The End of Gun Control

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The End of Gun Control

I know I'm preaching to the choir, but here it goes anyway....

If every gun owner would just get off their ??? and DO SOMETHING, there wouldn't be anymore gun control in the United States. We are 70, or 80, maybe 90 million strong. Do you know what kills freedom? LAZINESS. What follows is an article I wrote for the JPFO's "Bill of Rights Sentinel" a year and a half ago. Please read it...and write...write....write your elected officials. E-mails are better than nothing, but they are too easy to ignore and delete. Mail, on the other hand, shows that you care enough to DO SOMETHING. Also, mentioning consequences is good (legal, of course): "I will work against your reelection"..."I will never forget your efforts or lack thereof..." etc. Our forefathers fought and died in the mud. The least you and I can do is let our voices be heard.

Why Are You Losing Your Freedoms?
The Semantics of Manipulation

Semantics: the historical and psychological study and the classification of changes in the signification of words or forms viewed as factors in linguistic development

What is wrong with those on the political right and supporters of the Second Amendment? Why, in spite of their best efforts, do they continue to lose ground to those on the left? The reasons are many, the causes varied, but simply put, it is because those on the right do not understand how to communicate with the modern populace.

“When words lose their meaning, the people will lose their libertiesâ€--Confucius

THE LEFT vs. THE RIGHT
Emotionalizers vs. Intellectualizers

The political left tends to attract people who speak and reason through their feelings. “I feel your pain.†“What a hateful thing to say.†“How will that affect the underprivileged...the children?†They speak in a language of feelings and it is reflected in the words they use. Those on the political right, in contrast, tend to process information based on perceived structures of “reality†and what they perceive to be “common senseâ€. The gestalt of the left is a gestalt of inclusion (based on feelings of togetherness). The gestalt of the right is a gestalt of underlying reason and overall concepts. How do these groups interact within their own ranks?

Generally, when discussing things internally, those on the right hold up topics or ideas as “the point†of the discussion; tact and politeness, although they may be important, are secondary to the ideas and “truths†that each person is trying to defend or develop. Those on the right can, and often do, say things in their discussions and to each other that those on the left would consider insulting, but these things are not seen as offensive because individual words, even phrases, are secondary to the larger points and systems being pursued.

Those on the left, in contrast, when interacting with each other, although also concerned with some point, are much more worried about not pushing their opinions to the level of personal insult--and are very careful to avoid this--because the overall feeling of “community†and “group†must not be sacrificed because of abstract ideas. It is not uncommon for a member of the group to intervene in the discussion between two other members to smooth things over if cohesiveness might otherwise be lost.

Understanding the People

Consider our day and age. Do we live in a slower-paced or faster-paced world? Do more people read books or watch TV? Are you willing to read that thousand-page book or would you prefer to see the two-hour movie? Baseball was once the national pastime, but faster sports like football and basketball have overtaken baseball in popularity. What does this trend mean politically?

Put simply, most people no longer have the time or inclination to learn advanced systems of logic or be persuaded through long lectures or explanations; instead, they respond to sound bites and appeals to emotion. Does this make them easier to manipulate? Yes, but most people don’t care or even know they are being manipulated. It is hard enough just to hold a good job, run a household, and have time for the kids and recreation. When it comes down to the personal priorities or boring political discussions they’ll avoid the latter. So what does this mean? It means:

A fast-paced world full of people who reason emotionally equals victory for those on the political left.

Why? Because acting and reacting emotionally is already in line with their natural communication style; no adaptation is required. To win, they must simply continue to act and speak as they always do. The very structure of the modern world puts those on the political right at a disadvantage. So what must the right do differently to win?

Framing the Debate...the Power of Words

Moderator: “What is your position on gun control?â€

Leftist: “We must protect the children in our society from dangerous maniacs.â€

Person on the Right: “In 1776, our founding fathers got together and......[candidate then goes on for as long as he can until cut off by the moderator. After the first three lines, Joe voter gets up and goes to the refrigerator; he gets back just in time for the next question].

Moderator: “Tell us your positions on the purposed tax cuts.â€

Leftist: “The tax cuts would help only the wealthy while hurting the poor and disadvantaged.â€

Person on the Right: “I resent those accusations. While the rich would get more money back according to basic economics...[candidate then goes into a lecture on the nature of capitalism and money, and Joe voter decides he had enough of that in high-school and turns the channel to MTV].

Result: Joe enjoys the night listening to rock and roll and goes and votes for the leftist in the election.

In the minds of those on the left, it is very simple. Guns are dangerous and tax cuts hurt the poor. Is this true? Generally, no. But it sounds good, and it’s easy for the average person to comprehend.

What impression does the person on the right give? That the world is a complex place and you, Joe voter, haven’t studied the issues enough to know what is true and what isn’t, and your laziness is having a detrimental effect on our society. Is that true? Yes. But because people in our society have been trained through the vehicles of pop culture to react and be influenced through emotions, the fact that the person on the right is correct will not help him in his discussion or on election day if his presentation is emotionally assaulting. Let’s consider some notorious examples.

