The deer control "Quiet Shotgun" (7 foot barrel!)

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Controlling deer population
Committee making progress; eyeing quiet shotgun



By KATHIE DICKERSON
Staff Writer
http://www.centralohio.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/B9/20050607/NEWS01/506070301/1002&template=B9

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COSHOCTON - It's a prototype that's been used for two years in the Minneapolis, Minn., area.

Members of the Citizens of Coshocton Committee for Urban Deer Population Control heard a demonstration of the Quiet Shotgun, which was developed by Wendell Diller of Minnesota.

Diller is a hunter, and like many rural areas, his game habitat has been invaded by city-dwellers who look for a quiet place in the country to retire, he said.

"When they hear a 12-gauge shotgun go off it freaks them out," he said.

Residents disturbed by the sound of gun shots often call the sheriff, even though Diller isn't violating any laws.

He wondered what sound a bullet would make if it traveled in a longer barrel, and developed the Quiet Shotgun.

Crafted of aircraft aluminum that attaches to a shotgun barrel, the patented design is perforated with holes every few inches, which allows some of the gases to dissipate a little at a time.
{{ Isn't this a silencer???}}} H.T.

It's much like letting the air out of a car tire instead of having a tire blowout, Diller said.

The barrel Diller used at Monday night's demonstration was 50 inches long, however, some of them can be up to 7 feet, according to his Web site at www.dillerdesign.com/quietgun.

A regular shotgun was fired during the demonstration and the sound echoed off the hillsides. The slug traveling through the Quiet Shotgun barrel made a hissing noise, and the sound of it firing was similar to that of an air rifle.

The Urban Deer Population Control committee was formed earlier this year when a number of city council members had heard complaints from residents about deer in the neighborhoods causing auto accidents and foraging on landscape plants.

The committee is still discussing issues like where and when hunters will be able to harvest deer from the city.

Some ideas are limiting hunting to parcels of land that are five acres or more, requiring hunters to take a safety course and obtain a special permit from the wildlife conservation officer.

Even with a more quiet firearm, council is concerned about safety, said Steve Mercer, Coshocton City Council member.

But Diller also addressed that issue.

"If you're going to hunt in urban areas it's also important to be safe," said Diller, who has developed a special slug using bird shot that is designed to shatter on impact instead of ricocheting aimlessly if the game target is missed.

The deer population in Coshocton is reaching the point that it's placing more and more demand on the habitat, said H. Dewey Thompson, an adviser to the committee, a hunter and a wildlife conservationist.

The number of deer living in and around the perimeter of the city is approaching 60 to 100 per square mile, he said. It's leading to an increase in the number of car/deer accidents and to more property damage suffered by landowners.

"Ideally that number should be 20 to 30, and that's a little high," he said.

The Quiet Shotgun isn't being produced at this time, although Diller said he's developed weapons that are used by professionals in Minneapolis parks where about 500 deer will be harvested this year.
 
wouldn't this run afoul the silencer regs?

If not - why couldn't we all modify our barrels to make our rifles more quiet?
 
Even if this doesn't run afoul of the regulations on sound suppressors it's still nothing more than a workaround for an idiotic Prohibition-era law passed in the days before urban sprawl and medical understanding of cumulative hearing loss.
 
I'm not a lowlife . . er .. lawyer :D nor do I play one on the internet...

I think however it IS a silencer as pertains to the NFA because it is attached to the firearm. You can build a box/room filled with baffles/sound absorbing material to shoot through & you are ok as it isn't attached (shooting through a series of tires strapped together hanging from the ceiling filled with insulation for example) to the weapon in question.

Here though, while his intentions are benign, Mr. Diller could be in deep trouble if the ATF has nothing better to do the day they read the article.

Cool idea though.
 
I actually don't see the point.
We have had firearm suppressors for over 100 years. They accomplish the same thing in a much more usable package.
This is a Rube Goldberg device. He has made something ridiculous to duplicate something that already exists in a much more practical form.
 
It's not a supressor... it's just barrel porting on a 7 foot long barrel. Firing really big Mag-Safe like loads.
Clever.

But 7 feet? Sheesh.
 
You can equip your standard shotgun with a barrel extension from Hastings that produces the same effect. Using standard loads, it's hardly audible compared to a normal shotgun. Cabela's has them in stock - see here. I want one! :D


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Agreed George - He'll have a market for it if town like that will allow it but not other firearms in thier hunting - er living - areas. Just a clever end run around anti laws that'll probably never see a use in my state. Hope it makes it where it needs to be as it will give more hunting opportunity to the urbanly oppressed.
 
My point exactly.
I realize this is appearently not considered a suppressor although it works in exactly the same way as a suppressor. A suppressor is basically just a tube with ports that allow the gasses to cool and escape slowly: same as this long barrel.
Instead it accomplishes the same thing as a suppressor though a totally unweily contraption.
Why not just buy a real suppressor ?
Especially if you are a government agency attempting to thin the deer herd ?
Granted, suppressors are not common for shotguns, but a shotgun isn't the best weapon for the task either. After living in Ohio for over 20 years I wouldn't expect them to think outside the box and just use a suppressed rifle.
 
If it's a state fish & game (or similar) department doing the harvesting of problem wildlife, I expect that they would not have to pay the $200 tax nor worry about being in season. Or work with your local bowhunters.

Seems legal to me. There's no maximum barrel length specified by NFA and it is simply ported. Still, it is a stupid work around for a stupid (anti-suppressor) law.

After living in Ohio for over 20 years I wouldn't expect them to think outside the box.
You are so right there!


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I wonder what the DB reduction is per foot of additional barrel? What would a 10' barrel sound like?
 
Why not just buy a real suppressor ?
Because the average person isn't aware that they are legal to own, and of those who are, many of them are not willing to go through the onerous costs and legal hoops to get one.

And nevermind the fact that because suppressors have been relegated to the status of a rare specialty item that the cost to the consumer is raised as well.
 
Why not just buy a real suppressor ?

Because the tax stamp alone costs more than that barrel extension.

If something like that is allowed to be purchased without a tax stamp (it does atach on a barrel, and its purpose is to reduce noise), why not just allow all supressors to be sold over the counter?
 
IT IS NOT A SUPPRESSOR !!!! IT IS JUST A LOOONNNNGGG BARRELL.


At seven feet long it does, however, need a bayonet lug. Then you can gut them before you shoot them.

Sounds like an excellent idea for Suburban/urban areas that are overrun with deer.
 
"IT IS NOT A SUPPRESSOR !!!! IT IS JUST A LOOONNNNGGG BARRELL."

Ok, let's try a little fun exercise: Give me your definition of a suppressor.


"Crafted of aircraft aluminum that attaches to a shotgun barrel, the patented design is perforated with holes every few inches, which allows some of the gases to dissipate a little at a time."

Obviously, this isn't a long barrel.


I am pretty sure that suppressors are legal in Ohio.
I am pretty sure it is illegal to hunt with a suppressor in Ohio.
The cost of this totally impractical "barrel extension" is about the same as a tax stamp.
If you don't own a suppressor or can't own a suppressor: that doesn't make them bad.
 
Safe hunting/shooting has nothing to do with how much noise a firearm makes or doesn't make. It's where the projectile ends up. This idiocy does not ensure safe hunting/shooting anywhere. The shot or slug will still keep going if the shooter misses.
"...is perforated with holes every few inches, which allows some of the gases to dissipate a little at a time..." That says 'muzzle brake' to me.
 
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