The end of Mil-surp?

[Konstantin835]

Romeo 33, your killing me with talk of G-43s and FN-49s by the barrel full. Those are 2 of my dream guns, along with an SVT-40. Also its such a shame that so many military guns are chopped up now. Its ridiculous that so much money is spent on weapons for the military and no attempt is make to recoup the money by modifying to semi auto and selling the surplus into the civilian market.

 

[1stmarine]

The federal government needs to worry more about other more important things and stop messing around with all the constitutional rights. We have given them too much control already.
Also everyone should concentrate more in education, not just firearms but 1st and other rights and obligations and how to be a better citizen.
The firearms training and leagues (just like baseball) should be available in the school programs since early age.

 

[kozak6]

Russia probably has mountains and mountains of cool stuff, but we will never see any of it due to Clinton's "Voluntary Restraint Agreement".

They are even resorting to converting TT33's to air pistols just so they can get rid of them. It's so sad .

 

[Cryogaijin]

If there is one thing that the current state of American politics should tell us,

We need to send real conservatives to Congress

isn't the answer. The answer is to send pro-gun people to congress, regardless of "liberal" or "conservative" leanings, and regardless of power.

There is a weak correlation between Lib/conservative and gun ownership, but it is NOT causative. Trying to predict behavior based on a weak correlation is pointless. Predict behavior based on previous established behavior. Leave the political labels out of it.

 

[LHRGunslinger]

I read about half this thread & then I had to stop. It's making me too sad.

 

[1stmarine]

Constitutional rights must be kept aside from politics.
Any representative, any party that proposes a law that is in a direct collision course with any constitution amendments must be trashed immediately. That is the message that must be sent clear and loud to any politician and law maker of any party. Also to any military and law enforcement that might be invited to participate in any seizures, arrests or activities of any kind without proof and/or the proper warrants they need to understand they have the right to say "NO". I will not obey that order. If they do they might be found liable later on even if they were following an order.
Not long ago in American history a Sheriff in some areas could order the deputies to go and beat up a congregation of folks due to their skin color.
Even recently we had Americans locked into a compound against their will. Many citizens do not even realize how serious this is...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaINT2mj27Q

Also citizens must do their part and show a little post disaster etiquette and help each other but we are not going to avoid the situation that among all the population in such emergency we are also have criminals.

I am amazed the civil approach and great organization skills Japan showed after such devastation recently. There is a lot to be learn as citizens about how to proceed after a cataclysm like that.

I see all the time folks bitchin' about the 2nd amendment and some are actually doing something but what worries me the most is not the 2nd or any other but the whole basic rights and where politicians are taking this country and the same other democratic countries in Europe.

As citizens we have relaxed and gave the politicians and walstreet CEO's too much importance and power and now we are paying the price.

Everyone should ask him or herself, what have I done specifically besides protesting in an online forum? Even myself I wasn't happy about my previous attitude so I created this post so people can contribute with ideas...
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=559899

Socrates, the father of democracy already warned how Democracy can be the source for Tirany if left unchecked.

Like the singer sting (the police) says in one of his songs... "History, will teach us nothing".

 

[MAKster]

Another reason the volume of future surplus rifles will dwindle is because militaries are not stockpiling weapons like they did after WWII. No country is storing 10s of millions of rifles in depots like Russia and the other Soviet countries did during the Cold War so there won't be lots of old rifle to sell off in the future. Militaries are using what they have until they are totally unrefurbishable and only then buying new rifles.

 

[hso]

When you think of the years of imported WWI and WWII bolt and semi rifles it is only reasonable that you'd eventually exhaust the supply of readily available and reasonable quality firearms for import.

 

[Mike OTDP]

I've heard RUMINT that a fair number of the pistols the Russians captured were exported into Eastern Europe...and are becoming ready for importation. Apparently, they need to be out of Russia for five years to be importable.

 

[Kendal Black]

If there is one thing that the current state of American politics should tell us, isn't the answer. The answer is to send pro-gun people to congress, regardless of "liberal" or "conservative" leanings, and regardless of power.

There is a weak correlation between Lib/conservative and gun ownership, but it is NOT causative. Trying to predict behavior based on a weak correlation is pointless. Predict behavior based on previous established behavior. Leave the political labels out of it.

We ought not be so open-minded our brains fall out. One of the standard voter appeals of the left is to the hoplophobes, which is history not opinion: the assautly-looking weapons ban was the most recent instance. The emotional appeal is that your neighbors should not have those nasty, scary guns. "Your neighbors should not..." is the keystone of too much lawgiving, but on this issue we can indeed identify the usual suspects.

 

[BADUNAME13]

The 10 year period ending about 5 years ago was the 'Golden age'

$35 K31's
$37.50 M44's
$60 91/30's
$69 SKS's
$99 CZ 52's
$135 delivered for a crate of Hurtinburg 308
$75 for a case of 7.62x39
FAL parts kits for $140 and less
$2.50 FAL mags.
Cheap M14 parts kits...

Cheap Mausers.....

