The Case For Light Modified...

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Dave McCracken

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The question I am most frequently asked by E mail, online and at the range goes something like "What choke should I use for ____?".

Regardless of what ____ is, my usual response is "Light Modified".

Here's why...

In the long lost days of my youth Real Men shot Full chokes on everything. A leftover from the previous century, Full was usually construed as 40 Points Of Constriction, or .040". It took that much choke to get the 90% at 40 yard patterns usually defining Full performance with the ammunition on hand .

Then, ammo R&D gave us hard, round shot, the one piece plastic wad/shotcup, progressive powders and buffering. Many older shotguns are hideously overchoked with modern ammo. Now, much less choke can give us the same percentages that 40 POC used to.

Old skeet guns from the 30s are now busting clays out around the 45 yard mark. What constituted WSII choke in 1931(12-14 POC) now generates patterns we'd call more like Modified or even Improved Modified (formerly 30 POC.)

Briley, et al, decree that 30 POC is The New 40. The only folks still wanting 40 POC are turkey hunters, card shooters and handicap trapshooters back on the 27 yard line.

Some makers may be Getting Real. Beretta's tube tables indicate that whereas Modified used to be 20 POC to get the 70% patterns at 40 yards expected, their mod tube has 16 POC. IM has 23, what we'd call Modified in days of yore. These may show what's needed to get those percentages, with good ammo.

Remington's Light Mod Remchoke tube runs 14 POC. As I stated, Beretta's Mod runs 16.

Both of these wreck clays way out dere when I hold up my end. They're my choices for most shot opps at Wobble, Trap, SC and so on.

If I do dove this year, I'll use one or the other. Same for pheasant, ground game, or waterfowl with the right non tox. Depending on load, I can get IC to IM patterns, even mimic Full performance if I hold my mouth right.

LM is my default choke, because it handles so many possibilities.

So, what are your experiences.?....
 
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My dad and brothers always used full choke for everything, and they couldn't understand why anybody would use anything different. I bought a 11-48 Rem used in 1971, with a modified barrel. I started outshooting them on quail and doves, and they finally conceded maybe full wasn't the only choke for everything.

Off topic, but my brothers always used pumps. When I bought an O/U in the early 80s, they chided me for giving up a shot. My dad said; "Third shot's usually a prayer anyway". Now, both my brothers use Citoris, but they won't admit shooting mine had anything to do with it. ;)
 
AFAIK Winchester/Browning reduced constriction years ago already.

See my post in the other thread about shooting 25 yard wobble trap with an IC Invector (AFAIK .005" constriction, much less than Remington IC) and smashing the birds (when I hit them).

I have to do more patterning with various loads, shot, etc., after that experience!

I can't say my 20 Gauge O/U patterns much differently from its fixed IC and M barrels. When I take shots at the dirt to make sure I'm mounting where I think I am, the patterns look about the same at 25 yards or so, with STS shot. Haven't tried it with known-to-be-soft shot.

My fixed Modified 12 Gauge 1100 seems a bit tight for quail, that much I'll say. An ounce of 6's through it does a number on cottontail, though.
 
*snicker*

Dave,
Now you know my take on the matter.

I still contend one of the biggest reasons folks can't shoot is they "read" what a barrel or choked is marked.

I also still contend the arrival screw in chokes actually impeded folks learning to shoot.

Now I know how to get a real Improved Cylinder, or Skeet patter from 40 POC.
[marked full]

Still I proved my point years and years ago.
Recall the standard barrels being 30"= full, 28" =modified, and 26" = IC.

Well I busted a barrel during training attacking the steels and had to cut a barrel back to 25", had screw in chokes fitted up , and removed what the barrel "said it was".

I'd loan this gun out, with the loads it liked as per pattern board, and whatnot and folks would fell targets.
"What choke is it?" - folks asked
"Whatever you want it to be ?" -I replied

Whatever they replied I just grinned. :D
It didn't matter if the answered Cylinder bore to Extra Full, I just grinned.

Clays, ducks, geese, doves , quail, no matter this gun felled with its loads I provided.

It won card shoots..."Must be a Extra Extra Extra Full"
*Grin*

This same choke, I never changed it , and no I will not share what all I did.

Hint : I always provided the loads for the tasks.

;)
 
From my younger days when I could only afford ONE shotgun for all purposes, I bought a 28" modified. As you say, pattern it and then it would hit anything I pointed at with some accuracy. If I missed it was my fault or it didn't matter 'cause it was the only gun I had to use regardless. I heard familiar words in one of the earlier posts that said...

"Recall the standard barrels being 30"= full, 28" =modified, and 26" = IC."

Sounds familiar to me. Thanks for the memories :)
 
Thanks, folks...

