Lightsped
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Just wondered if anyone here has seen the movie titled The Brave One? If so, how is the gun play? Is it worth buying the DVD?
The Brave One
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halfacop
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Right - I saw this movie when it first came out.
I believe she wanted to be involved in this movie to show how easily it is for someone to illegally obtain a firearm and go about their business with vigilanty justice. Her intent is to show the general population exactly why gun control is so important and needed.
Fact is - if that was her intent........SHE FAILED.
While you watch this movie you find yourself rooting for her to kick some ass. She does everything that I believe most individuals would want to do in that situation. She gets trigger happy on ****bags in the subway and some guy trying to kill her in the drug store and with a car. Nothing but self defense situations inwhich an intent by the scumbag was clearly shown to be a deadly threat towards her.
She appears to be the "hero" in this film - not the villian, that I believe she wanted to portray.
I watched it and thought it was a great PRO GUN FLICK!
I believe she wanted to be involved in this movie to show how easily it is for someone to illegally obtain a firearm and go about their business with vigilanty justice. Her intent is to show the general population exactly why gun control is so important and needed.
Fact is - if that was her intent........SHE FAILED.
While you watch this movie you find yourself rooting for her to kick some ass. She does everything that I believe most individuals would want to do in that situation. She gets trigger happy on ****bags in the subway and some guy trying to kill her in the drug store and with a car. Nothing but self defense situations inwhich an intent by the scumbag was clearly shown to be a deadly threat towards her.
She appears to be the "hero" in this film - not the villian, that I believe she wanted to portray.
I watched it and thought it was a great PRO GUN FLICK!
Bruce333
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I don't care how good the movie is (or not). I'll not be watching any Jodie Foster movies.
Cesiumsponge
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So that quote basically says because she is unsure of her emotional state in a high stress situation, therefore everyone else is the same and therefore unsuitable to use firearms.
...not to mention the "2A is for duckhunting" mentality as well.
...not to mention the "2A is for duckhunting" mentality as well.
jad0110
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Sounds kinda like a modern version of Death Wish! But yeah, I don't think I can stomach Jody Foster though.
My response would be since "we all have a little bit of insanity in us", shouldn't we disarm cops too? I mean, if having the power of life and death at your fingertips is sooooo bad, then why would we entrust our government with that power?
Yeah, I couldn't watch it.
Lightsped
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Ok, beyond the actor's pro or anti gun stance, is this movie a decent flick for gun play and shootouts? What type of guns are featured?
halfacop
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The gun is a Kahr K9 if I remember right.
As far as shootouts - I woudn't say there are any. Mostly one sided trigger slaps by her.
It was a decent flick as far as pertraying a few situations that you could be easily caught in, especially the hide and seek game she plays with the pissed off husband at the little stop and rob store and the subway showdown.
There is really more story line than actual "gun play". If your not into worrying about the actors view points - then I am sure you would enjoy the film. Like I said, I saw it as a great "Progun" flick - she certainly did a ****ty job of trying to promote how guns are evil and should not be so easily available in todays society. I think she did a better job of showing exactly WHY we NEED guns.
For cripes sake - the dvd can't cost ya a few bucks to rent - just grab it and watch it. Its worth seeing a anti-gun actors anti-gun work prove the exact opposite of their intent.
As far as shootouts - I woudn't say there are any. Mostly one sided trigger slaps by her.
It was a decent flick as far as pertraying a few situations that you could be easily caught in, especially the hide and seek game she plays with the pissed off husband at the little stop and rob store and the subway showdown.
There is really more story line than actual "gun play". If your not into worrying about the actors view points - then I am sure you would enjoy the film. Like I said, I saw it as a great "Progun" flick - she certainly did a ****ty job of trying to promote how guns are evil and should not be so easily available in todays society. I think she did a better job of showing exactly WHY we NEED guns.
For cripes sake - the dvd can't cost ya a few bucks to rent - just grab it and watch it. Its worth seeing a anti-gun actors anti-gun work prove the exact opposite of their intent.
George Hill
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It's a CW-9.
halfacop
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Nope - if you look at the pistol in the poster, you can see that the front sight is dovetailed.
The CW9 does not have a dovetail front sight - its simply a pinned front sight, which was one of the cost cutting measures Kahr used to keep the CW9 more affordable.
As well as the frame not being polymer, like the CW series of pistols is. That pistol certainly had a full stainless frame.
