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Senator Feinstein Warns of Threat to Border Patrol Agents
California Political Desk

March 24, 2006

Easy-to-buy sniper rifle has mile-long range, could penetrate steel armor.


Washington, DC – U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) is urging Customs and Border Protection to assess the threat to border patrol agents should the easily available .50 caliber sniper rifle find its way into the hands of Mexican drug smugglers or other criminals.


“The threat posed by the easy availability of the .50-caliber sniper rifle could endanger our border patrol agents and hinder our ability to control our borders,” Senator Feinstein wrote in a letter to U.S. Customs and Border Protection Acting Commissioner Deborah Spero. “Given the range and lethality of these weapons, how would the Border Patrol carry out its mission should these weapons be used by criminals, smugglers and human traffickers shooting across the border?”

The following is the text of the letter Senators Feinstein sent to Commissioner Spero:


March 24, 2006


Deborah J. Spero
Acting Commissioner
U.S. Customs and Border Protection
Department of Homeland Security
1300 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20229


Dear Commissioner Spero,


I write to bring to your attention a significant issue which I believe could endanger our border patrol agents, and hinder our ability to control our borders: the threat posed by the easy availability of the .50-Caliber Sniper Rifle.


At a recent hearing before the Committee on the Judiciary on the subject of border violence, Mr. Aguilar of the Border Patrol testified about the dangers posed by snipers, inside Mexico, shooting across the border at our officers. I asked him about whether analysis of this threat included the newest, and most dangerous, weapon in the sniper’s arsenal – the .50-caliber sniper gun. His answer left me with the impression that the threat had not been fully considered.


As you may know, the .50-caliber rifle is accurate at extreme long range: a skilled gunman can kill a man at more than a mile. That accuracy is coupled with extreme lethality, because the projectile is moving so fast, and is so heavy, that it can penetrate steel armor. In fact other elements of the Department of Homeland Security, notable the U.S. Coast Guard, now use the rifle because it can shoot through the engine block of fleeing smuggler “fast-boats.”


I have long been concerned about this issue, and have introduced legislation which would, at least in part, address the problem by treating these weapons under the same regulations that govern machine guns, rather than .22-caliber rifles as is presently the law.


I would greatly appreciate if you could advise me, as soon as possible, of the following. Has Customs and Border Protection assessed the threat faced from this weapon, and is so, what is the result of that assessment? What steps have been taken to protect Border Patrol agents from the treat? What steps are planned? Given the range and lethality of these weapons, how would the Border Patrol carry out its mission should these weapons be used by criminals, smugglers and human traffickers shooting across the border?


I look forward to your reply, and working together on this critical issue. I have enclosed some background material for your review.


Yours truly,

Dianne Feinstein
United States Senator
 
Considering the fact that the border patrol can't just open up on anyone they see a .50 isn't much deadlier than a pistol, ie: patrol spots person walking, they go up to him he opens up on them with his pistol or has buddies in hiding with ARs. Also if the drug lords start sniping border agents that will draw attention, (Not specifically to the shooter but to the region) the drug lords probaly don't want that.
 
How does the senator's legislation "partly address" the issue of shots being fired FROM MEXICO?:scrutiny:
 
As though she's really concerned with the security of our boarders:rolleyes:

The southern border has leaked like a sieve since before I was born, but the greatest threat to boarder patrol is the fifty cal. Here I was thinking it was illegal immigrants. . .
 
She's just trying to come up with more excuses to get them banned. And we all know that banning them here will keep criminals and drug runners in other countries from getting them, right?

If this doesn't work, she'll probably start cackling about terrorists using them to take shots at the White House from a rooftop in Boise or something.


I have enclosed some background material for your review.
I can just imagine the unbiased 'facts' she submitted for review.

If she's so concerned about home security, why doesn't she concentrate her efforts on more important things, like banning the Dixie Chicks? :D
 
So what are we going to do -- outlaw .50 caliber rifles in Mexico?

pax
 
Yeah, and those mean .50 caliber rifles cause cancer, deafness, miscarried pregnancies, premature baldness, and heart disease, too!

Better ban 'em right now!


Naa..if a .50BMG causes any sort of medical ailment, it would be priapism. (thanks to those stupid commercials, I learned a new word :D )



Back to topic: This is simply Feinswine looking for a new way to repackage a gun-control objective. It is pretty clear that "terrorist threat" has failed as a vehicle to promote gun-control laws. No one bought into the BS about some terrorist buying a Barrett and shooting down planes (except Kalifornistan). Terrorists are much smarter and execute strategic missions, not small-fry tactical missions like using a .50.


Remember Lautenberg trying to tie the NICS check system in with the Homeland Security terror alert levels? Jeesh! Basically, you can only buy a gun when the warning level is on GREEN (as if that would ever happen, but hey, that's the point right!)


Every 5 years the cycle switches to a new motive or goal. Now it is border security and drug runners. Keep the goal of banning the .50BMG alive by relating it to whatever current-events issue of that day. She'd be very happy if a government agency openly and visibly came out in favor of a ban. That would give her a little bit of clout by being able to say "see, I told you"...remember, it might not be reality, but all it takes is for one federal law enforcement agency to determine the threat is serious in a public way, and her delusional arguments against the .50bmg are then legitimized in the mainstream of the nation. You might not agree with them, but the mainstream of the country will see it as a legitimate claim, regardless of whether it succeeds or not. At the moment, her claims are purely BOGUS. She just needs a few fish to bite. Strategy is simple. You do not need overwhelming support. You just need enough support to be able to BLOCK and SINK pro-gun legislation by tacking this on. If you don't kill the bill, then you still win by getting the ban. So it just needs enough momentum to become amendable. That's the defensive side of the plan. Offensive plan for them is to wait out for a victory in the House or Senate, then they can actually hold floor votes on crap like this. The best hope is for the Whitehouse. There's nothing like having the President run around the country in Airforce One speeching and cheerleading support for the number 1 policy goal of a new administration -- BAN .50bmgs!


