The home alarm goes off - STUPIDITY in my parents' home!

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The topic of this forum is strategies and mindset for staying safe. I think my family is devoid of both and I fear one day they are going to get themselves killed through stupidity.

I've recently moved back into my parents' home temporarily until I move out of state in about a year. I used to see a pattern when I lived with them years ago whenever the alarm went off, and now it's just as bad if not worse.

My father owns a gun, but it stays in a safe. He has never pulled it out for anything except once to show it to me. He's owned it for 20 years. He's afraid of it from what I can tell.

The house is very big. It's a two story house on the water. So you can't just take a look outside the door to see if the coast is clear, or listen.

When the alarm goes off in the house, if turned off via secret code, the alarm company calls, they ask for an additional secret code and if it's an emergency of false alarm.

Now - here's what I'm here to vent about. For as long as I can remember, the procedure with my family has been, when the alarm goes off, don't check - just turn it off, let the alarm company call, and say it's a false alarm. Nobody attempts to arm themselves, or check, or anything.

Tonight it was even worse. The alarm went off, I was ready with my ccw gun at my side just in case in my old room at the door frame (where I was when the alarm went off). My father turns it off, comes over, criticizes me for having my gun at my side..... then when the alarm company calls, I said, "Nobody knows yet if it's a false alarm." He says, "I don't want the police coming. Tell them it's a false alarm." Then he walks downstairs in his underwear, unarmed in the dark, to see if it's safe - against my recommendations. Comes back up, says, "I don't see anything." and goes back to sleep.

My recommendation was to wait about 30 minutes staying where everybody was, if nobody heard anything, I'd try to sweep the house with everybody upstairs to avoid any possibility of an accident in the dark. In the meantime, I saw nothing wrong with the cops coming (I just wouldn't want them to confuse me for an intruder). When living on my own, this is what I did.

Is my father not thinking, or am I paranoid? We live in an urban area, so this is not a place where the chance of crime is slim. More than one murder has taken place in this neighborhood alone. His method could have easily gotten him shot. What's the point of having an alarm with his reaction, not to mention the point of having a gun? What is he planning to do, go downstairs, see somebody, say, "OH! Sorry Mr. Robber..... give me a minute to go run upstairs to dial in the combination to my safe and get my gun, then load it, and then come downstairs again so we can work this out." ??
 
Why does the alarm go off so much? What, exactly, is triggering the alarm, and where?
 
we're talking nearly 17 years of observations of this pattern. This is not all just recently except for the incident tonight. It doesn't go off really often. I've just noticed over 17 years, the family response was the same. It was one thing I was glad to get away from when I moved out years ago. While I suppose there was a good gap of about 6 years in there that I wasn't actually watching (maybe more), based on tonight, it's safe to say nothing has changed.

Most often the reason for false alarms is a faulty motion detector or glass-break detector that has gone bad and needs to be replaced.
 
1. Fourth false alarm: $50.00.
2. Fifth false alarms: $100.00.
3. Sixth and each additional false alarm: $200.00 each.
4. Failure to register an alarm system: $50.00.
5. Violation of Alarm Company responsibilities: $100.00.
6. Clerk of Courts Surcharge for each fine: $10.00


ha ha ha, how dumb is #4?
 
Move out, it's not worth the money you're saving. That crap will get somebody killed. Having the alarm is for two things; a FALSE sense of security, and so the cops know to come collect some bodies.
 
kungfuhippie - to be honest - I am out of here first chance I get. Between the hell I've put up with for being a gun owner (and especially the recent incident for buying an AR-15 compliments of my lovely brother), and this kind of stuff, I'm convinced my family just doesn't have the self-preservation drive that they need.

I love my family, but I can't be around for them to get me shot.
 
That's the problem with false alarms--it's the cry "wolf" effect. You begin not to take them seriously. Motion sensors often seem to be prone to false alarms.

Might as well not have an alarm if you're going to disregard it. And, what's the point of going forth unarmed to confront an intruder? What's the sense in that?

Convince them to have the system updated, checked, or otherwise made more reliable--and to plan a better response. Or, chuck it.

K
 
Kentak - I understand. My policy has always been to take it seriously no matter what, because there could be 1,000,000 alarms, 999,999 of which are false alarms, but it only takes 1 real one to be killed. Granted that scenario would be annoying as could be.

In any case, the only thing I can see as being a reasonable solution for my folks is to set up an infrared illuminated digital camera closed circuit television system. Have it set up so every room has generous coverage but the whole thing can be displayed on one channel with a grid screen. So when the alarm goes off, they can check on the tv.

At least then my father isn't walking downstairs in his underwear with a bad leg, bad knee, bad ankle (can't run, can barely walk, and certainly can't fight) unarmed into what could be a direct confrontation with a criminal.

I have come to accept that they will not take up any offers for me to teach them anything. They won't take up my offers to pay for training, and they seem to value being tired and getting additional sleep over "I want to live another day".
 
