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Note to readers

The Daily Herald


Vote cheating in gun poll

Daily Herald online polls provide an interesting look at public opinion on various topics, but they are not scientific. But sometimes, special-interest groups or individuals skew the poll result so far that we decide not to publish the results.
This was the case with last week's poll asking whether Utah should allow anyone to have a loaded gun in a car.

Normally, we publish a graphic showing the results of the poll, along with some of the comments that came in via e-mail and phone. We're dropping the graphic this week because of an unusual amount of vote cheating.

While the loaded gun poll got plenty of online traffic, the results were heavily manipulated by organized gun advocates nationwide.

When the poll first opened on Feb. 12, the numbers were running consistently 60 to 70 percent against loaded guns in cars. By Feb. 14, however, the numbers had completely flipped, suggesting that the online ballot box was being stuffed. So we looked into it and confirmed that was the case.

The Herald's E-Media department tallied the computer addresses from which the gun poll votes were coming. The records showed heavy traffic coming from Internet domains hosted by gun groups, the largest being from ar15.com, a Web site catering to owners of the Colt AR-15 semiautomatic rifle. The site linked to the Herald poll and was followed 2,577 times. Many other pro-gun sites had links to the poll, including sigforum.com, glocktalk.com and thefiringline.com.

The Herald's attempts to disqualify questionable votes only inspired more robust cheating, further pushing the poll out of balance. Throughout the week, we wound up with more than 24,000 votes cast on the question.

It's a testament to how well organized the gun groups are. They communicate rapidly and effectively with their comrades in arms. Herald polls are designed to limit multiple votes, but the software is not ironclad. A person with knowledge can circumvent the blocks and vote more than once from a particular computer.

Congratulations, guys. We're not opposed to your guns, but we wish you wouldn't tamper with our polls. You've inspired us to install some enhancements that make vote cheating a lot more difficult.

Meanwhile, we continue to hope that people will read our Friday poll editorials to better understand an issue before casting a vote -- and that goes for the gun crowd, too.

-- Donald W. Meyers, Editorial Page Editor

This story appeared in The Daily Herald on page A7.
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Pretty pathetic editorial if you ask me...

Some good comments posted in there by THR, TFL, and ARFComers. :)
 
This sounds just like an idiot graduate student that I work with at the university. The results didn't go the way they wanted them to so they blame something else on the reality.

What does it matter where the votes came from if there were people answering a question honestly, and one time? They call us conspiracy theorists, but apparently this editorial writer is the one calling us an organized machine with a high-tech and integrated communications system :rolleyes: .

What a joke. The things that pass for writing these days...

-spooky
 
The only thing the paper exceeded in doing by posting this article is give TFL, GT and ARF.com free publicity. Watch member registration of these forums skyrocket in the next week or so.
 
Online polls are useless and non-scientific.

The main thing they do is make voters feel like they are speaking out on an issue. When the most you do for the RKBA is vote in an online poll, you have really done nothing but make yourself feel better.

In general, I agree with what the editor is saying. Linking a poll on guns to multiple gun boards is going to obviously skew results.
 
Who cheated? They didnt say "GUN OWNERS CAN'T VOTE, AND DON'T TELL YOUR FRIENDS!" You put a poll online, and people are going to vote in it. Don't be a whiny little hippie if things don't go your way.
 
C'mon guys, how many of you voted more than once?

There were even instructions here on how to make multiple votes quickly. And several posts about how many times individuals had posted in different polls.

If it was the anti's stuffing the ballot box we would be screaming our freaking heads off.

DM

Rico,

One man one vote and we would have skewed the poll in our favor and the results would have been posted. One man too many votes and it was obvious what was going on.


http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=125767&highlight=poll

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=125426&highlight=poll

Check those out and you'll see what I mean. Those are only 2 of many.

Now I am not saying don't vote, I am saying be cool.

DM
 
as if the loonies at Democratic Underground don't do the same thing?

We deal with the same thing in Maryland.....when we have a good showing at the anti-gun hearings, they complain as if we are some sort of gun slinging Illuminati operating on the fringes of society. They can't face the truth that basically the average citizen is on our side.
 
let's watch the double standards here guys.

We all know that we we get these 'Firemissions' as arfcom calls them, thousands of us hit those polls. That in and of itself is fine.

But we all know that both sides will and do use multiple vote techniques. This paper just called us on it, that's all.

It's a website. Statics are very easy to track, right down to idividual IP address and their referring sites. It is very easy to run grep or something and see that Joe Bob from 1.1.1.1 came through TFL at these times and hit that poll multiple times each visit.

It makes us look bad to be crying about getting caught.
 
Let me get this straight, the editor admits that the polls are not scientific and therefore not reliable:

'online polls provide an interesting look at public opinion on various topics, but they are not scientific.'

and then proceeds to complain that the poll is skewed and unreliable. OF COURSE IT IS, YOU JUST TOLD US THAT!!!!! Somehow I think that if the poll was skewed the other way he wouldn't complain too much.
 
Hmmm...

Wonder if he realized that he's now open to a class-action suit for libel by publicly stating that the pro-gunners "cheated," and "tampered with the poll?"

..Joe
 
Yes they are unscientific. They should all be labeled as "for entertainment purposes only."

What is really hilarious is how people distribute the results of these silly polls that they agree with, but then complain about how silly they are and snuff the results when they don't agree with them.

The only poll that counts is the one held on election day.
 
Sure we try to be organized, communicate about issues and vote in large numbers . . . how does that equate to tampering with an online poll?
 
Norton beat me to it.....

If the DU "comrades" had hammered the pole in the direction the editor wanted it to go, the editor would have been playing golf instead if writing his response.

Go figure.
 
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