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The Curse of The Gunnies, Again??

Discussion in 'Legal' started by alan, Aug 13, 2004.

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  1. alan

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    Regarding the resignation of New Jersey Governor James E. McGreevey, who as I recall, supported and signed that states Smart Gun Legislation, so-called, the following comes to mind.

    Over the years, a number of other prominent anti-gunners have come to grief respecting the law, and their actions. In no particular order, the names of these public figures follow. Former Maryland Governor Schaeffer, Former New York Congressman Mario Biaggi, former Governor of Illinois and Federal Court Judge Otto Kerner, former Queens New York District Attorney Tom Mackel. There might well be others too, the above short listing are merely names I happen to remember, at the moment. In any event, each of these anti-gunners seemingly felt that the strictures of the law, somehow did not apply to them. In the end, they found out otherwise, ergo the Curse of The Gunnies, or was it The Gunnies Curse?

    So far, Mr. McGreevey has been neither accused nor indicted, so far as I know, of violations of the law, though there do seem to be some questions posed. Mere questions do not indicate guilt, however with respect to the governors sudden resignation, one wonders as to whether or not The Curse of The Gunnies might still work.
     
  2. Rebar

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    I think there's a connection between contempt for the Constitution (category which anti-gunners fall into) and general contempt for the law, or at least the law as it applies to themselves.
     
  3. Shooter 2.5

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    Freedom versus safety.

    Freedom is finally winning.
     
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    In this case, I feel it's less an excercise in "gunny power", and more along the lines Rebar mentions.

    What little "gunny power" exists in NJ can't be effectively wielded there.

    Contempt for the Constitution and Contempt for the People will lead a politician to do things that will sooner or later get them into hot water.

    As gunnies, we are the "tripwire" folks, as our issue is usually on the bleeding edge of the assault of the collectivists.
     
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    I thought my freedom was the Constitution, and my security was my gun.
     
  6. Cool Hand Luke 22:36

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    I don't recall that Donald Schaeffer was particularly anti-gun or in any great legal trouble during hs term in office. What are you referring to?
     
  7. alan

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    Cool Hand Luke 22:36 asked:


    I don't recall that Donald Schaeffer was particularly anti-gun or in any great legal trouble during hs term in office. What are you referring to?

    I might have experienced a "memory malfunction" on the name. Thinking about it, now that you asked, does the name Marvin Mandell ring a bell? In any event, re the others mentioned, I have that right.
     
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    Cool Hand Luke 22:36:

    I was wrong on Schaeffer, it was Mandell. see the following, a google search. Political Graveyard. I wonder as to what the grounds for reversal of conviction might have been. Ditto for the pardon, though I do not believe that the pardoning authority, the governor??, is required to explain.

    Mandel, Marvin (b. 1920) Born in Baltimore, Md., April 19, 1920. Democrat. Served in the U.S. Army during World War II; lawyer; member of Maryland state house of delegates, 1952-69; Speaker of the Maryland State House of Delegates, 1964-69; Maryland Democratic state chair, 1968-69; Governor of Maryland, 1969-77, 1979; delegate to Democratic National Convention from Maryland, 1976. Jewish. Member, American Legion; Jewish War Veterans; Omicron Delta Kappa. Charged and convicted of mail fraud; his conviction was reversed in 1979, and he was later pardoned. Still living as of 2001. Books about Marvin Mandel: Bradford Jacobs, Thimbleriggers : The Law v. Governor Marvin Mandel (out of print).
     
  9. Cool Hand Luke 22:36

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    alan:

    Thanks for the clarification.

    As for Mandel, he was the victim of a Federal Prosecutor's fishing trip spurred on by a nut-job of an ex-wife who dropped every dime she could on her husband while refusing to vacate the Governor's residence in Annapolis during the Mandel's messy divorce. Sort of a Martha Mitchell character.

    I believe they finally got Mandel on accepting a wrist watch and a couple of suits from a friend who was also a state contractor. The gifts in total exceeded the max amount allowed. Really small potatos.

    Mandel is still alive AFAIK, last I heard he was still practicing law and involved in State politics.

    Donald Schaeffer is a character in his own right, and was a pretty effective Governor. Never was indicted for anything which is good for any Maryland politico.
     
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