When I watched it - I was sure that it was a K9 series.
I think it's supposed to be a psychological study of the personal impact of violent crime, and revenge. I thought it was a pretty decent movie. Her character was pretty believable to me. The detective didn't sell me on his character.
I don't think it was a statement about gun control - it was more about a strong woman confronting evil, and being by the confrontation.
That may be intentional - she's not supposed to know anything about weapons, or more strongly, she's supposed to not know anything about weapons. That's sort of the point of the movie.
Mike
I don't think it was a statement about gun control - it was more about a strong woman confronting evil, and being by the confrontation.
That may be intentional - she's not supposed to know anything about weapons, or more strongly, she's supposed to not know anything about weapons. That's sort of the point of the movie.
Mike
halfacop
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Right - that was the one part of the movie that I saw that they did a ****ty job on.
When he gives her the Kahr in the alley, "shows" her how to work it, She grabs it from him and handles it like she's done it a hundred times. Uses the slide stop like a pro....etc etc etc.
She just did not do a great job of making it look like it was the first handgun she had ever handled.
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Well - perhaps thats your take. But when I read things like this out of her mouth.....
When talk turned to gun control, a subject many movie critics will likely tackle in reviews for The Brave One, Foster commented:
“Isn’t it possible that we all have that bit of insanity in us?
“That’s why I’m for gun control. Absolutely. I don’t believe that people should have access to life-or-death situations at any emotional time in their life.
“I don’t really believe that a human being who feels [things] should have the option at their fingertips.”
Then its pretty obvious to me what her intent was for doing the film.
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I don't care about the opinions of actors. They didn't get their jobs for their critical thinking skills or personality. They got their jobs because they passed a screen test and have the ability to hide their own personalities in favor of a construct. They are lacking real personalities and real critical thinking skills.
Being famous doesn't give their opinions weight, and if they can entertain me for a couple of hours, great.
I think not. My guess is that making a statement about gun control was way, way down on her list - if it was there at all. Gun control is utterly and massively unimportant to a huge majority of folks.
If I had to guess, I would guess that her top two motivations were:
- Money. This is a profession for her, not a hobby.
- The dramatic transition from oblivious innocence to ambivalent power probably intrigued her.
She's a bright lady, and I would guess that #2 dominated her interest.
I think that if you're brain dead, you can watch the movie as a Charles Bronson style revenge flick. But I think she really wanted to portray was the the evil that the main character encountered ended up making her somewhat evil.
I thought that at the end of the movie, she wished she could find a road back to the sweet innocent character she was at the beginning of the movie. But that road was blocked. She hated - at least in part - who she had become.
[ ----- SPOILER ALERT ----- ]
I think that's the dramatic motivation for the scene I found a little hokey - where she wounds the detective. She started out shooting bad guys, and now she has to shoot a good guy - and implicitly endorse his corruption.
Mike
I don't think that's correct.
What I'd say is that there may be little or no correlation between their own personality and any role they might play in a movie. I have no particular reason to believe that Harrison Ford is a particularly heroic.
The same is true of their intelligence and that of the characters they play. I have no reason to believe that Gwyneth Paltrow can really do the kind of math that her character did in "Proof".
I suspect that most actors have "real personalities" and that critical thinking skill are distributed among actors more or less as they are amongst the general population. I would actually suspect that actors - as a group - probably have a sightly higher facility for critical thinking than the population as a whole.
In point of fact, Ms. Foster graduated summa cum laude from Yale, so I suspect she's a pretty bright woman. I could not have gotten into Yale - and if they had made an admissions error and I'd gotten in, there is no way in heck that I would have graduated summa cum laude!
She can be all that, and still very wrong about CCW.
Mike
damien
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The first four shoots in the film were self defense in any jurisdiction (gun robber in store, two rapists with knifes on subway, john in the car that tries to run her down and succeeds at hitting his slave girl). If she was trying discredit Vigilantism, she did not succeed until late in the film. Self defense is not Vigilantism.
Of course the other four kills (hunted down guy on rooftop, hunted down three original criminals) was definitely Vigilantism. But then an officer of the law pretty much endorsed her actions anyway!
Of course the other four kills (hunted down guy on rooftop, hunted down three original criminals) was definitely Vigilantism. But then an officer of the law pretty much endorsed her actions anyway!
