The deer control "Quiet Shotgun" (7 foot barrel!)

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Hi Guys,

I think the point here, and the reason it is NOT a silencer, is probably because the gas vents through the ports directly into the atmosphere, NOT into a surrounding "can", eg. suppressor.....

just my 2 cents FWIW

Mike
 
So this thing is sub MOA at 7 feet right?

:evil:

i can't imagine that other than punt gunning, a 7 foot barrel being very fieldable. Heck, getting it up yer ladder stand and deploying it to cover a shooting lane would be tricky.
 
this is the same concept used for Spudcannons. you know, PVC cannons that shoot potatoes and such with hairspray as a fuel. longer teh barrel, the more fuel is consumed and the pressure is equalized more before the ammo leaved the barrel.

without the holes, and making it permanantly attached to the barrel, i don't think the ATF would have a problem.

~TMM
 
Umm, there's this thing called a "bow" & it shoots skinny sticks that are pointy on the end called "arrows." It's veeewy, veeewy quiet...

Seriously, it seems almost like an American cultural characteristic that someone will come up with a really odd device to solve a problem that can be solved in a much simpler fashion. FWIW more and more communities are licensing bow hunters for deer control. Of course, you know some day a soccar mom is going to shoot espresso out her nose when she walks out to her Lincoln Navigator to take the kids three blocks to school and trips over a gut pile. :what:
 
I wonder what the pattern would be like over a normal length barrell? To me it seems that it would be tighter for a bit longer distance....
 
Regardless of NFA and ATF regs, isn't it illegal to hunt with a sound suppressed firearm?

Sure the feds will leave you alone, but the game wardens might pull your hunting license :p
 
Don't know about all states but in Virginia it's illegal to hunt with a silencer.

As for patterns, I seem to remeber the guys who did turkey shoots have gone to much longer barrels so the barrel pressure is next to nothing as the shot comes out. Apparently this greatly tightens patterns.
 
I saw the Minnesota article a few years ago. One of the guys featured had a barrell around 8 feet long. These two in the article used their shotties for crow hunting in residential areas. They did quite well, although a bbl that long has a lot of momentum!

According to a letter from the ATF they are not considered suppressors. The ones they had were not extensions; they were actual barrells with lots of porting.

JB
 
Don't know about all states but in Virginia it's illegal to hunt with a silencer.
Again, these are not for "hunting." They are for urban (wild) animal control. "Fish & Game" or DNR can always look the other way or has exemptions built into the law for these circumstances. OTOH, they may be useful for hunting where it is legal to do so but would "scare the sheep" to hear booms and bangs.
 
2 points

1. This is a muzzle device designed to suppress a firearm. I don't care if it's 8" long or 8' long. I don't care if some gas goes out vent holes.

2. The dang thing's gonna get bent!
 
If this vented barrel was considered a noise suppressor, then all the paintball kids would be in trouble because 90% of their barrels have ported venting along the entire length of their barrels.

If it was considered a silencer because it is a length of tubing with holes in it, what stretch of the imagination would it take for the ATF to call muzzle brakes and flash suppressors really short noise suppressors because it is a lenth of tubing with various holes or slots cut out of it?

All ATF-labeled noise suppressors I've seen have a self-contained unit in which no gases are directly vented into the atmosphere. Rather, they're slowed and trapped through a series of enclosed baffles, much like some aftermarket automotive muffler designs.
 
Diller is a hunter, and like many rural areas, his game habitat has been invaded by city-dwellers who look for a quiet place in the country to retire,
Well guess what? Their own ideas of an area just got hit with a dose of reality. A lot of rural areas have gunfire during hunting seasons. Which by the way can go on all year round with the various hunting seasons.
Now I would sure like to see them take one of those shotguns in the brush around me. :D
 
Cesiumsponge
Your two examples leave out one very important factor. This tube (not barrel) acts to decrease the noise of a firearm. It is sold expressly for that purpose and it was designed and built specifically for that purpose.