“Homophobia†and the “Assault Weapons†Ban

Leftist: “I fully support the assault weapons bans. No one needs an assault weapon. Gay marriage? Anyone who is against it is hateful and homophobic.â€

Person on the Right: "Uh...there’s nothing wrong with my assault weapon"...and “I’m not homophobic".

In this example, who framed the debate? The leftist. Did the person on the right attempt to reframe the debate? No. In fact, in his response, he did the worst thing possible. He actually strengthened and validated the original misleading “frame words†by repeating these leftist labels.

Why does this happen? Because those on the left naturally understand the impact of words better than those on the right. Why? Because they are emotionalizers who feel the impact of words more deeply than those on the right who tend to intellectualize. So what do those on the right need to know about communicating with the populace in the modern age?

THE EIGHT RULES/HOW TO TURN THINGS AROUND
Do you care about this great country and our sacred freedoms? Then here is what you need to do.

1) Do not unwittingly repeat inappropriate labels that the other side has coined.

In the game of persuasion, you give weight to the other side’s argument when you use the labels they chose. Lots of intelligent people on the right have started to figure this out. They realize that the associations people have to certain leftist labels need to be changed to the right's advantage. However, they have no idea how to do this. They go into big long discussions about the nature of guns, and how semi-autos (say the word “auto†as many times as possible and really make the leftists giggle with glee) are very common, and how there is nothing wrong (another point for the left) with them...etc..etc..etc... Who wins the public relations war when the game is played this way? The left.

You can try to change the public's perceptions through argumentation, but that is usually a losing strategy. Or you can enact change through what psychologists call "anchoring".

How do you anchor the left's labels to a bad (or good depending on the word and your purposes) feeling or connotation? By immediately countering deceptive labels with labels of your own. Every time they say "homophobic", you say "deophobic": fear of the ideas of God. Every time they say "assault weapon", you say "defense device" or "freedom stick" or "child protection tool". Whatever you do, do not repeat the labels they use. They want you to empower their viewpoint by using their words. That’s their strategy. Don't fall for it. Until the right figures this out, the left will continue to frame the debate to their purposes and the right will continue to aid the enemy in their own destruction.

2) Understand the impact of the words you use on the public...not just the impact that those words have on you.

Take the label "semi-auto" as an example. Anyone who understands guns knows that there is nothing wrong or inherently dangerous about a “semi-auto†gun. A large percentage of the guns in America are semi-autos. Gun owners can talk about semi-autos until the cows come home and not become anti-gun or become scared of the guns they own. However, those who aren’t educated hear the word "auto" and imagine that a bunch of "gun nuts" are walking around with unregulated machine-guns and then it’s "oh-no, we have to do something about it." You can understand what to do by first knowing what not to do. Do not assume that using the phrase "semi-auto" (or any other potentially negative sounding word or phrase) with the uninitiated people will help educate them or will help your cause. The more you do, the more you are violating rule number one and framing the debate to the left’s advantage.

3) Use already established associations...only later attempt to change those associations. (If you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em...until later).

Psychologists know that a would-be persuader has two choices: 1) attempt to change the associations a person has to certain words or ideas, or 2) use already established words and associations to your advantage. Get the order wrong, and you are in big trouble. Those on the right too often attempt to change a person’s associations before understanding what the person’s associations actually are. By doing this, they unwittingly insult the person emotionally and never get the chance to interact long enough to influence that person. To win, you must understand those “buttons†that already stimulate the populace to respond, and use those buttons to trigger people emotionally so they will be motivated to understand your ideas.

Example: “Gun control is classist, racist, and sexist. I don’t support those things.â€

This response turns the tables on the left by using their own trigger words against them. The left uses this trick because anyone who objects comes across as a supporter of racism, classism, and sexism. It doesn’t matter if the connection is unfair; the mere implication of racism is usually enough to convince the average citizen not to listen to the counter-arguments of a “racist†because no reasonable person would.

Can you, as someone on the right, feel good about adopting such a trick? Yes, because unlike the misleading assertions of those on the left, the above response is true. You are simply using a person’s already established buttons to convince him of something truthful instead of using those buttons to manipulate him. If the right is ever to gain political ground, they need to understand these word capture techniques.

Word capture: To capture and hold labels and phrases that the populace already has good emotional ties to, and by so doing, control and frame the political debate.

Word capture is an old propaganda tactic used by the communists. East Germany, for example, was called the GDR, the German Democratic Republic. Was it actually democratic? No. But by redefining the very meaning of the word “democracyâ€, those in power kept their people from developing a real understanding of the principles of liberty that would have empowered them to resistance communist rule.

Consider the word “liberal.†By using this term for themselves--many on the left also call themselves “progressivesâ€--leftists immediately associate themselves with progressive causes and values of liberty when their actual actions and attitudes support the exact opposite. How can conservatives fight this? By enacting truth in labeling rules in their own communications.

