Texas: Campus-carry bills are dying!!

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Any bill that hasn't cleared one chamber by Monday, May 11th is dead. We're about to lose both campus-carry bills (HB1893 & SB1164). If the Calendars Committee doesn't send HB1893 to the floor in the next day or two, it's dead. If Senator Duncan doesn't have his committee vote on SB1164 TODAY, it's dead.

If you care about campus security and the campus-carry bills, then stop what you are doing and get on the phone to everyone on the Calendars Committee and to Senator Duncan. Send faxes also, if you can. As always, be polite, but it wouldn't hurt to politely advise them that you are aware that they are using delay tactics to avoid even allowing a debate on this issue.

Two years of very hard work, as well as an interim study, is about to go down the political drain. I cannot overstate the importance of everyone getting involved now! Waiting until later or hoping others will make the calls and send faxes will guarantee the demise of both bills.

The true power of the "gun lobby" is in our members and their willingness to quickly answer the call for action. If you want these bills to pass, then it's time to answer that call.

Thanks,
Chas.

House Calendars Committee
Chair: Rep. Brian McCall (512) 469-0594
Vice Chair: Rep. Eddie Lucio III (512) 469-0606
Members:
Rep. Norma Chavez (512) 469-0622
Rep. Garnet Coleman (512) 469-0524
Rep. Byron Cook (512) 469-0730
Rep. Brandon Creighton (512) 469-0726
Rep. Charlie Geren (512) 469-0610
Rep. Jim Keffer 0656
Rep. Lois W. Kolkhorst (512) 469-0600
Rep. Edmund Kuempel (512) 469-0602
Rep. Jim McReynolds (512) 469-0490
Rep. Allan Ritter (512) 469-0706
Rep. Burt R. Solomons (512) 469-0478

Senate State Affairs Committee
Chair: Sen. Robert Duncan (512) 469-0128
Vice Chair: Sen. Bob Deuell (512) 469-0102 (Just tell Sen Deuell THANKS for his strong support!)
Members:
Sen. John Carona (512) 469-0116
Sen. Rodney Ellis (512) 469-0113
Sen. Troy Fraser (512) 469-0124
Sen. Chris Harris (512) 469-0109
Sen. Mike Jackson (512) 469-0111
Sen. Eddie Lucio, Jr. (512) 469-0127
Sen. Leticia Van de Putte (512) 469-0126
 
Those phone numbers are wrong. The prefix is 463. Here's the corrected list:

House Calendars Committee
Chair: Rep. Brian McCall (512) 463-0594
Vice Chair: Rep. Eddie Lucio III (512) 463-0606
Members:
Rep. Norma Chavez (512) 463-0622
Rep. Garnet Coleman (512) 463-0524
Rep. Byron Cook (512) 463-0730
Rep. Brandon Creighton (512) 463-0726
Rep. Charlie Geren (512) 463-0610
Rep. Jim Keffer (512) 463-0656
Rep. Lois W. Kolkhorst (512) 463-0600
Rep. Edmund Kuempel (512) 463-0602
Rep. Jim McReynolds (512) 463-0490
Rep. Allan Ritter (512) 463-0706
Rep. Burt R. Solomons (512) 463-0478

Senate State Affairs Committee
Chair: Sen. Robert Duncan (512) 463-0128
Vice Chair: Sen. Bob Deuell (512) 463-0102 (Just tell Sen Deuell THANKS for his strong support!)
Members:
Sen. John Carona (512) 463-0116
Sen. Rodney Ellis (512) 463-0113
Sen. Troy Fraser (512) 463-0124
Sen. Chris Harris (512) 463-0109
Sen. Mike Jackson (512) 463-0111
Sen. Eddie Lucio, Jr. (512) 463-0127
Sen. Leticia Van de Putte (512) 463-0126
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I'm kind of shocked this thread has garnered more responses. Folks... even if you are not a resident of the state, imagine the precedent this would set if Texas allowed CCW on campus? Other states would be sure to follow. Call, call, call!
 
I just came across this today. Any results from yesterday?

Doh - disregard. Just read the next thread.
 
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Bump to the top...Significant importance!

Please make those calls and faxes, there are only a few days left.
 
haha this thread should be stickied across every thread here, we really need people's support on this!
 
Been calling and faxing and emailing for a week now.

Don't know what these weak minded people are thinking.

At least get it out of committee and to an all up vote.

Very disappointing.
 
I presume these bills prohibit schools from making guns illegal on campus even with a valid permit?

I would also assume that maybe some schools in Texas don't have such a rule maybe?

I agree 100% that this would be a valuable precedent but, in all frankness, the image of the drunken frat guy with a gun is going to be the predominant image in the minds of a lot of people that would otherwise vote pro-RKBA in other scenarios.

This one will be tough sledding I wager. Indiana has not been able to pass such a law either...one of the few Brady Campaign points that we "score" on here...we "loose" lots of points for our lifetime permit, etc etc.
 
Right now it is state law to prohibit carry on "schools" of any kind.

This particular bill would remove the restriction on colleges and universities, both public and private.

The restriction on K-12 schools would remain in place.

Its not so much the images of drunken frat boys as it is the political and financial influence of some private colleges with DEEEEEP pockets.
 
I urge everyone who is able to call and push for this bill to do so. It took me about 15 minutes to call all of the listed individuals and let them know my position. It is something that is very personal to me since I am a UT student with a CHL. Thank you.
 
I thought the private colleges were exempt. The private college presidents have lobbied and gone to Austin to oppose the bill.

