THE dumbest 'gamesmanship' example ever

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has got to be the 3-gun shotguns with the tube mag extending a couple feet out past the bbl to hold 16 rounds or some such. That has got to be the stupidist thing I've ever seen. Is your home defense gun really gonna have that on it? If so, how you gonna turn a corner? If not, then do you want training to even BEGIN to mirror reality at all, in terms of practicing reloading skills, handling characteristics, etc.? Raise your hand if your competition shotgun tube mag extends more than 1" past the barrel. Now look at your hand. If it's raised, go ahead and slap yourself.
 
Um...the answer is in your title...

It's a GAME, a shooting SPORT, not defense training. Some classes of competition are geared for defense, but they're all games of some sort and not really replacements for training. If you want training, go to a school.

So what if some folks have an egregiously long tube-magazine on their competition gun?

Are you also going to complain about the competition-grade O/U shotguns used in olympic sports that nobody would carry afield due to weight or gadgetry attached to them? After all, all those competition guns are really good for are...competitions...

Or how about Barrett .50-cal rifles? Are those just as stupid as extended shotgun mags because nobody really uses them to hunt, only for fun and games?

Different tools for different jobs, that's all there is to it.
 
Live and let Live, if I don't like something, I don't do it, life is too short to worry about other people's business.
 
It's a game; people do it for different reasons.

Tactical and Limited division shotguns are generally limited to 9 rounds, which is the capacity of a regular 18.5" shotgun. Open shotguns have no such limitation. Many people don't consider Open division pistols practical either.

There are a lot of 26-30" shotgun barrels out there, meant for hunting or some other sporting use, and I bet they don't do house CQB that great either.
 
Are you also going to complain about the competition-grade O/U shotguns used in olympic sports that nobody would carry afield due to weight or gadgetry attached to them?
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Yes.

Or how about Barrett .50-cal rifles?
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No, of course not - they are in the configuration that is optimized for the use for which they are intended.

Live and let Live, if I don't like something, I don't do it, life is too short to worry about other people's business
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Sure, well, OK, but I'm still gonna comment on how utterly stupid it is. Yes, ESDs on pistols in open division and race holsters are colossally stupid too, but this one takes the cake.
 
So, out of curiosity, is there something in particular that drove you to this rant? Or are you just trying to get your post count up...?
 
There are a few different variations of “3-gun” out there and just as you won’t be defending your home with a broom handle size mag tube you also would likely not strap on a pile of shotgun speed loaders to fill it with either. The problem is if anyone can load up to 16 shells and you don’t have a USAS 12 or a Saiga 12 and you want to compete your out of luck unless you put on the big stick.

Look at it this way, when NASCAR started the idea was race on Sunday and sell on Monday. Now, do you know how many of the cars that race on Sunday can be purchased on Monday with a V8? How about rear wheel drive? No, what about a manual transmission? What about a Carburetor? I could go on but you get the idea.

You make a sport out of anything and things evolve out of necessity not practicality. You’re great grandpas side by side might have been just the ticket on a stage coach but has about as much chance winning a 3-gun match as your wife’s Camery does the Talladega 500.
 
the point of playing a game is to win the game. If the long mag tubes help win the game, then they are perfect.
 
Competition guns are for competition. Defense guns are for defense. Dumb comments are dumb.

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No, of course not - they are in the configuration that is optimized for the use for which they are intended.
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You are aware that some .50 BMG long-distance competitors keep their ammunition refrigerated, right? Perhaps you should start a thread lambasting them for doing something so "stupid" and telling them to "give themselves a slap."
 
A buddy of mine has a Remington 1100 12 gauge, 30 inch full choke barrel, with a Choate magazine extension tube that goes to the end of the barrel. It holds 12 rounds total, and the only downsides are it is very hard to maneuver inside the house, it is very heavy, and you can actually feel the balance of the shotgun change as you shoot it :). He has shot it in 3 gun matches, and he changes the extra long magazine spring often to make sure there is plenty of spring tension to maintain reliability.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr
 
Are you also going to complain about the competition-grade O/U shotguns used in olympic sports that nobody would carry afield due to weight or gadgetry attached to them?
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Most weights aren't THAT much different.....

What gadgetry are you speaking of?????
 
What gadgetry are you speaking of?????
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Look at some pictures of high-end competition O/U shotguns. I've seen many with fancy adjustable butt-plate attachments, comb adjustments, and weights can be fitted inside the stock to reduce felt recoil. That's what I'm speaking of.

Not sure how to post these pics, but a quick google search:

http://www3.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Olympics+Day+4+Shooting+FbTl_trUpR5l.jpg

http://www4.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Olympics+Day+4+Shooting+RMRwme7di5il.jpg

http://www.blackfive.net/photos/uncategorized/2008/08/18/eller_hrs_0880oly3eller_2.jpg


Those are most definitely NOT run-of-the-mill off-the-shelf field-grade shotguns.
 
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THE dumbest 'gamesmanship' example ever has got to be the 3-gun shotguns with the tube mag extending a couple feet out past the bbl to hold 16 rounds or some such. That has got to be the stupidist thing I've ever seen.
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You know the stupidest thing I've ever seen? There was this guy who knew nothing about guns or shooting, but he insisted on telling serious competitors how to shoot and set up their gear.

Raise your hand if your competition shotgun tube mag extends more than 1" past the barrel. Now look at your hand. If it's raised, go ahead and slap yourself.
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Arrogance and ignorance, all wrapped up in one delightful little post. You are a perfect example of why I rarely visit THR anymore.
 
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