Your must work to capture words like liberal and progressive. Why? Because they actually belong to you. You’re the one who supports the ideas that will lead to a better future, and you are the defender of liberty, not the leftists.

So how do you do it? By using responses like:

“The liberal thing to do would be to support liberty by opposing gun-laws and other government control schemes. We need to progress toward a future of freedom, not a system that reenacts past tyrannies.â€

In addition, sound-bites and phrases must be developed to aid the right in the recapturing of stolen words. Liberals For Gun-Freedoms and Progress Toward Liberty. These are the type of slogans that must be repeated often and placed on signs and bumper-stickers.

The bottom line: label the opposition appropriately...“leftistâ€..“socialistâ€..“neo-communist.†Use words like “progressive†and “liberalâ€, but take ownership of them by associating them with your causes--causes and actions that really do support “liberty†and “progress†toward an improved society.

4) Length matters.

A) Short, to-the-point assertions should always be countered with short, to-the-point responses.

How many times have we lamented: “But if they just understood...if we could just educate them.†Yes, that would be great. But after the first three sentences most people just tune out the same way they did when they were thirteen and were being lectured by an angry parent.

Consider this usual sort of exchange:

Leftist: “Guns are dangerous.â€

Person on the Right: “Guns aren’t dangerous...there was a study recently...blah…blah...blah...â€

It is better to respond with a counter-phrase that is as short and to the point as the propaganda that requires your response. “Guns are tools.†“Guns protect children.†If a person is pushing anti-gun nonsense, he or she probably won’t be convinced no matter what you say, but the undecided listeners will remember your short, to-the-point response, not just the leftist deceptions.

B) A simplification (even a dumb one) that requires a long response will win in the game of influence.

Here’s a classic: “We license and register cars...why shouldn’t we license and register guns?â€

This idea is stupid. I could go on for fifty pages on why this is a manipulative comparison, but that’s the beauty of the question. It is easily rebutted, but not quickly. The average listener thinks, “Yeah, why don’t we register guns if we register cars?â€

The typical response from the right? A lecture...blah..blah...blah. Who wins? The leftist. Those on the right need to play the same game. Here’s a response that works in a lot of situations: “Why are leftists so anti-freedom?†That’s not easily answered in a sentence of two. Who wins? The supporter of liberty.

5) A few shared labels that are mediocre are better than hundreds of words and labels that are great but aren’t shared.

In the mind of most freedom-lovers, a hundred good reasons is better than just one or two reasons. Logically, this might make sense. On the playing field of persuasion, however, a hundred different people pushing a hundred different phrases just insures that no one’s message gets through to the populace.

Have you ever noticed that those on the left repeat the same things over and over? “Benefiting the rich and hurting the poor.†“That’s racism.†“I don’t support hate and intolerance.†It seems that no matter what the situation or issue, whether simple or complex, leftists manage to funnel everything into the frames of class-warfare rhetoric and hackneyed socialistic clichés. And it works. Why? Because the message gets through. By their very nature, in their discussions with each other, leftists are searching for common ground and shared ideas. When they find something upon which they all agree and feel good, then that is what they present to the public.

What do those on the right do? Build up the house of their logic with a million different bricks. Sure, the house is a mansion and not a hovel; too bad no one is going to follow them down the road to that mansion because blah...blah...blah isn’t very motivating.

"The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly...it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over." Joseph Goebbels. Nazi Propaganda Minister

Until a number of gun-rights groups get together and decide on shared sound-bites and labels, the left will continue to have the advantage. To influence the public, phrases of influence must be shared (and pushed by a number of different conservative groups--which generally hasn’t happened); they must be emotional; and they must hit upon buttons that have already been built into the public through the popular media.

6) Do not counter a leftist idea in such a way that you support a different leftist idea.

During the Clinton Administration, the NRA (love ‘em or curse ‘em...I can never decide which) fell for this one. When the leftists in Congress attempted to push through a whole batch of new gun laws, the NRA responded with, “We need to support the gun laws that are on the books...this administration won’t even prosecute those criminals who are already breaking the laws we have.†Now the second part of this statement is true enough, and was useful in that it pointed out the Clinton Administration’s hypocrisy and true purposes, but look at the first part of the statement: “We need to support the gun laws that are already on the books.†Do we? Sure that response countered a lot of the leftists’ fire, in the short-term, but it also had the NRA agreeing, in kind of a backhanded way, that guns laws are good.

A better response would have been, “Gun laws are classist, racist, and sexist. Why are leftists such hateful control-freaks?â This approach also would have blunted the attacks in the short-term, and wouldn’t have created long-term problems and default agreement with the very people organizations like the NRA should be fighting.

[For an entire list of inappropriate responses to avoid, see the article “Give It to Them Straight†by John Ross, Author of Unintended Consequences. (http://www.shotgunnews.com/members/fred/pages/Freds8.html)]

(Cont. End of Gun Control Part 2)
 
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End of Gun Control Part 2

7) Seek to influence, not convert.

