Testing the trigger on rifles, true test or not?

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like the one where you can slap a seatbelt connection & it will open.

I'm not familiar with this trick. Can anyone elaborate?

As far as the safety, yes it's a valid test. It's valid in that it is possible to have this event happen in real life. In truth, you could just drop the rifle straight on the butt from a port arms type of height.
Now, what it is not is a comprehensive test. Just because a trigger pases the bump test does not mean that it will never discharge when dropped from some other angle, from a higher height, or if the bolt is closed abruptly, or some other maneuver. But, the fact that many pistols and some rifles incorporate a "trigger safety" (in truth, it's a drop safety) tells you that a dropped gun discharging is a real occurrence. Ruger, in fact, had to recall the SR9 to add a trigger dingus when it was found that their gun would fire if dropped.
 
So you've never used a good one is what you are telling me.

A good two stage trigger allows you to maintain nice positive sere engagement surfaces that are large enough to provide a high degree of safety from undesired discharge, while at the same time rendering a light to very light sere release on the 2nd stage due to the design of the trigger mechanism.

For example the Geissele 2 stage trigger depending on variant will usually offer a 2 pound first stage that takes up the majority of the actual sere travel, due to the high degree of care in manufacturing this first stage is smooth as glass. Upon reaching the end of the first stage, the trigger by design will not release the sere until an additional spring is overcome that is not loaded until the initial travel has been taken out. This second stage is nominally an additional 2 pounds or lighter, and is a crisp consistent break. They also offer lighter 2 stage units, typically with the 2nd stage being lighter down to around 1.5 pounds. Because most of the sere travel has occurred at this point the 2nd stage trigger travel is very short, just like a single stage trigger.

What the shooter feels or perceives is a trigger that smoothly takes up to where the sere will break, and a very light crisp trigger once you take up that slack and get to the "wall" of the 2nd stage. Because of this the trigger will feel much lighter than it actually is, and in reality it might as well be from a marksmanship standpoint since you are not fighting with the total trigger weight all at once to overcome the sere travel needed to break the shot. So while a 4.5lb single stage trigger will feel oppressively heavy, a 4.5lb 2 stage can feel phenomenal when set up correctly because what you perceive and what you really get is a trigger that breaks with the weight of the take-up which you won't even notice and then a crisp let off with another 2 pounds of pressure. So it feels like a crisp 2 pound trigger, makes the rifle perform like it has a 2 pound trigger, but has a safety margin like a 4.5lb trigger.

In all honesty at this point I shoot 2 stage triggers better than I do single stage triggers, I find the first stage of take up and super predictable "wall" of the second stage allow me to consistently break shots when I want to. Anyone who has shot very light single stage triggers has experienced the hated shot where you are refining your sight picture and the gun goes bang while you were trying to start building pressure on the trigger.

When shooting quickly, there is no real performance difference outside of gun games between the two, just press through the trigger.



I have my favorite Mosin-Nagant's trigger set at 1.75lb first stage and 2.5lb second stage. The rifle is also MOA capable, though I'm not any longer.

It takes the trigger pull out of the equation for me.

Regards,
Josh
 
Triggers: One size certainly does not fit all.

At the risk of being flamed beyond thrice-burnt ash, I'll only admit to having some rifles with very light single stage triggers reserved for bench rest only.

No one but the Wife and I shoot these. (We also have 'general purpose' rifles, but they seldom see any use.)

Be safe, have fun!
 
Buy a quality 2 stage trigger, they can render an effective low 2nd stage while still being safe to handle.

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I like 2 stage triggers,,, as long as bringing the center blade back to the trigger face is stage 1 and 'a touch more' is stage 2!!! :D

(I've heard of folks adjusting their blade springs down as well, but 'I'm alright' for now,,,)

The following may be disturbing to sensitive viewers,,, You have been warned!

I have one trigger that has nothing but the blade spring in it,,, 'Trigger' spring was removed a long time ago,,, Even then, it's not the lightest trigger I have,,,

All in all, there really is no 'universal constant' as to what you can do with triggers as trigger design varies a lot from one firearm to the next as well as differences in your application.

Make sure your gear is properly maintained, in good shape mechanically, and that it's 'predictable'. The rest is up to you!

Be safe and have fun!
 
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