Feinstein is shopping for allies in the Federal and LE community to start building a coalition against the .50BMG. Now, in the great scheme of things, a .50bmg ban is no where near as bad as an AWB or other past bans (but still completely unacceptable period). This goes to show that they are getting real desperate. Like the NRA and our movement, this woman represents the political arm of their movement. How many years can their movement survive without being able to claim any legislative victories? Unfortunately, a long time...but if they don't get some gun-control in the next 4 years..they will start hurting badly. They'll never quit, but they'll lose ground.
 
This is why I left CA

and why I never spend money there.

When Arnold signed the .50 ban I ripped up my CA Republican ID card and mailed it to him with a letter explaining why.
 
Molon Labe said:
The only threat is to my shoulder.

WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!!! You overlooked a huge threat! A little further south....and that's the greenbacks in your wallet:D So that brings it up to two major threats!:neener:
 
I think she made two serious mistakes. One, linking .50 BMG and "sniper rifle" as synonymous and two, trying to get it classified as a machinegun rather than a centerfire target rifle as it actually is. She is implying that sniper rifles cause mass death and destruction and should be made harder to obtain. This is flawed thinking because they are no different than any other centerfire rifle with the exception of the fact that they have a longer range due to increased velocity. Yes they can penetrate a steel target but that is simply due to the bullet weight and velocity of that particular load. A semi-truck can go through a car, should we start classifying those as destructive devices or make it harder for truck drivers to obtain one? NO! Because that would be completely absurd!!! :cuss:
 
Yes. We must outlaw them. After all, we know that foreign drug cartels only use American made firepower.

Ms. Feinstein would be weeping in her bed if anyone were to show her what is available outside the CONUS. Like the Croatian RT-20 (LINK) and the South African NTW-20 (LINK).
 
There was a thread recently here about the applicability of the 50 caliber rifle for police work. The Dallas PD had been gifted some 50 caliber rifles.

I bet that there will be more civilians injured accidentally, and more damage done in general, by under-trained, over-zealous militarized police officers using the 50 caliber rifle, than we will see from criminals using it over the next few years.

It is simply not the kind of rifle outlaws will use.
 
Dear Senator Feinstein,

Regards your letter to Commissioner Spero, wouldn't it be easier to arm our Customs and Border Patrol agents with Barrets new .416 caliber rifle? The ballistics are far superior than their older .50 caliber technology. A four hundred grain bullet zipping along at 3280fps that is accurate out to 2000 yds and retains more stopping power than its .50 caliber predecessor is a definite plus for us long distance shooters. Plus, it's legal for California residents to purchase for their own defense, should they live along the shared border with Mexico and have problems with those undocumented workers.

Oh, and don't ask Ronny Barret to sell these to any of your CA law enforcement agencies.... He's still pissed you banned his older technology and has stated this rifle is for civilian only usage in your fair state....

Sincerely,
 
POOooo On That One Mile Range Thingie!

Why would anyone worry about a .50cal? I can do the same thing with my Suburban and 1911 and be more accurate! It might take me a little longer to get to the target, though. If there is armor in the way of my bullet, my Suburban can do more damage than the tiny .50 caliber hunk of metal can do being hurled at the target from a mile away! 'Course, I'm a little more vulnerable being up close, but my Suburban does offer some protection!

Tell that to DiFi.:evil:

Woody

"The power of those in government to use common sense shall not be infringed. It is first, however, imperative to elect people to those positions of power who possess common sense. Remember that at the next election." B.E.Wood
 
I think the reason we been hearing calls for baning the .50 BMG rifles is due to the fact that not very many people own them.

Much harder to ban something everyone and thier brother has.

-Bill
 
Last I heard, south-of-the-border drug smugglers were already being given Mexican Army escorts with Humvees mounting .50 BMG's, or owned their own.
 
Same augument that D.C. and NYC is using in pushing gun control to VA and other southeastern states.

So... Communist Mexico shoots at our boys (through the drug runners of course) with .50's, .30's, hey... even .22's. Result Gun control for Americans.

Better not try.
 
because it can shoot through the engine block

What gun hasn't been quoted as being able to shoot through engine blocks? I wouldn't be surprised to see someone in the 1850's screaming bloody murder because a Walker Colt could 'shoot clean through a stage coach!'
 
It's not for the children, it's for the politicians. She is rightly scared of such weapons. Her swarm of bodyguards can protect her from lots of things, but not from a rifle which can in fact blow through light armor a mile away. The best way for leaders to handle such situations is to avoid doing things which make people hate them so much. For Sen Feinstein, I guess it's too late for that. If she's really worried maybe she should stop making appearances in public or out doors or in open spaces.

Anyway, unlucky for her, 50 BMG is only one of many calibers capable of accurate, lethal armor penetration at ranges of over one mile. 338 Lapua Magnum is probably even more dangerous. So is 416 Barret and a bunch of others.
 
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