The Army Pistol Trials of 1954

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At the end of WWII the Army wasn't happy with the 1911 and immediately began a solicitation to see what handgun could replace the 1911. Specifications released in 1947 included but were not limited to being 9mm, double action, a length of no more than seven inches, and weight of 25 ounces. It was already known that standardizing with our European allies on 9mm would be beneficial, and that the Soviet Union was now the new threat.

Their interest in replacing the 1911 was based on the performance of the .45 ACP, it's weight factor, the aging design of the 1911, lack of being to pull the trigger with the hammer down to fire it, and the extensive comparison to the HiPower, Walther P38, and other designs that had been fielded by that time.

Colt submitted new designs for the trials the T4, as did Hi Standard the T3, and S&W came in after an internal leadership change. The resulting pistols were tested - but the final decision by 1954 was to terminate the solicitation. The reason given was budgetary - there were 2.5 milllon 1911's in the inventory and no money to refit.

It was not recorded at the time that the 1911 was found superior, or that it was even in consideration as a competitor. The purpose and intent of the competition was to replace it with a firearm that wasn't a 1911 or even a product improved model. Colts primary samples were NOT the Commander, which was more an engineering analysis with Alcoa to see if an aluminum alloy frame was feasible.

All this documented at the time but largely difficult to find on the internet, as the sources are in books, not web pages. The effort to discover the information requires a library and possession of printed materials which are no longer for sale.

One reference on it is "Combat Handguns" by Major George Nonte, of the Ordnance Branch who was serving at the time. He later produced some of the benchmark books on gunsmithing in the day and his final work was finished by Edward Ezell. In it is a chapter on those trials and also prints pictures of the competing firearms with descriptions.

Trying to research online with the internet won't pull up much material on this - pics of the Colt T4 in museums don't show the sheet metal trigger guard pictured in Nonte's book. What is important, tho, is that the efforts to replace the 1911 did come to market. Colt did bring the Commander into production, seeing as a lot of the parts were the same with little change. It has never been a brisk seller and is rarely found in 9mm. S&W marketed it's auto pistol, the M39, and thru successive generations it became the most noted and common LEO sidearm replacing revolvers in the '70s and 80s. At that point Glock began to market their firearms and the price point for them was substantially lower. Polymer could cut the price in half.

For those who think the 1911 was retained because of some superiority, the real issue is recognizing in what areas it existed. It was already there, paid for, in service, and the need for a newer design in the age of the newly fielded jet, atomic bombs, and the public's concern we needed to focus on the home front more. That we coasted along with the 1911 for another 25 years isn't a testimony to it's design as much as the lack of any real game changing upgrade - pistols are not major combat weapons and are largely symbols of status in the organization. Once we began approaching limited conflict in urban situations - which LEO's had already been engaged in much longer - then we changed to meet our already ongoing NATO obligations and the tactical situation.

I like 1911's too - own a P938 if you will - but consider that if the Army had changed, then something along the lines of the S&W M39 could have been adopted much earlier. The Navy did exactly that in Vietnam, and that was the weapon used by SEALS in a suppressed model.

Now we have the new SIG P320, and we have finally accepted what was proposed a long time ago. It's not 40 oz, closer to 28. It's not .45, remains to be announced but the chassis accepts 9mm and .40S&W. It's a striker fired DAO, not SA. It has an external safety on the accepted model. It uses double stack magazines. And if the grip or mag well is damaged, that part alone can be replaced as the trigger works are not integral like the aging Glock design.

We finally moved into the modern pistol era, something the Army has been struggling to do since 1947. The bureaucrats and bean counters couldn't object any longer.
 
Commanders aren't brisk sellers? Rarely found in 9mm?

Really? Perhaps if you're looking for a Colt. But if you're looking for a commander sized 1911 in 9mm they are everywhere.

Wilson just released a new 9mm compact 1911 with (GASP!) an external extractor.
 
I think the Army made a pretty good choice. As the M11-A1 shows, they also need handguns in a variety of sizes, a requirement the P320 meets easily. The ability to better fit the hands of their many users is another plus.

Its pretty easy to clean, too.

I hope this means we will finally see some third-party grip frames, at least for us on the civilian side.
 
In terms of overall sales, the Commanders never got much in the way of LEO contracts with tens of thousands of pistols in the holsters of cops nationwide. Not hardly. That happened with the S&W and hundreds still surface even today at LEO contract FFL's who take them in.

Exactly how I got mine. .45 ACP compact TSW.