Does all this talk about propaganda, influence, and manipulation make you feel uncomfortable? “I hate it when those on the left simplify things to the point of stupidity...I don’t ever want to be that way.†“I don’t want to manipulate anyone...I want people to understand the truth so we will all be better, smarter citizens.†If this discussion brings up thoughts like this in you, then perhaps you are confusing “influence†with “conversion.â€

Nothing in this article is meant to imply that all of your good reasons, all of the truth that you adhere to that keeps you on the political right instead of the left, should be removed from the political debate or that those reasons are no longer important or relevant. Far from it. The objective here is to keep people emotionally connected to your points long enough for them to actually investigate.

As soon as that happens, the right wins. Once people research the issues, they will learn that gun-control is just a manipulation being pushed on them by elitists who only want to subjugate them and deny them freedom. Once people realize that “freedom is the greatest safety†and those who would enlarge government under the guise of “helping†are actually hurting the common man, then they will convert themselves. Those on the right far too often try to convince people through logic and reasoning without realizing that only emotion will push people to study the issues long enough to be touched by greater truths.

8) You must stand for something...not just be against change.

“Conservatives†vs. “Progressives.†“Conservatives†vs. “Liberals.†Even these simple labels are an advantage to those on the left. How do these words translate to the public? Those on the left are trying to “progress†toward a better future. They want to move toward liberty. Those on the right want to “conserve†the past. And guess what? A lot of bad things happened in the past that people don’t want to repeat. Do “conservatives†want these bad things to happen again? Of course not. But you’d never know it based on the label they have chosen for themselves. The smartest thing for conservatives to do would be to enact a name change: “Constitutionalistâ€, “Supporter of Liberty†or any number of alternative labels that wouldn’t give the left the semantic advantage.

In politics, a defensive position is a losing position.

Do you think there is no chance of passing a pro-gun or a tax-reduction bill? Should you just react and only fight against the bills the left is pushing? No! Only by pushing for something can you later compromise somewhat and still win. If you are forced to compromise without pushing for a bill of your own, then end up just losing ground to the enemy. Even if you don’t think a bill will pass, push the bill anyway. At a minimum, activism causes the left to have to spend time and money fighting your bills, leaving them less time and resources to pursue their own agendas. Also, pushing bills (even if doomed) allows freedom-loving Americans to identify bad politicians and hold them accountable for their voting records.

Every person on the right needs to ask: “What changes do I want for this country in the future?†As long as people on the right think, “I don’t want things to change. The future scares me because things are always getting worse,†then the right will never be able to relay a hopeful political message that is enlightening enough to get the populace to side with them. We all know what bills and systems of thought we are against: those bills and systems that attempt to discount and limit the God-given freedoms protected by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

But what bills and ideals are you for? “Those that support the Constitution and Bill of Rights.†Sorry, that isn’t good enough. The key word is "change". It is the one great constant in the universe. A better question and mindset would be: “What changes do I want to make to more fully take advantage of the ideals voiced in the Constitution and Bill of Rights?†Without such a “progressive†outlook, the right will continue to lose political ground.

Be Pro-active

Offense is the key to victory. Be pro-active in the language you use; control the debate; don’t spend your time in defensive posturing, fighting the labels coined by the other side. Instead, push labels that give you the argumentative advantage. And learn from the success of the left: adopt the left’s tendency to seek common ground and join groups that can collectively get through to the public. And as a supporter of liberty, continue to foster your own individuality so that, after citizens are attracted emotionally, you can aid in educating them to the better, more moral ways of thinking that real Americans support.

Copy this article (non-profit circulation is approved if copied in its entirety). Send it to your friends. The more people who understand and share these ideas, the stronger the armies of liberty will be.

Semper Vigilante
 
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Great Googly Moogly!!

Teeth!

Weapons!

AMMUNITION!!


Library link! NOW!

This is the hands-down BEST treatise on defusing the rhetoric of our opponents that I have seen since Raging Against Self Defense. This got written a year and a half ago? Did JPFO put it on permanent float at their site? WHY HAVEN'T I SEEN THIS BEFORE?

This is solidly defined, clearly-exampled mechanisms of succesful propaganda technique. These are the best tools we could ask for to fight for our rights and fend off the assaults of the gun-grabbers.

Moderators! I would STRONGLY suggest this get Floated. This is nothing short of a Great Big Club to use on ANY given argument about gun control, be it fence-sitters or hard-core Brady-ists. If the folks who've been getting clobbered in media-sponsored gun debates had had this briefing in mind ahead of time, the Surrenderists would have gotten nowhere!

At last a clear, straightforward analysis of media-soundbite-manipulation methodology, complete with details of turning it to OUR use. We have long known that Leftists do not respond to logic and reasoning, but all that has done is get us to conclude that they're a bunch of idiots, which is fundamentally incorrect. But in the face of unreason, we mostly can only shrug our shoulders at a mindset that insists on living in irrationality.

No longer!

