Mike1234567
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RE: Guns and Dentists...
Sorry, dude, but everyone hates dentists.
Sorry, dude, but everyone hates dentists.
The dentist, Guns, and a pain in my face!
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Fishslayer
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Reading my mind!
Wonder if the dentist might be a little more "sensitive" if the patient is packin' a .45?
"This isn't going to hurt a bit."
"I know."
84B20
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RE: Guns and Dentists...
Sorry, dude, but everyone hates dentists.
Not true. I have always had good dentists and liked them all. I learned this long ago (please forgive me if you've heard this before) "Only floss the teeth you want to keep."
Bobson
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Some dentists squirt a small amount of Lidocaine onto the gums where they'll inject it, to help prevent any pain from the needle itself. It's also used in many over-the-counter topical sprays like Hurricane Liquid and Orajel. However, it's also extremely effective when injected directly - even for oral surgery. No form of orally injected anesthetic used by dentists will inhibit a person's ability to drive, and none would make someone guilty of DUI.
Prescription painkillers, nitrous oxide (laughing gas), and Versed (used to decrease short-term memory, like when you go in for oral surgery / 3rd molar removal) all will make you guilty of DUI. Luckily, most dentists will tell you if you shouldn't be driving because of what they gave you. And those who don't could lose their license to practice.
84B20
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Thank you. You saved me a call to my dentist.
Madcap_Magician
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It would be irresponsible to carry if you knew you were going to be under general or waking anesthesia, but local anesthesia shouldn't produce any problems...
When I had my wisdom teeth out several months ago they were adamant about having somebody drive you to and from. The person who brought you was not even allowed to leave while you were there. They weren't messing around. Somebody was to be there to drive you home. And for good reason. It took us 40 minutes to get home and I vaguely remember about 10 seconds of it. Actually, maybe only 5 seconds. And I took a whole bunch of pictures with my phone I do not recall.
I certainly didn't carry that time. I very rarely go anywhere without a gun unless it is a legal matter. The gym, the beach, and wisdom tooth removal. Other than that I am armed where legal.
84B20
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It goes without saying; no one going under any anesthesia that renders one unconscious should have a weapon on their person.
It should go without saying. You obviously cannot expect to maintain control of it when you are unconscious. Not to mention the possibility of having an accident with it yourself. I felt kind of naked when I went. No gun, no pocket knife, no neck knife, no OC...nothing. Just my wallet, phone and keychain with a flashlight.
I'm NOT being critical of anybody and their practices. But whenever I go to a medical provider and I'm unsure of what treatment will follow, I either take someone with me or choose not to carry to that office. I don't want anybody shooting anything into me then wondering whether or not it has had an effect on me physically or mentally. I think you owe it to yourself to be on top of your game if you are carrying. Again, I'm not being critical of others. It's just something that needs to be planned for beforehand.
If you are already there and the treatment is suggested, ask your provider about side effects and tell them you are carrying. You might be surprised how much they appreciate being included in the process. If you've been with them awhile, you probably have built a good relationship with them. They can tell you if what they are giving you has possible dangers involved and can postpone treatment if necessary.
If you are already there and the treatment is suggested, ask your provider about side effects and tell them you are carrying. You might be surprised how much they appreciate being included in the process. If you've been with them awhile, you probably have built a good relationship with them. They can tell you if what they are giving you has possible dangers involved and can postpone treatment if necessary.
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chihuahuatn
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You mean Benzocaine...(Hurricane Liquid and Orajel)
paramedic70002
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I've had nitrous once. It was a nice dental procedure but I don't think I was too loopy to respond to a threat. Not loopy at all, just happy.
Those dental -caines certainly don't impair but I wouldn't put it past a nut LEO or prosecutor to try throwing someone under the bus.
Here's more info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dental_anesthesia
An antidote for dental numbing:
http://www.mckinneydentist.com/oraverse.html
Those dental -caines certainly don't impair but I wouldn't put it past a nut LEO or prosecutor to try throwing someone under the bus.
Here's more info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dental_anesthesia
An antidote for dental numbing:
http://www.mckinneydentist.com/oraverse.html
As stated by "Chuhi..." sorry that's a keyboard full!
Local anesthetics such as lidocaine (we don't use novocaine anymore) will not impair you in any way to operate a vehicle or CCW.
For the post about having the wisdom teeth out and being loopy and not remembering...you had more than local anesthetic. You also had a sedative (oral or IV) that required a driver to take you home post treatment.