Titan6
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Actually the whole movie from start to finish is a rip off of Death Wish with Jody Foster playing Charles Bronson. They throw in a awkward subplot that does not really work well but the movie is not very good any way. You are better off renting the original and watching Paul Kersey convert from anti-gun pacifist to death dealing psychotic over two hours.
Strange that art does not imitate real life. Most people who are effected by violent crime through guilt displacement and blame the guns and begin campaigning to end the world of them. Very rarely are they are wise enough to realize the truth.
BobbyQuickdraw
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http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/reviews/the-brave-one.php
^ My thoughts on the film.
Not worth buying. Maybe worth watching. If it was a straight up vigilante movie, like Death Wish, it would have been awesome. But instead they try to make it a message movie and nearly ruin it.
It has a conflicting gun message. On one hand, she can't buy a handgun to protect herself, because of waiting period (progun). So she buys one, easily, off the street (antigun). She uses it to protect herself (progun). She quickly becomes a quasi-vigilante doling out justice (antigun).
Rent it, dont buy it.
^ My thoughts on the film.
Not worth buying. Maybe worth watching. If it was a straight up vigilante movie, like Death Wish, it would have been awesome. But instead they try to make it a message movie and nearly ruin it.
It has a conflicting gun message. On one hand, she can't buy a handgun to protect herself, because of waiting period (progun). So she buys one, easily, off the street (antigun). She uses it to protect herself (progun). She quickly becomes a quasi-vigilante doling out justice (antigun).
Rent it, dont buy it.
I don't remember Charles Bronson every expressing any ambivalence about the man he had become - which is to my mind the heart of The Brave One.
But it's been a long time, so maybe I am wrong. I remember him looking at pictures of his family, but that was mainly fuel for the rage. I didn't have much sense of his introspection about ethical issues.
If you go to see "The Brave One" with "Death Wish" in mind, you'll be disappointed - I think I remember a heck of a lot more firepower and gunplay in "Death Wish".
If you go to see "Death Wish" with "The Brave One" in mind, you'll be disappointed - "Death Wish" is a 13 year old boy's view of the way it should be, "The Brave One" is a more nuanced film.
Or maybe there's no intended gun message at all. Maybe it's a character study.
Mike
The way it got preachy was rather annoying. She did get rather vigilante at the end though. Definitely more about the dark side of humanity than an anti gun movie (Jodi is definitely anti gun herself, though her character sure is comfortable with hers by the end of the movie!)
One mobster gets beaned with a crowbar and tossed off a six story parking garage. No gun violence there by anyone! Not even brandishing. A bit vigilante like, but he did attack her first. Plus the thugs in the beginning only use fists and pipes on her and her fiance. Untrained and kinda cowardly German Shepard is useless defending it's master. (That struck me as odd that her dog wouldn't at least fight a little for it's mistress, but thats Hollywood!)
Clearly though she definitely went vigilante after deliberately letting the guy go in the line up. Course her cop friend was pretty sick of these scumbags getting let out a day or so later so he went a little vigilante too by helping her take out the trash. Not exactly Death Wish, more like one of the later Dirty Harry movies. I forget which one.
On the bright side, this movie probably makes more than a few women realize violence can happen to you and not "somebody else" and serves as a wake up call. Plus it must have made a few go to a gunshop to see about getting a CCW or at least a pistol for home.
The movie poster shown above is probably her about to shoot at the creep trying to run her over with his car.
P.S. Jodi is probably a lost cause for converting to the logical POV of guns as self defense tools, but her fans are not a lost cause. Work on them and forget Jodi Foster.
One mobster gets beaned with a crowbar and tossed off a six story parking garage. No gun violence there by anyone! Not even brandishing. A bit vigilante like, but he did attack her first. Plus the thugs in the beginning only use fists and pipes on her and her fiance. Untrained and kinda cowardly German Shepard is useless defending it's master. (That struck me as odd that her dog wouldn't at least fight a little for it's mistress, but thats Hollywood!)
Clearly though she definitely went vigilante after deliberately letting the guy go in the line up. Course her cop friend was pretty sick of these scumbags getting let out a day or so later so he went a little vigilante too by helping her take out the trash. Not exactly Death Wish, more like one of the later Dirty Harry movies. I forget which one.
On the bright side, this movie probably makes more than a few women realize violence can happen to you and not "somebody else" and serves as a wake up call. Plus it must have made a few go to a gunshop to see about getting a CCW or at least a pistol for home.