With a firm grounding in this methodology, we can recapture the debate and go on the offensive. We already KNOW our arguments and reasoning cannot be withstood on an intellectual, reality-based level. With this kind of packaging, we can deliver FACTS with the same punch and impact that the Left has been using to smash past the walls of common sense ordinary folks put around their ignorance. You don't need a recipe and a culinary degree when you've got the sauce in hand.

Allowed the same strength of delivery, the facts will defeat the lies. Our problem has ALWAYS been with how to counter touchy-feely nonsensical soundbites. Now we can simply snatch them up, and use them as building blocks to reinforce those stockades of common sense we all have.

This is mandatory reading. Anyone with an interest in having some grip on the slippery political slope we're on these days needs to know this. It has VERY broad applications, including op-ed letters, radio phone-ins, presentations at clubs, ordinary conversations with friends and family, anything.

These are best-quality Mind-Changing Tools. The Left has had a monopoly on this stuff for far too long, as logical, reasoning minds simply don't bother to operate on this level, for reality, engineering and physics do not care what you WISH would happen, and therefore we do not waste thought and energy learning to manipulate this type of thinking. We'd rather think it through once, carefully, rather than be wrong. None of us want to having to say "Never enough time to do it right, but always enough time to do it over", as that fails to pay.

It's not "Your wish is my command."

Now it's "Your wish is MY leverage into your opinion."

Take this to heart, folks, and they are meat for our roasting. It's hard to aspire to credibility when reduced to shrilling out insults within the first sentence or two.

While spiking the ball-[Touchdown dance]Yesss![/Touchdown dance]

:D :neener: :D
 
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Excellent post bfieldburt - hadn't seen it either but....as soon as I started reading it I thought of "Give It to Them Straight"
Here it is....
"Give It to Them Straight"
by John Ross Author,
Unintended Consequences

The biggest mistake we make is failing to take the moral high ground on our issue, and letting our enemies define the terms.

THEY SAY: "We'd be better off if no one had guns."

WE SAY: "You can never succeed at that, criminals will always get guns." (FLAW: The implication here is that if you COULD succeed, it would be a reasonable plan.)

WE SHOULD SAY: "So, you want to institute a system where the weak and elderly are at the mercy of the strong, the lone are at the mercy of the gang. You want to give violent criminals a government guarantee that citizens are disarmed. Sorry, that's unacceptable. Better that we should require every citizen to carry a gun."

THEY SAY: "Those assault rifles have no sporting purpose. You don't need a 30-round magazine fro hunting deer -- they're only for killing people."

WE SAY: "I compete in DCM High Power with my AR-15. You need a large-capacity magazine for their course of fire. My SKS is a fine deer rifle, and I've never done anything to give my government reason not to trust me, blah, blah, blah." (FLAW: You have implicitly conceded that it is OK to ban any gun with no sporting use. And eventually they can replace your sporting arms with arcade-game substitutes.)

WE SHOULD SAY: "Your claim that 'they're only for killing people' is imprecise. A gas chamber or electric chair is designed for killing people, and these devices obviously serve different functions than guns. To be precise, a high capacity military-type rifle or handgun is designed for CONFLICT. When I need to protect myself and my freedom, I want the most reliable, most durable, highest capacity weapon possible. The only thing hunting and target shooting have to do with freedom is that they're good practice."

THEY SAY: "If we pass this CCW law, it will be like the Wild West, with shoot-outs all the time for fender-benders, in bars, etc. We need to keep guns off the streets. If doing so saves just one life, it will be worth it."

WE SAY: "Studies have shown blah blah blah." (flaw: You have implied that if studies showed CCW laws equaled more heat-of-passion shooting, CCW should be illegal.

WE SHOULD SAY: "Although no state has experienced what you are describing, that's not important. What is important is our freedom. If saving lives is more important that anything else, why don't we throw out the Fifth amendment? We have the technology to administer an annual truth serum session to the entire population. We'd catch the criminals and mistaken arrest would be a thing of the past. How does that sound?"

THEY SAY: "I don't see what the big deal is about a five day waiting period."

WE SAY: "It doesn't do any good, criminals don't wait five days, it's a waste of resources blah blah blah." (FLAW: You have implied that if waiting periods DID reduce crime, they would be a good idea.)

WHAT WE SHOULD SAY: "How about a 24-hour cooling-off period with a government review board before the news is reported? Wouldn't that prevent lives from being ruined, e.g. Richard Jewell? And the fact that this law applies to people who ALREADY own a handgun tells me that it's not about crime prevention, it's about harassment. Personally, I want to live in a free society, not a 'safe' one with the government as chief nanny."

THEY SAY: "In 1776, citizens had muskets. No one ever envisioned these deadly AK-47s. I suppose you think we should all have atomic bombs."

WE SAY: "Uh, well, uh . . ."