Nitrous oxide (laughing gas) is different because it's inahlation. When we shut it off and let you breathe some oxygen for a while you are good to go. It really has no lasting sedation so you don't require a driver to take you home.
The topical anesthetics found in OTC stuff like throat sprays etc is almost always benzocaine.
Local anesthetics such as lidocaine (we don't use novocaine anymore) will not impair you in any way to operate a vehicle or CCW.
For the post about having the wisdom teeth out and being loopy and not remembering...you had more than local anesthetic. You also had a sedative (oral or IV) that required a driver to take you home post treatment.
Nitrous oxide (laughing gas) is different because it's inahlation. When we shut it off and let you breathe some oxygen for a while you are good to go. It really has no lasting sedation so you don't require a driver to take you home.
The topical anesthetics found in OTC stuff like throat sprays etc is almost always benzocaine.
Loosedhorse
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Local anesthetics used for local (injection) anesthesia often contain epinephrine. That can make you nervous, sweaty, and shaky; in a few people, it has the potential to make them paranoid.
Bottom line: as a practical matter, if you're safe to drive a car, you're safe to carry a gun. As a legal matter, if your state prohibits carry for ANY amount of blood alcohol (0.01%) it may take a similar stance on any potentially judgement-impairing medication.
Neither lidocaine nor epinephrine are generally considered intoxicating, but beware creative prosecutors. Scenario: stopped for speeding after being at the dentist's; you can't talk properly; field sobriety check; found to be carrying; written up as carrying while intoxicated. Far-fetched? Could be; I certainly know of no such cases.
As you would expect, those most severe reactions generally occur only in cases of life-threatening overdose; but some will experience noticeable side effects at "standard" dosages.
Bottom line: as a practical matter, if you're safe to drive a car, you're safe to carry a gun. As a legal matter, if your state prohibits carry for ANY amount of blood alcohol (0.01%) it may take a similar stance on any potentially judgement-impairing medication.
Neither lidocaine nor epinephrine are generally considered intoxicating, but beware creative prosecutors. Scenario: stopped for speeding after being at the dentist's; you can't talk properly; field sobriety check; found to be carrying; written up as carrying while intoxicated. Far-fetched? Could be; I certainly know of no such cases.
Grayrock
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Speaking of novocaine in your gun hand...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3A5DZbVvLc&playnext=1&list=PL30C26DF60A112ACF
It's a classic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3A5DZbVvLc&playnext=1&list=PL30C26DF60A112ACF
It's a classic.
Strykervet
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I heard that. Save some of that novocaine for my hand! My 340PD is brutal!
You can't be under the influence of novocaine. Cocaine is different.
What exactly is under the influence though? Influence suggests the normal you isn't totally in control. That should need to be apparent. If the cop can't tell by looking at you, you don't need to tell him. Once upon a time maybe you could have a normal discussion with a cop, but sadly these days that just isn't true. The stakes are too high and chance of running into a trash cop are too.
If you get pulled over, never divulge information. They aren't your friends. And with the type of person they attract and hire these days, it is only getting worse.
As far as when you shouldn't carry, when you are under the influence, well, you should know what your limitations are. You should know yourself. Know that if you can't or shouldn't drive, you probably shouldn't carry in public.
Then there is the meaning of the law and the letter of the law. The letter of the law is oftentimes ridiculous. For instance, if you had nitrous oxide, you would have been under the influence, albeit briefly. To be in total compliance, you would have to put your piece in the car, take the gas, do the metabolic math or draw blood to determine blood levels, then go back and get it ONLY when your blood tests within certain limits. This is the only way to be certain. See how ridiculous this is? To compound matters, some cops think the police academy gave them an MD too, and they act as de facto doctors. Hence their threats and "advice".
Again, what is under the influence? A person taking painkillers for a root canal may be under the influence, while a chronic pain patient isn't. They just feel normal. Since they aren't addicts by definition, and they aren't under the influence per se, then do you think it is okay for them to carry? From what I have heard, the answer is yes. You can be on morphine or whatever and carry as long as you take it as prescribed and it doesn't adversely affect you in a mental or physical capacity. You don't sign away your Constitutional Rights because you are disabled. But tell a cop this and they will deem you under the influence (I guess they can do this by virtue of their medical training or possibly they saw that Little House on the Prarie episode where the younger brother got doped up on morphine). Hence, keep your mouth shut. By opening it, you can only give away your rights, not maintain them.
Basically you have the responsibility of safe carry in public. If you are responsible enough to do that, you should be responsible enough to be honest with yourself and not carry when think you may not be fit.
