larger heavier RazorSwords will be made of 1095 high carbon spring steel.

Third, the offer to have person(s) help with suggestion with my web site is welcome. Please be patient as time and money is at a premium…it will take time to effect changes.

Again I wish to thank everyone that participated in this adventure. I will keep in touch with John and give him any additional information that he may request.

Thanks, Curtis W. Koehler “RazorMan”
 
Guys,

Curt has forwarded some emails to me. I can't say who it was specifically, but he has at least been requested to demonstrate his products to some Special Operations Guys and by a state attorney general, for potential use by their narcotics guys who might be subject to a pat-down.

John
 
Good for him. I don't think his product is for me BUT I know how hard it is to bring your ideas (dreams) to life, and then convince others it's a good product. Anyone observing this thread that wants to sell something can learn a lot about how your presentation can adversly affect people's initial impression - and it had nothing to do if the thing even worked!

I hope he sells a miliion of 'em. :)
 
Well, it does seem like a gimmick, but it works.

Curt plans to make wider as well as thicker blades, but I think there will be diminishing returns on very wide blades. I don't think most people will want to go with wider loops than than those commonly found on jeans, when the standard width belt swords will already bite deeply enough to stop a threat with one good cut.

J
 
John, you wrote,
JShirley said:
You really don't feel the belt sword much. It's like a stiff belt.
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If it's been mentioned, I mised it: is it easy to wear a carry holster on the belt system? Does the RazorSword setup have the attributes that are important in a good, sturdy gun belt? Would a pistol holster interfere with drawing the sword?
 
Brian, that testing can be next.

My initial response would be that it would depend on where you mount the holster, but let me play with it, and see. I have several Razor Swords here, and should be getting a belt sized to fit me in a few days.

John
 
In states that use weapons permits instead of handgun permits carrying it wouldn't be a violation of the law for the permit holder.
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Just wanted to add, I think some states call them handgun permits but make exemptions from the concealed weapons laws if someone has one. MD is one of those states where it is called a handgun permit, but any weapon (besides maybe full auto firearms) can be concealed with the permit.
 
Again, be warned that the video section is considered Not Safe For Work (NSFW).

If you follow the link, and then look on the lower right hand side, the "Load Razor Sword" and "Close-up Deployment" links will let members see how the sword is loaded/slid into the tracks or segments and presented.

J
 
Good to read the review. As i stated on the original thread about this i dont feel that its anything i am interested in owning , but i do wish the inventor success with his business.
 
Sorry to dredge up this thread, but why do the razor swords come dull? For safety? And, can you sharpen them up and wear them normally? Or do they need to be dull to keep in the belt?

Thanks,

-John
 
John,

I apologize for not following up with more information. The dullness is chiefly a liability issue. Yes, they can be sharpened quickly on a grinder, and carried in the belt since the sword rides on "tracks" (small segments). I would suggest practice with a dull version first.


With a little more time on the system, I can tell you that people really need to try these out before deciding they're going to carry the largest model! Every "body" is different, and this is definitely not a one-size fits all tool.
 
Hm. It looks like these things are absolutely impossible to safely sheath without taking the belt off. Is that correct?
 
That's correct. Then again, you're only going to pull it out in a life and death situation, so I don't see that as a major challenge.
 
JS: Not to be a smartass, but I wonder how the razor sword would stack up against a real short sword, bayonet, or large knife like a Kukhri?

My guess is not too well, so this might be a good last-ditch self-defense weapon for H2H, but against someone wielding a large knife or short sword, I don't think it would work too hot.

IMHO, its best feature is also its worst drawback - it's too flexible.

Fleataxi
 
Most stabbings occur with small knives, not swords or large knives. This seems like it would work in that situation.
 
Haven't seen too many short sword attacks lately so I'm not too sure that I'd worry about putting it up against a "real" sword.
 
Fleataxi: not to be a smartass, but did you read the first half of this thread? That was kind of the whole point of most of the testing.




...but if you're unable to decipher pictures, the Razor Sword has range over any kukuri or bayonet, and...no, dammit. Look at the pictures. You can "kinda" see what it's capable of. :rolleyes:
 
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