WE SHOULD SAY: "Actually, the Founders discussed this very issue - it's in the Federalist Papers. They wanted the citizens to have the same guns as were the issue weapons of soldiers in a modern infantry. Soldiers in 1776 were each issued muskets, but not the large field pieces with exploding shells. In 1996, soldiers are issued M16s, M249s, etc. but not howitzers and atomic bombs. Furthermore, according to your logic, the laws governing freedom of the press are only valid for newspapers whose presses are hand-operated and use fixed type. After all, no one in 1776 foresaw offset printing or electricity, let alone TV and satellite transmission."

THEY SAY: "We require licenses on cars, but the powerful NRA screams bloody murder if anyone ever suggests licensing these weapons of mass destruction."

WE SAY: Nothing, usually, and just sit there looking dumb.

WE SHOULD SAY: "You know, driving is a luxury, where firearms ownership is a right secured by the Constitution. But let's put that aside for a moment. It's interesting you compared guns and vehicles. Here in the U.S. you can AT ANY AGE go into any state and buy as many motorcycles, cars, or trucks of any size as you want, and you don't need to do anything if you don't use them on public property. If you DO want to use them on public property, you can get a license at age 16. This license is good in all 50 states. NO waiting periods, no background checks, nothing. If we treated guns like cars, a fourteen-year-old could go into any state and legally buy handguns, machine guns, cannons, whatever, cash and carry, and shoot them all with complete legality on private property. And at age 16 he could get a state license good anywhere in the country to shoot these guns on public property."

Final comment, useful with most all arguments:

YOU SAY: "You know, I'm amazed at how little you care about your grandchildren. I would have thought they meant more to you than anything."

THEY SAY: "Huh?"

YOU SAY: "Well, passing this proposal won't have a big immediate effect. I mean, in the next couple of years, neither Bill Clinton nor Newt Gingrich is going to open up internment camps like Roosevelt did fifty-odd years ago. But think of your worst nightmare of a political leader. Isn't it POSSIBLE that a person like that MIGHT be in control here some time in the next 30, 40, or 50 years, with 51% of the Congress and 51% of the Senate behind him? If that does happen, do you REALLY what your grandchildren to have been stripped of their final guarantee of freedom? And do you really want them to have been stripped of it BY YOU?"
 
General, thanks for mentioning John Ross again. As you probably noticed, there is a listed link to that John Ross article in my orignial article. Thanks for actually posting it.

Hand Rifle Guy: you probably didn't see it because the Bill of Rights Sentinel is only sent out to a limited number of JPFO members via a paid subscription. And, unfortunately, they don't post many of the articles on their website. Yes, "Raging Against Self-Defense" is a great article. Sarah Thompson, the author, is a friend of mine, a fellow Utah radical. Her and I have spent a lot a time at the Utah State Capital raging against the anti-gun/socialist crowd.

As the article mentions, what we need is a unified, organized approach. How do you think the antis got the "assault weapons" ban passed in the first place? A bunch of them got together and planned out their semantic, manipulative attack. Another good example: the ban, now law, on the "partical birth abortion". The "pro-life" people knew exactly what they were doing when they decided they wanted to fight for that one.

Again, we need to be unified in our approach. The problem right now, is that we have a bunch of good organizations that always use the "talking head" approach. We see people from the NRA and GOA on t.v. quiet often, but they explain...and explain...and explain stuff. They need to get a few advertising people in there. Short and snappy and unified. That's the key. What will happen then? We'll start to kick their butts, the other side will mobilize to counter our labels, and before they can, we'll be pushing a new label--in a unified way--that will kick their butts all over again.

At that point, it's just good hunting on leftist distortions and b.s.

NOTE: I'm not worried in the least about leftist/anti-gun groups seeing this article. Why? They already know all this stuff and are already using it on us. This isn't news to them. We simply need to turn the tables on them and take charge of the political debate. They've had an unfair advantage for far too long.
 
I'm still a neophyte to much of this and I'm trying to absorb as much as possible from the forum, so I dont' have anything to add at the moment other than THANK YOU bfieldburt and general.

These discussion points are similar to some of our family discussions related to the current Senate hearings on S.1805. I like the style of not preaching or overloading with facts. Presenting an argument in terms that the other party can relate is a much savvier way to "help" people see the light.

You can be sure that these will be shared with those who are not on forums like THR.
 
How do you respond to those who will say to your face, "I don't think that either of us should have that much freedom" or "We don't need that much freedom" or " that kind of freedom is dangerous to our safety"?

Please don't quote me Ben Franklin, "They who would give up . . . deserve neither." These people don't care. They'll take the immediate FEELING of security over actual eternal freedom any day. They see themselves as some kind of "benevolent" authoritarians. :banghead: The main piece above, while an excellent explanation of why some of my wife's friends aggravate me so much, assumes that the leftist values freedom. My experience is that they do not. :banghead:
 
While bfieldburt’s article provides some great tactics for controlling the debate, several of his underlying assertions about the gun-control problem are simply wrong.

First, the political “right†falls back on emotionalism just as often as the “left.†The left is also just as capable of using logical, well-considered arguments as the right. For example, the right will often make emotional appeals on “morality†issues, with no basis in fact or logic.