That isn't the case with paintball guns or muzzle brakes or flash suppressors.
During the Vietnam war there was a short version of the M16 that was issued to special forces soldiers. I don't remember the specifics but the barrel was something like 10" long. A tube was attached to the barrel that acted as a "sound modifier". It brought the noise of the gun shot down to the level of a normal 20" M16. That is still pretty freaking loud by the way, but because it decreases the noise to some degree, that device to this day is considered an NFA weapon and requires a tax stamp to posses. Remember, after adding this tube to the barrel, the gun is still as loud as the standard service rifle of the day (20" M16), but because it changed the intensity of the sound to any degree it all, it is classified as an NFA weapon.
 
There is no top limit to barrel length. Longer barrels are more quiet. Barrel extensions are legal. Barrel porting is legal. Without a new law, this is perfectly legal.

Silencers, are not legal in all states. In the states where they are legal, (such as TX) it's often illegal to hunt with them.
 
I believe this device is a clever trick being promoted behind the scene by the makers of guns safes and gun cases.

Wouldn't that pokey feeling in the ribs be a tip-off to the deer something was about to happen?


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If you look at the ATF's own rulings, this must be considered a illegal. In the military, Shorty M16s come with a LOOONG flash supressor (like 5 inches). You've all seen them, they just look like a long flash supressor. I think all the M4s now have them. These are illegal for us to own cause they supress some of the sound, according to an ATF ruling made years ago..
 
I am not Gino, but I posted the same information in post #41.
I am not going to look for a reference, but that is common knowlege. There have been threads about it on this board as well as many threads about it on AR15.com.
 
point one.. The ATF knows all about these and does not consider them to be a silencer/suppressor.

point two. "If you look at the ATF's own rulings, this must be considered a illegal. In the military, Shorty M16s come with a LOOONG flash supressor (like 5 inches)." not so, commercial versions have the long flash hider, barrel extgension, Military versions do not and the military is not bound by NFA regs. they want a 10" M16 and can get it to work, they can have it.

point three, even in rural Ohio, ignorant people call the sherriff for gunshots even when legal....How about those people getting fined for undue abuse of a 911 system. In the city, for game control and such i understand the need for this system, I have used this system, but out inthe country, too many moron think that peace and quiet and tranquility are the country way, not realizing that tractors, chainsaws and gunfire are a normal part of rural life.

My father in law finally sold his farm and moved after a subdivision was built on the preperty next to him and they SUED him and WON over him running his tractor a 5:30 am when he was cleaning out the horse barn. They also tried to sue him for damages from the ODOR of the horse manure in the waste pile. he won out by selling the farm to a young farmer who was part of a hog operation. Always wonder what those people think about 300,000 dollar houses with a hog farm inthe back yard.
 
silenced shotgun

I visited a Finnish gun website a short while ago.
The government of Finland encourages the use of
silencers as hearing protection for hunters and target
shooters and they think our NFA ATF regs on silencers are silly.

The five foot barrel extension is not exactly concealable
so ATF Tech branch probably does not foresee a criminal
demand.

Silencers were banned mainly because pulp fiction writers
and B-movie makers overused them, not because they
were necessary for crime. I have fired a .45 and a .357
into a log inside a house in a residential area and no one outside
the house noticed or complained; Geof Boothroyd did the
same experiment for Ian Fleming with the same result.

(Oh, legally firing a gun inside my city limits is illegal IF there
is the chance the missile will cross property lines or a treet or
alley and "missile" includes bullets, arrows, rocks, etc.).

Silencers are overrated as gangster weapons and on hot days
at the range wearing plugs and earmuffs I begin to think that
a $200 NFA tax stamp would be a good investment.

The last time I checked, ATF would allow you to attach a
"silencer" to a shooting bench as long as it was not attached
to the gun, and I have seen plans for such that are basicly a
box holding 5 or six motorcycle tires.
 
Cesiumsponge,

If this vented barrel was considered a noise suppressor, then all the paintball kids would be in trouble because 90% of their barrels have ported venting along the entire length of their barrels.

Paintball guns are not firearms, that's why all the PC types now refer to them as markers. Plus, when I played paintball years ago, I owned a silencer for my paintball gun. It was completely useless as a silencer, but it was an awesome muzzlebrake and helped stabilize the (not so round at the time)ball greatly. This was the days before the muzzlebrake and rifling (by porting the holes) was common. IIRC, the helical porting didn't show up for another 2-3 years.
 
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