I'm consistently surprised to read that the HiPower rarely if ever got submitted for our trials. It was already issue with numerous other allies and it was an American designers take on improving the noted deficiencies of the 1911 for combat use. Yes, I do understand that some consider a 115 year old pistol to be the nadir of handgun design - which ignores the millions of double action double stack guns manufactured in the last 50 years. IIRC the M9 is (unfortunately) far more plentiful at present, especially since Clinton went to extreme efforts to demill hundreds of thousands in Army depots. They are all gone, only the last 100,000 remain of the 2.5 million manufactured.

An issue Colt 1911 is actually a rare thing now - and wasn't the leader in production even then. Remington Rands and Ithaca's outnumber it easily, and as for the imports, Turkey, Croatia, the Phillipines and others are flooding the market with $400 compacts. They are the current "fadshion" accessory for Open Carry it would seem. For the heft and controls, I'd rather tote a stainless Smith that I can carry off safe and fire DA - as did tens of thousands of LEO's in the day, every day.

What we find as institutionally acceptable 115 years ago for combat use in that days environment doesn't necessarily mean it's the last word on firearms design. Not to forget the number of revolvers that were issued at the same time. They were still more prevalent than the 1911 in the trenches.
 
As the M11-A1 shows, they also need handguns in a variety of sizes

It's big and blocky, the Army doesn't carry .380 ACP in its supply chain that I know of, accuracy is nothing to brag about, the standard 32-round magazine is unwieldly, and the happy switch doesn't really fit in with current Army thinking on fully-automatic fire.

[I bought my M11-A1 in 1983...]
 
It's big and blocky, the Army doesn't carry .380 ACP in its supply chain that I know of, accuracy is nothing to brag about, the standard 32-round magazine is unwieldly, and the happy switch doesn't really fit in with current Army thinking on fully-automatic fire.

[I bought my M11-A1 in 1983...]
Okay, I'm a little confused. Help me out, please.
I thought the M11-A1 is a 9mm, and it's essentially the military version of the Sig P229. I also thought it's only been around for a few years - maybe 3 or 4?
 
Okay, I'm a little confused. Help me out, please.
I thought the M11-A1 is a 9mm, and it's essentially the military version of the Sig P229. I also thought it's only been around for a few years - maybe 3 or 4?

Yeah, there's some confusion on TRX's interpretation of the Army's M11 pistol (Sig P228), which was adopted in 1989; so it to is going on almost 30 years which is mind-blowing when you actually think about it. It was actually the first pistol I purchased when I graduated and was commissioned in 1993:



I've been issued an M9 the majority of my career and while it served well, it wasn't my preferred platform. It was fine as an OWB holstered service pistol, but the size doesn't lend itself to very well as a CCW (which is why the P228/M11 was adopted). The safety was problematic when actually doing dynamic ranges as it took extra effort not to activate the safety when doing reload drills. I will concede, the M9 served admirably and I've never had any reliability or accuracy issues. As I get ready to hang up my boots later this year, I will be interested in seeing how the Army issues the new M17; configuration and manual of arms. I don't necessarily care for the added external safety, but the consistent trigger will be nice.

ROCK6
 
Yeah, there's some confusion on TRX's interpretation of the Army's M11 pistol (Sig P228), which was adopted in 1989; so it to is going on almost 30 years which is mind-blowing when you actually think about it. It was actually the first pistol I purchased when I graduated and was commissioned in 1993:



I've been issued an M9 the majority of my career and while it served well, it wasn't my preferred platform. It was fine as an OWB holstered service pistol, but the size doesn't lend itself to very well as a CCW (which is why the P228/M11 was adopted). The safety was problematic when actually doing dynamic ranges as it took extra effort not to activate the safety when doing reload drills. I will concede, the M9 served admirably and I've never had any reliability or accuracy issues. As I get ready to hang up my boots later this year, I will be interested in seeing how the Army issues the new M17; configuration and manual of arms. I don't necessarily care for the added external safety, but the consistent trigger will be nice.

ROCK6
Thanks ROCK6.
That explains it. Fine looking pistol, by the way.
 
A good read, Tirod. Among some it's holy writ that that Army's dogged refusal to part with the 1911 in .45 ACP was because "they all fall to hardball". That runs headlong into actual reality. I too think the Sig is probably a good choice, especially if the report I read today is true (that the contract price is $207 per gun- you can't even keep the 92 running for that). I do find it odd that the BHP was never seriously considered. But then again, if the Army want a DA auto then the P35 is in the same boat as the 1911.