In short, the political right has no intellectual monopoly. Furthermore, to actually win the debate, emotion and logic must work in concert. This is where the left often succeeds, even when its logic is flawed.

Second, the actual counterpoint to the left’s inclusionary gestalt is not the right’s imagined “gestalt of underlying reason.†In fact, the “gestalt†of the political right is exclusion—exclusion of ethnic minorities, exclusion of women, exclusion of homosexuals, exclusion of non-Christians, and exclusion of others it dislikes or fears. The right must find common ground with such groups and must also stop pursuing anti-immigration, anti-abortion, anti-homosexual, pro-Christian, and other exclusionary or anti-freedom policies. If not, the right will continue to push these groups into alliance with the political left.

Third, while there may be even 90 million gun owners in the U.S., American gun owners are not a monolithic political entity. Most, perhaps, are Republicans. Many are Democrats. Some are the socialists, ethnic minorities, homosexuals, and other “undesirables†that the political right has historically excluded and often campaigned against. And a very few are actually tolerant, freedom-loving people.

Most importantly, gun owners, like the cross section of American society that they represent, are not pro-freedom in any large part. Many, if not most, support “reasonable†gun-control laws, and the vast majority of American gun owners want or support a great many limits on freedom. Only a few are true libertarians.

If gun owners can’t even agree on the folly of gun-control laws, how can we, as a group, ever expect to advance and protect the right to arms, let alone the larger cause of freedom?

We also have to get past the false dichotomy of “left†and “rigt,†but that’s another post.

~G. Fink
 
http://www.seark.net/~jlove/pc.htm

A sampling of 'politically correct' gun terms:

To preserve, protect and defend your rights in this critical debate, you
need effective word choices.





They want you to say (and you lose if you say):
PRO GUN

It's better to say (and they lose if you say):
PRO RIGHTS

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They want you to say (and you lose if you say):
GUN CONTROL

It's better to say (and they lose if you say):
CRIME CONTROL

====================================

They want you to say (and you lose if you say):
ANTI-GUN MOVEMENT

It's better to say (and they lose if you say):
ANTI-SELF-DEFENSE MOVEMENT

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They want you to say (and you lose if you say):
SEMIAUTOMATIC HANDGUN

It's better to say (and they lose if you say):
SIDEARM

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Gordon, you make some good points. Let me address a few of them.

1) I use the term "left" and "right" in the article (and below) only as a type of shorthand because they are easily understood terms that work to get the points across. Yes, these are phony, false labels that can often hurt as much as they help.

2) Yes, those on the right often become overly emotional and illogical also. But, in my heart of hearts (joke), I believe that the left has this more as a foundational tendency than the right. Of course, if you emphathize more with the left politically, then you WILL disagree with this, because IT DOESN'T FEEL GOOD to consider this point...and it is therefore, via a leftist's very definitions, wrong or bad.

3) A comment on your "morality" comment: if something actually is "moral" is will also be logical. Logic and morality are brothers not enemies. Now that doesn't mean that everyone who is pushing for a moral idea HAS thought it out. And it doesn't mean, either, that every thought out, well-argued position is thereby automatically moral. Many people on the left are actually supporting moral, logical positions although they can't articulate the idea or support it very well argumentatively (because they are operating on emotion), and this is true of the right also.

4) You also make a good point about the "right" and gunowners not being a unified group. EXACTLY. And this is due to a built in dynamic that involves how the group thinks...individualism vs. group think as described in the article. Also, and this is what people often don't realize, this is also due to the way that political adversaries have been able to play the divide-and-conquer game and prevent the unification of us gun owners that they are fighting against.

5) Your comment about the right's gestalt being a gestalt of "exclusion": this again illustrates point number four. No one on the right/freedom side sees him or herself as pushing "exclusion". But, the fact that people--including you--think this, shows that the other side has been great at framing the right's positions that way. It isn't true, unless you adhere to a leftist's world view and a leftist's ideologies, in which case, of course, automatically, you won't agree with hardly anything in the article anyway.

Again, some good points. Thanks for reading the article.
 
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bfieldburt and Henry Bowman,
Good info in the starting post and the 'sentorian' link. Thanks. Will require further re-reads.
 
Henry, thanks for the link. Some GREAT points. I liked this quote which is in line with the ideas in my article:

"...there was no point in seeking to convert the intellectuals. For intellectuals would never be converted and would anyway always yield to the stronger, 'and this will always be the man in the street.' Arguments must therefore be crude, clear and forcible, and appeal to emotions and instincts, not the intellect. Truth was unimportant and entirely subordinate to tactics and psychology... Hatred and contempt must be directed at particular individuals." -H. Trevor-Roper (ed), The Goebbels Diaries, p. XX, cited in Regan, Geoffrey. 1987. Great Military Disasters. New York: M. Evans and Company.

Also, very valuable, was the "firer" vs. "non-firer" idea. Most people WILL NOT join our side if they were already against it. But, with enough discounting of their leaders, they will become non-combatants and that's good enough to win.