Larry, the first shotgun Pop ever owned with less than Full was the SKB 20 gauge O/U that was his last. Choked IC/Mod, it surprised and delighted him with its effectiveness.

Bear, betcha you're using good quality shells with nice hard shot in that BT99. We always have to consider choke and load together.

Steve, snicker back.One possible bennie of my posting this is I may not have to answer the question at the top quite so often.

LM works when we do....

Milkmaster, a 28" barreled 870 choked Mod comes close to the mythical all around shotgun.

You're very welcome...
 
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I used to be a hard core full choke guy unless i was grouse hunting. as of late i changed to modified and i love it. i personaly hit more birds and have a higher "dead" percentage with a modified as i am not hitting them with the fringe of the pattern. I love my modified!
 
Light modified is the choke I use for 90 per cent of my sporting clays. I'd rather spend more time reading the targets than twirling chokes in and out of my shotgun.

I don't do patterning in the traditional sense of counting pellets in a 30" circle. I pattern to determine POI. what distance holes open up that would allow a clay target to slip through and whether the shot is evenly distributed through the pattern. The goal is to ensure I have enough pattern to get the job done.

Light modified will put enough pellets out at 45 yards that I wouldn't change constrictions and yet is open enough that unless a target is right in my face I probably won't change to a more open choke.

My guns all go to the range with Light Modified installed. It's what I use most often and if I forget my chokes in the car then I have the best one in the gun already.
 
kg, Don Zutz believed less is more when it came to grouse. He also believed in filling out the fringes of the pattern, which Mod and LM do better than Full.

Paul, agreed. The last couple rounds of SC I did with an 870 saw only the LM used, better scores validated my choice.

Some time soon I expect to pick up another Mod(16 POC) tube for the WOP gun and have one in each barrel for most stuff.
 
Bear, betcha you're using good quality shells with nice hard shot in that BT99. We always have to consider choke and load together.

Handloads, Windjammer wads, 1 1/8 oz. 7.5 STS Magnum 6% shot going a bit over 1200 FPS.

Sorry I left that out; I posted that in the other thread. That was my point over there: quality round hard shot, square load, not going too fast, patterns so well that open chokes work a lot better than it would seem.

STS shot bounces and rolls on my floor like steel ball bearings. It's consistent in size, too. Makes a difference, as you say.
 
Sounds good, AB. Here West Coast is available, 5-6%, and round. Good stuff. With it in 8.5 size I can use IC from the 16 and get great breaks. Little smoke, but that's OK. Now I use 7.5 and live with the lower pellet count.

I did 1K of the 1 oz Windjammers,results consistent with those obtained with the CB clones of the WAA12SL.

The irony lies in the fact that we have better chokes than ever and need them less thanks to better ammo.
 
I have had good experience with pretty much every choke, but I never really cared so much what it said on the barrel unless I was shooting slugs or buckshot. It either hits to POA or not, and beyond that I compare how different loads perform for me.

Modified will shoot pretty much anything, so given the choice...

Granted I'm still waiting on that 28" Full 16 gauge barrel for the NEF, because its the only long barrel they offer in that gauge. Any day now that package of barrels with receiver should be arriving. A patterning session with posted range report will follow, assuming I can use my right arm afterward... My luck that barrel won't pattern worth a darn and I'll be using the 22" Mod 12 gauge barrel and eating my Wheaties before the turkey shoot. A 5lb 12 gauge just might make for a flinch... :uhoh:


gp911
 
gp, eagerly awaiting range report with 16 gauge barrel T&E.

Agreed on barrel markings. Another case of talk's cheap. Often they should be listed under Fiction.

Stilll, 15 POC in 12 gauge usually means good patterns out to 35 yards with most birdshot.

Does a 5 lb 12 gauge kick? Hoo, boy.....

I suggest a wearable pad like the PAST. Bob Allen has a good'un also.
 
Dave, I may strap a whole BOX of pads under my shirt when I try that barrel...

That came out sounding wrong... :uhoh:

:D


gp911
 
Leaving that last alone....

gp, my very first shotgun was a H&R 16 gauge. The very first accessory I bought with my own money was a slip on pad. 1 1/8 oz goose loads out of that little 16 killed at one end and crippled at the other.
 
Light Mod

Dave,
In American Sportingclays, I use Light Mod [ 15 thousandts of and inch constriction] for 80% of my shots. For dove and duck hunting I use light mod for everything.........

For international clays, also known as FITASC, I shoot Improved Modified [ 25 thousandts of and inch] exclusively.
 
Thanks, Will. Your input is greatly appreciated. There's nothing like real world experience and you have that in spades.

FITASC has longer shots. More choke, within reason, makes sense.
 
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