Apropos of nothing, and for what it's worth, years ago I occasionally carried a 1911 in ,38 Super and loved that gun (wish I still had it). I don't own a 1911 right now but it's a fine design. For 25 years a BHP was my EDC and that one I still have. Great design! But I doubt I'll ever return to using a SA auto as my CCW again. Alas, rust never sleeps.
 
And to update, the Army selected the SIG P320 as the new M17. It's modular meaning you can get three barrel lengths, matching slides, and three different grips with matching magazines. What caliber will likely depend on what unit you are with, I expect general issue will be 9mm but alternate calibers to be preferred in smaller action units.

What does it have? Option for the 4" range barrel, light weight, it's DAO - with a safety - and the slide sets about 90% of the firing pin travel, leaving the trigger to do the last 10%. Hence the safety. Military standard for over 100 years says it will have at least a 6 pound pull minimum and part of that is actually spring tension added to the firing pin spring tension.

The gun's drop in trigger group is the serialized number part which means if the grip is damaged you aren't junking a serial number frame, too. That's one advantage over the Glock or any other gun. It's also an advantage in the long run as their will likely be alternate trigger units with different pull weights and feel. However, they are the gun and have to pass thru an FFL. What this will do is create a modular handgun market that will be similar to the AR market - aftermarket and custom parts will likely become a big seller with everyone piling on in different colors, styles, stippling, grip angles, trigger guard styling, etc. LIkely the slides will be, too, and at some point you might be able to build your own M17 from parts around the country all drop in like the AR15. SIG's lawyers are going to be busy unless they sold it all to Uncle Sam, in which case it could get even more interesting. We will see.

This is now the state of the art in military pistol design, and the modular trigger assembly just made typical frames obsolete. We have gone from delaying the natural progression of fabrication and design to take the cheap way out, and then discovering we still had to pay to refurb the 1911's anyway, to now having the most advanced military handgun available. We took that road with the M16 in the day and it's still serving, now we have the mate for it in a handgun, along the lines of what was desired nearly 60 years ago. We've taken twice as long as it took to get from the .276 Pedersen to the M16, all because of the 1911 and bean counters who preferred to keep their used guns in the fleet longer than needed. It was a bad decision then, but we finally corrected it.
 
The M9 replaced the 1911 almost 30 years ago...

Of course handgun technology has improved in the last 100 years. Hopefully the SIG P320 is successful and it could be revolutionary, but that is still to be seen. In the fifties the Army decided that keeping the 1911 was the best option - The SIG wasn't available then and none of the competitors were seen as a worthwhile replacement. That's what happened - to act like keeping the 1911 wasn't even a consideration seems to defy logic as that is what the end result was.

The 1911 has retained it's image as one of the top preforming handguns ever. Look at all the high-end competition guns coming out based upon the design. It was a revolutionary design 106 years ago and it's still one of the most prevalent guns available today.
 
Boggles my mind.
I presume there will be a standard configuration of the P320/M17 with its "modularity" being primarily a maintenance convenience.
But I can easily imagine CO's jockeying for different barrel and butt lengths, maybe even a different caliber to express the eliteness of their units.
Also, it would be tough if you got sent a crate of compact magazines for your full size guns. Holsters to fit? Woo, woo. .40 ammo in the 'Stan? Ouch.

Thought of the M17 becoming a LegoGun with numerous copies and mutations like M16 is either encouraging or scary. Depends on how recently I have read somebody's account of the failure of his basement conglomeration of commodity parts.

As far as the backstory goes, I don't think Mr Browning did "an American designers take on improving the noted deficiencies of the 1911 for combat use." What he did was respond to an RFP from the French to FN. After his death and the rejection of the apparently excessively powerful (and German origin) 9mm by the French, Msr Saive at FN massaged the GR into the GP and finally got some sales to Belgium and other wannabes as the Depression abated a bit.

If gunzines of the early 1980s were to be believed, we got the M9 Beretta the same place we got the M16... the USAF. There had been a lot of .38 revolvers bought, many for use by the Air Force, and they were wearing out. The AF decided to go with the NATO agreement - in place since about 1950 - that our next service pistol would be a 9mm and ended up with the Beretta. The Army could not be left behind so they ran their own tests and came to the same conclusion.

Still earlier, after the 1950s trials to NATO spec, abrogated because we still had .45s on hand and were willing to buy .38 revolvers to kick the can down the road, the Commander and the M39 were brought to the commercial market. The High Standard T3 and Colt T4 were not pursued as commercial products. Inglis showed a lightweight BHP with aluminum frame and heavily fluted slide, but I don't know that it was formally considered by the US.
 
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