This goes back to a point I've made before: you never need the Antis to win. It is the moderate, swing voters that you need to capture. As a breakdown, about 1/3rd of legislators are PRO-GUN, about 1/3rd and ANTI-GUN and nothing you say or do with change their opinions. So the game is played in trying to capture the remaining 1/3rd. This is also true of citizens as well as the actual legislators.

Jury nulification: good idea, but not practicle in my view, because few people are strongly principled enough or understand and support the Constitution enough to resist direct instructions from an anti judge.

"The NRA had missed many opportunities to discount the other side": I couldn't agree more. Which is why no one who cares about our freedoms should be relying on a single organization to do all the work. Far too many people simply abnegate their personal responsibilities because they joined some organization.

Henry, again, good read. Thanks for the link.
 
I use the term “left†and “right†… only as a type of shorthand.… Yes, these are phony, false labels that can often hurt as much as they help.

We agree. However, we need to get away from this “shorthand†or at least recognize that there are really multiple political axes (capitalism–communalism and liberty–tyranny). Compressing them into just “left†and “right†muddles the issue.


Yes, those on the right often become overly emotional and illogical also. … I believe that the left has this more as a foundational tendency than the right.…

I think you’re correct that the left emphasizes emotionalism more than the right does, but even though the right may not always start there, it often ends there. Of course, it’s a hallmark of emotionalism that the person who holds an emotional belief thinks that belief is also rational and logical. People on the right do this frequently, often while decrying the emotionalism of the left at the same time.


A comment on your “morality†comment: if something actually is “moral†is will also be logical. Logic and morality are brothers not enemies.… Many people on the left are actually supporting moral, logical positions although they can’t articulate the idea or support it very well argumentatively (because they are operating on emotion), and this is true of the right also.

I think we disagree only slightly. In fact, morality and logic do not always go hand in hand. The right to keep and bear arms is a perfect example. If banning guns actually reduced crime, then logically it should be done, but morally it would be wrong.


You also make a good point about … gunowners not being a unified group. EXACTLY. … [T]his is also due to the way that political adversaries have been able to play the divide-and-conquer game and prevent the unification of us gun owners that they are fighting against.

My point is that we gun owners are dividing ourselves and making the conquest easier. If we don’t set aside our differences, we will continue to lose. In short, we have to accept and support all gun owners, including the pagan socialist marijuana-smoking Hispanic lesbians, even if we find their beliefs and lifestyles repugnant.


No one on the right/freedom side sees him or herself as pushing “exclusion.†But, the fact that people … think this, shows that the other side has been great at framing the right’s positions that way. It isn’t true.…

It is true, and I submit the High Road as evidence—not exactly a den of leftism. The posters who identify themselves with the political right are usually the same ones who want censorship of “indecent†materials, support the war on drugs, believe random profiling (i.e., harassment) is good police work, want to control what a woman does with her womb, approve of imperial warfare, complain when Christianity isn’t given preferential treatment by the government, wish for the humiliation and torture of our enemies, want to “close†the borders of a “free†country, oppose homosexual marriage, and happily deny the right to keep and bear arms to “felons†who’ve served out their sentences.

It’s either freedom for all or freedom for none. I’m afraid we can’t even agree to disagree on these other issues anymore. The right spews so much invective (or the left magically makes it appear as such) that it drives potential allies to the left. The gun-owning right offers nothing (beyond the RKBA) to these groups, while the gun-banning left offers at least some support for their key issues.

This is the kind of pragmatism you Republicans are always accusing us Libertarians of lacking.

~G. Fink
 
CeasarI, "Winning the Word War" has been a recent favorites of mine. It does a good job of getting the point across quickly. I recommend it to everyone here.

All of this stuff goes way, way back--much further back than more recent articles like mine and Mr. Haupt's. How far back?

Actually, as far as modern politics, clear back to Hegel and his infamous dialectic.

But, for some real insight into the screwover, look into Antonio Gramsci and "Revolutionary Parlimentarianism". Gramsci was the head of the Italian Communist Party before Mussolini threw him in jail. He then spent years and years there writing about how to screw over the West and turn it into a leftist, Godless, socialistic hell. Lots of what is happening to us right now is thanks to his ideas and the prison guard who smuggled his writings out for him.

Another fun look into the mind of the enemy, try Herbert Marcuse. Any leftist militant feminist major can tell you all about him. He was all about how to control political dialogue. He updated lots of Gramsci's stuff. He pushed the idea that the political dialogue could never be fair, to his side, of course, because his enemies (us) controlled the dialogue so much, that things could only be made right by denying us the right to speak at all so as to "reachieve the lost balance". Do a web search under "The Frankfurt School" and see how he and his little buddies organized and planned for your present misery.

Our side needs to read read read and...act..act...act.

We are way behind on this stuff and because of that, we've been getting out asses kicked.

A real basic read that illustrates all this perfectly: go back and reread (or read for the first time) "1984". Remember the "Newspeak Dictionary"? That's all this is, coming at you again, aimed at our eventual slavery.

BFIELDBURT
 
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