The movie poster shown above is probably her about to shoot at the creep trying to run her over with his car.
P.S. Jodi is probably a lost cause for converting to the logical POV of guns as self defense tools, but her fans are not a lost cause. Work on them and forget Jodi Foster.
Old Dog
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I didn't see this movie while looking for any profound pro-gun message. However, I also feel that this flick did end up making somewhat of a pro-gun statement. And, I'm also rather amazed that so many of you tie actors' political beliefs to your enjoyment or support of their movies.
As RPCVYemen notes, Ms. Foster is a very intelligent women (albeit misguided in her gun views in our eyes) and, I believe, an exceptional actress.
Not every actor is a Chuck Heston or Tom Selleck. That doesn't mean we can't enjoy movies. C'mon now, I know there's a general disrespect of guys such as Sean Penn around here, but wasn't his Jeff Spiccoli role (Fast Times at Ridgement High) one of the most hilarious characters ever put on film?
The Brave One was okay, worth viewing (perhaps not worth adding to one's collection), a film that just may have open some viewers' eyes to a world they'd not ever considered ... if the movie got anyone to ponder whether or not they might want -- or need -- to become gunowners -- that's a good thing, right?
As RPCVYemen notes, Ms. Foster is a very intelligent women (albeit misguided in her gun views in our eyes) and, I believe, an exceptional actress.
Not every actor is a Chuck Heston or Tom Selleck. That doesn't mean we can't enjoy movies. C'mon now, I know there's a general disrespect of guys such as Sean Penn around here, but wasn't his Jeff Spiccoli role (Fast Times at Ridgement High) one of the most hilarious characters ever put on film?
The Brave One was okay, worth viewing (perhaps not worth adding to one's collection), a film that just may have open some viewers' eyes to a world they'd not ever considered ... if the movie got anyone to ponder whether or not they might want -- or need -- to become gunowners -- that's a good thing, right?
Keegan
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I watched it Saturday, and it's definitely a Kahr K9.
I could see where pros and antis could both use this movie to their advantage. She does use the gun to protect herself and others, but I think the movie tries to say that she was "driven" to buy a gun by her paranoia and fear after the attack, and all the people she killed didn't make her feel better about what happened. All I saw was a woman who refused to be a victim anymore.
All in all it was worth watching, and it's a good movie to score some points with the wife, she'll like it too.
I could see where pros and antis could both use this movie to their advantage. She does use the gun to protect herself and others, but I think the movie tries to say that she was "driven" to buy a gun by her paranoia and fear after the attack, and all the people she killed didn't make her feel better about what happened. All I saw was a woman who refused to be a victim anymore.
All in all it was worth watching, and it's a good movie to score some points with the wife, she'll like it too.
BobbyQuickdraw
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We don't vote for politicians who don't support our beliefs and we don't support activists who have contrary opinions on guns, so why should we give our money in ticket sales to someone who will then speak out against guns, endorse the Brady Campaign, and possibly donate thousands of dollars to anti-gun causes?
I won't pay to see movies featuring prominent anti-gun activists if I can help it and I wont pay to watch a Sean Penn movie.
I do go out of my way to pay to see Tom Selleck, as my Seasons 1-7 of Magnum PI on DVD can attest, and I'm currently gathering up some of his movies and TV specials on DVD. I also tune into Las Vegas when I'm home on Friday nights!
Old Dog
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Well, Bobby, we've covered that ground a time or two in this forum these past many years ...
If you're gonna boycott any person or any entity with ties to anti-gun politicians or causes, no matter how obscure, you'd better be raising your own sheep, shearing 'em, weaving your own clothes and subsisting wholly out of your own garden/farm grown produce and livestock. Oh, and watching "Vegas" or any TV show or movie with any pro-gun actors? Can't do that either, as you'd find almost everyone involved in the production of those shows and movies espouses a lot more liberal-leanin' gun-grabbin' views that you'd ever know ...
No Starbucks for you.
If you're gonna boycott any person or any entity with ties to anti-gun politicians or causes, no matter how obscure, you'd better be raising your own sheep, shearing 'em, weaving your own clothes and subsisting wholly out of your own garden/farm grown produce and livestock. Oh, and watching "Vegas" or any TV show or movie with any pro-gun actors? Can't do that either, as you'd find almost everyone involved in the production of those shows and movies espouses a lot more liberal-leanin' gun-grabbin' views that you'd ever know ...
No Starbucks for you.
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