Another perspective is this. In the army, you can't drink 24hrs. before firing a rifle or driving military vehicles. So when you are on QRF, you can't drink at all. Same deal when guarding ammo. But this didn't stop them from putting this moron wasted on ecstasy, meth, heroin, cocaine, and a bunch of other suff (he was trying to get kicked out and testing hot for marijuana didn't cut it) on a SAW to qualify. They did it as punishment to him, he was sucking real bad doing anything but laying in bed. I just had to be there because I needed to qualify and I didn't mind walking a few miles and firing a few thousand rounds (well, not to qualify) on a Saturday morning. But when I got there, he was passing out on the gun, couldn't stand up or walk straight, and frankly, he looked like he was dying. I was scared to be next to him. So ask yourself, would a reasonable stranger not put off by carrying in general be scared to be next to me in the condition I am in?
BIGBANG
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OH MY GOD that video was hilarious!!! I laughed so hard! totally made my day! but yea I didn't even know novacaine wasn't being used anymore but good to know the difference between local anesthetics and more altering ones thanks for clearing it up guys!
Dr_B
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That was the case with my SP101. But my Sig is another story. Excellent holster for that gun, and it's my daily carry. But enough said; don't want to divert attention from the thread.
doc2rn
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There is a group of scheduled drugs that are in fact controlled as impairing. Local annesthetic is not a scheduled drug so my answer to that would be a resounding No.
Sav .250
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Shades of 1850............
cambeul41
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I have had the same experience, but say "I am carrying a little extra weight."
Both my dentist and his hygienist are gun owners. He has suggested that she carry while at work.
ForumSurfer
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I'm a strong proponent of carrying everywhere (where it is legal). It is my right to do so, period.
Will I need it? Probably not. But if I went on that logic, I'd just never carry it. If I knew I would need it, I'd stay home and safe. If that wasn't an option (and I can't imagine why it wouldn't be!), I'd bring a rifle and a few acquaintances with more rifles.
My inability to speak clearly should not affect my right to carry. Should we ban the right to carry for people who are mute, have speech impediments or the deaf?
I have a drooling condition, anyway. This is further amplified around gun stores or when I am near my gorgeous girlfriend. The only danger that poses is slipping on my own puddle. If that is an issue, we should ban firearms on rainy days.
Now if you are sedated in any way, we are talking about a different story. But something mild like the local the dentist gives you will not impair your judgement. If it does, you should have second thoughts about carrying after you rake 1000mg of ibuprofen, as well. We all know our own bodies, and we should be granted the right to make the judgement call for ourselves.
Getting off my soap box now...
Will I need it? Probably not. But if I went on that logic, I'd just never carry it. If I knew I would need it, I'd stay home and safe. If that wasn't an option (and I can't imagine why it wouldn't be!), I'd bring a rifle and a few acquaintances with more rifles.
My inability to speak clearly should not affect my right to carry. Should we ban the right to carry for people who are mute, have speech impediments or the deaf?
I have a drooling condition, anyway. This is further amplified around gun stores or when I am near my gorgeous girlfriend. The only danger that poses is slipping on my own puddle. If that is an issue, we should ban firearms on rainy days.
Now if you are sedated in any way, we are talking about a different story. But something mild like the local the dentist gives you will not impair your judgement. If it does, you should have second thoughts about carrying after you rake 1000mg of ibuprofen, as well. We all know our own bodies, and we should be granted the right to make the judgement call for ourselves.
Getting off my soap box now...
84B20
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I'm a strong proponent of carrying everywhere (where it is legal). It is my right to do so, period.
Will I need it? Probably not. But if I went on that logic, I'd just never carry it. If I knew I would need it, I'd stay home and safe. If that wasn't an option (and I can't imagine why it wouldn't be!), I'd bring a rifle and a few acquaintances with more rifles.
My inability to speak clearly should not affect my right to carry. Should we ban the right to carry for people who are mute, have speech impediments or the deaf?
I have a drooling condition, anyway. This is further amplified around gun stores or when I am near my gorgeous girlfriend. The only danger that poses is slipping on my own puddle. If that is an issue, we should ban firearms on rainy days.
Now if you are sedated in any way, we are talking about a different story. But something mild like the local the dentist gives you will not impair your judgement. If it does, you should have second thoughts about carrying after you rake 1000mg of ibuprofen, as well. We all know our own bodies, and we should be granted the right to make the judgement call for ourselves.
Getting off my soap box now...
As far as I'm concerned you can stay on that soap box as long as you wish!
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