 

[RyanAnchors]

Sending pro-gun people to Congress is the key because it also tells you something else about those people.
By and large they respect the Constitution and individual rights outside of the Second Amendment.

So even though many gun owners seem like "single-issue voters", it really goes much deeper than that.

Liberal/Conservative means jack squat. You have to look at what a person does and not just what they say they'll do or just what you expect them to do.

Look at people like Harry Reid, for example. He would confuse a lot of people with strong party ties.

 

[american lockpicker]

I was thinking about this the other day, also I miss $125 K31s.

 

[InkEd]

US Military Surplus:

Our taxes paid for them in the first place! The government should at least allow us to buy them (AGAIN!) after the military has beaten the heck out of them for years. Change the laws and re-open the machine gun registry, even if just to allow those surplus guns. Make alot of money by selling them through the CMP or something. Ridiculous if you ask me!

I'm not an AR-guy so I really don't care about them BUT nicely priced optics, night vision and other equipment would be nice. (A deeply discounted SAW would be a nice addition
to the collection too.)

 

[paintballdude902]

theres supposed to be alot of good (decent) milsurps sitting in cuba, korea, and of course RUSSIA!!!

i honestly dont think russia will ever run out of weapons stored since WWII

 

[kozak6]

Speaking of Korea, S. Korea tried to sell some M1 Garands and carbines back to us recently, but that fell through.

 

[Cryogaijin]

We ought not be so open-minded our brains fall out. One of the standard voter appeals of the left is to the hoplophobes, which is history not opinion: the assautly-looking weapons ban was the most recent instance. The emotional appeal is that your neighbors should not have those nasty, scary guns. "Your neighbors should not..." is the keystone of too much lawgiving, but on this issue we can indeed identify the usual suspects.

No, but we shouldn't kneejerk ourselves into electing idiots into office either. The classic republican party seems to have gone the same way as the cold war, with it being largely replaced by legislating moralists. With it went the cohesion and direction of the DEMOCRATIC party which is currently flailing about rather ineffectually.

This boils down into a couple simple facts: Vote individuals, not parties. Don't trust to PR firms to inform you on politics. EVERYONE is gaming the system to some degree. Think, watch, make your own decisions, and don't let anyone make them for you.

For example, if I were to run for office, I would likely run as a Democrat (or libertarian, TBH) but I don't think anyone here could fault my opinions and ideas on firearms.

Quite a few hoplophobes could, though!

 

[Kendal Black]

No, but we shouldn't kneejerk ourselves into electing idiots into office either. The classic republican party seems to have gone the same way as the cold war, with it being largely replaced by legislating moralists. With it went the cohesion and direction of the DEMOCRATIC party which is currently flailing about rather ineffectually.

This boils down into a couple simple facts: Vote individuals, not parties. Don't trust to PR firms to inform you on politics. EVERYONE is gaming the system to some degree. Think, watch, make your own decisions, and don't let anyone make them for you.

For example, if I were to run for office, I would likely run as a Democrat (or libertarian, TBH) but I don't think anyone here could fault my opinions and ideas on firearms.

Quite a few hoplophobes could, though!

I think more in terms of voting blocks and keeping them happy--and contributing. If some pol can put together a coalition of people who hate guns, and union people who don't care about the gun thing but want their trade unions to prosper, and people who don't care about guns or unions but are panicked about the environment, and then pick up a few more groups without alienating the ones he has, before you know it he has clout.

Election victories tend to be mosaics not monoliths. Still, I think the ways the parties assemble their coalitions of support are not altogether random. Do you see a common thread among the groups either party tries to engage?

Anyway, to steer back toward the topic: I hope we rejigger the laws so that the milsurp rifle thing does not cut off at some future date, due to the 'once an auto receiver, always an auto receiver' rule. Or heck, let's think big and repeal the NFA '34, or substantially revise it. After all, it was already illegal to machinegun somebody.

 

[Cryogaijin]

I have little issue with the $200 tax stamp on full autos, tbh. I don't mind a mild barrier to entry. OTOH, I am strongly of the opinion that they should reopen registration of FA firearms, and nutpunt any politico, cop, .milcritter, or anyone else that whines about "But a tommygun has no sporting purpose!!!" 2nd amendment wasn't about People for Eating Tasty Animals, that is just a pleasant sideffect.

 

[BADUNAME13]

I have little issue with the $200 tax stamp on full autos, tbh. I don't mind a mild barrier to entry. OTOH, I am strongly of the opinion that they should reopen registration of FA firearms, and nutpunt any politico, cop, .milcritter, or anyone else that whines about "But a tommygun has no sporting purpose!!!" 2nd amendment wasn't about People for Eating Tasty Animals, that is just a pleasant sideffect.

You must remember... when it was enacted... it was a $200 tax on a $2 piece of pipe, or an $8 gun!

-Taxes enacted to limit, rather than revenue generation are SPECIFICALLY prohibited, but TPTB have never cared if THEY break the law...

It wasn't until the 80's that the 'Toll' "Became reasonable" through the 97% inflation since 1913.

 

[Sam1911]

Holy thread-drift, Batman!

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