Several faculty senates have passed resolutions opposing the bill.

The opposition is based on:

1. Perceived greater liability from armed folks on doing bad campus compared to the payoff for rampage shooters. The private property pukes then rave about such laws violating their private property rights but in reality this is a just a cover story for the liability whores.

2. General antipathy to guns. It's an instrument of force - better to have prevention than bring more instruments of force on campus.

3. The fear of irresistible from the young causing problems on campus - dorms, bad grades, that's my women - kind of thing. Faculty have enough experience with dumb kids. We just lost one dead to a typical drunk accident. And sorry to say, I have experience with the drunken frat boys.

4. The proponents of carry tend to be right wingers and sorry to say, that isn't respected on lots of campuses. Their social values are not valued and thus that carries to the gun issue. Some call the antis commies and pinkos - oops, that doesn't help.

5. The argument that you don't need training to carry - doesn't fly. I've asked quite a few reasonable folks and they focus on that. They don't want some posturing untrained person toting a gun around them.

Now folks, don't argue with me about this. It isn't my opinion - get it. Being in the business, this is my take on what's going on.

It might have been better just to try for a law regarding staff and faculty but that was then and this is now.
 
4. The proponents of carry tend to be right wingers and sorry to say, that isn't respected on lots of campuses. Their social values are not valued and thus that carries to the gun issue.
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This is the ENTIRE reason. It's about maintaining the deadlock of leftism on the academic world. Their BS can't hold up if there's examples of why they're wrong right there in front of their face. This is why we must fight the campus carry fight and win: it is at the very nest and breeding ground of the anti gun political complex.
 
Thanks for your support folks. Now here is another urgent action item:

Please respond to this request immediately! We need everyone to call their Senator and politely request that they support SB1164 and oppose any and every amendment that is not acceptable to the author (Senator Wentworth)! I can't go into detail now, but it is very important that we get these calls going folks. And please use that terminology; i.e. "oppose any amendment not acceptable to the author."

If you don't know your Texas Senator, then go to this website and fill in your address: http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/
Then, you can go to this webpage and click on your Senator for contact information: http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/Members/Members.aspx?Chamber=S

Thanks,
Chas.
 
The Senate version of the campus-carry bill (SB1164) was voted favorably from the Senate State Affairs Committee tonight. The vote was 6 to 3, with Senators Duncan, Ellis and Van de Putte voting no. Chairman Duncan offered two amendments, and Senator Van de Putte offered one. The Van de Putte amendment would have allowed state universities to opt-out, as private institutions can under the bill. It was pointed out that this would gut the bill and it failed, even though Chairman Duncan argued fervently in favor of the Van de Putte amendment. That amendment failed on a 5 to 4 vote.

Chairman Duncan's first "official" amendment would have authorized universities to ban handgun from residential housing, rather than just regulate their storage. It was pointed out that this would leave residents defenseless in the dorms. This amendment also failed on a 5 to 4 vote.

The third and final amendment was offered by Chairman Duncan and it delayed implementation of the bill until Sept. 1, 2010. The excuse given was to allow universities sufficient time to draft regulations for storage of handgun in residential housing. This amendment passed 7 to 0, but Senator Frazier later changed his vote to no.

Now we have to get it to the Senate floor and that takes 21 votes, but only a simple majority to pass.

Chas.
 
Why can't we just get a clean bill and have it voted on that way? Why do these idiots have to hang amendments on it that they know will kill the bill? We need to be sure these guys get voted out next term. Duncan knew he was messing things up, that is why he did it. We need to remember this when it comes time to vote.
 
The third and final amendment was offered by Chairman Duncan and it delayed implementation of the bill until Sept. 1, 2010. The excuse given was to allow universities sufficient time to draft regulations for storage of handgun in residential housing. This amendment passed 7 to 0, but Senator Frazier later changed his vote to no.
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Well, all that does is delay the bill a year. I'm still crossing my fingers that this passes. I just want the carry provision. If we have to wait a year, it will still be worth it.
 
It's going to the house to be voted for now. Once it gets through, Perry will sign and then we get to wait for the reaction of the university.

I can't wait to see President Murano squirm.
 
Rep. Joe Driver has pre-filed an amendment to HB 2730, the DPS Sunset bill, which would de-criminalize the carrying of a concealed handgun by a CHL on the campus of public or private college or university. It would not affect the ability of institutions to adopt administrative policies regulating CHLs.

While this amendment represents only part of the original bills filed by Driver and Sen. Wentworth, it may also represent the most realistic chance for advancing the issue this session. Both time and legislative procedure are working against HB 1893/SB 1164.

Driver's amendment is currently #42, although amendments are frequently pulled down by their authors, so it may move up in order of consideration from that slot. The House could begin debate on amendments to HB 2730 after the lunch recess, so please contact as many House members as possible this afternoon and urge them to SUPPORT REP. DRIVER'S AMENDMENT TO DPS SUNSET BILL TO DE-CRIMINALIZE CHLs ON CAMPUS! Don't just say Amendment #42. It's fine to say it's currently #42, but be sure to identify it as "Representative Driver's amendment to de-criminalize CHLs on campus."

This is realistically our last chance this session folks, so please respond. Call your own representative, then call all the rest. We need to let them hear from us on this amendment or it will fail.

Here is a link to the House members' contact numbers: http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/Members/Members.aspx?Chamber=H

Thanks for all of your efforts thus far and please stick with us.
Chas.
 
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