As long as your in you parents house you are their child and you don't know squat. We lived next door to my in-laws and we were always the childern. Neighborhood was predominantly all white until the busing thing happened and there was white flight. Soon the neighborhood became a third world country, and nothing changed at my in-laws until we were broken into the day after Christmas. Then I had to convince them to get burgler bars and a dog. Then I felt like I was living in jail and the Bg's were out running around free.
 
In my experience, you cannot "educate" people who refuse to take responsibility for their welfare. They won't get it until they are "mugged by reality".

My wife was like that, but after 5 years of discussion, she's starting to see the merits of being prepared. Maybe in another 5 she'll be well trained, and carrying - yay!
 
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You can't change them. My folks are the same way. They go about it a little better, but my dad still goes off to investigate the noise my mom heard, in his underwear, with two bad knees, and no way of protecting himself. I sleep next to a 9mm, I sleep well.
 
It's their house -pure and simple. While I agree with you regarding the responses to the alarm, one has to respect one's parents especially when living with them. They should get the alarm checked if they have that many false alarms. In most instances a shrieking alarm will get rid of the vast majority of break-ins, they move to easier targets.

If you can afford an AR-15, you can afford rent of some kind somewhere or get a roommate who is ok with guns. Get a 9 month lease and move out. In your own home, you can behave as you desire.

Moving back into your parents home and then expecting them to change for you simply isn't respectful. Let's reverse it for fun. Suppose they carried and you were deathly afraid of guns or you had become opposed, but you needed to move back (either after moving out you became anti or they took up carrying). Would you then expect them to stop carrying to please you? This is more about you then it is about them.
 
Excellen point Sam. As others have also pointed out, get the alarm system checked as to why there are all these false alarms. I have had one false alarm in 10 years, when the wind blew open a door that wasn't completely closed.
 
BullCra* Get a friend and clue him in to come by and sneak entry into the house at a time you are there and know full well he is coming and when so you don't over react and injure someone. Let him scare the hell out of your folks and then you bluff him and run him off. Let the folks experience a bit of an adrenaline rush and worry about seeing the sunrise again. Then move out.
 
Even more realistic; suppose they moved in with you and demanded that you rid your house of guns. No way right?
 
Get a friend and clue him in to come by and sneak entry into the house at a time you are there and know full well he is coming and when so you don't over react and injure someone. Let him scare the hell out of your folks and then you bluff him and run him off. Let the folks experience a bit of an adrenaline rush and worry about seeing the sunrise again

This is quite possibly one of the stupidest, most irresponsible suggestions I've seen on this board. Do you suggest the same trick for guys to impress their dates? I'm having a hard time believing a supposed former LEO would even joke about suggesting that.
 
I don't think that you're paranoid, just better prepared.

You do what you can for your family and friends, but if they don't take this seriously there's really not much that you can do about it. In the end it's really up to them. Hopefully nothing happens and they'll be okay.
 
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Sounds like they should stop arming the alarm. All they do when it goes off is deactivate it and ignore it. They should save themselves the hassle and just never turn it on.
 
If you can afford an AR-15, you can afford rent of some kind somewhere or get a roommate who is ok with guns. Get a 9 month lease and move out. In your own home, you can behave as you desire.

It wasn't the money. The lease at my last place was in year contracts and the owner wouldn't negotiate anything less. I wouldn't be here for another year, so I moved out.

If I can find a place that will let me specify the number of months in the lease, I'll move.

Sounds like they should stop arming the alarm. All they do when it goes off is deactivate it and ignore it. They should save themselves the hassle and just never turn it on.

Sounds like they should stop arming the alarm. All they do when it goes off is deactivate it and ignore it. They should save themselves the hassle and just never turn it on.

BINGO! Not only do they not do anything when it goes off, but most of the time when it does they scramble to turn it off so fast that it's off within a second so it "doesn't wake the neighbors up." (the same reason my parents are afraid to set off 4th of July fireworks). The alarm by itself is scary as hell, but they don't even give it a chance.
 
try again harder

I'm empathetic with you; perhaps try to find the source of the false alarms.
Often movement of curtains by breezes through partially opened windows,
pets moving; cats, that type of thing that may cut down on the false alarms so that when one does occur, your parents will be more concerned.

You might buy them a police ban scanner. If they hear all the activity going on in the vicinity, especially close by, they may have a realization of how things are.
 
Looks like at least two issues are at play here. I'd like to address the technical one, since it's important to have a security system that you have faith in.

Call the alarm company or monitoring people and find out what zones are causing these false alarms. The monitoring people should be able to tell you something without the service company having to come out (and charge you).

Is there any chance your parents are arming the alarm in "Away" mode while the house is occupied? There are two modes on most alarms -- "Stay" mode usually disregards interior sensors (motion, etc) and allows the alarm to be armed while the house is occupied. "Away" mode is for an empty house and monitors all sensors.

This could be a technical problem, but always start by confirming it's not user error.

Steve
 
Your father seems to be suffering from the "it can't happen to me" syndrome. Folks here are more aware that 'stuff' happens, to random people and at unexpected times.

We live out in the country on an isolated side road and we've had a burglary attempt. I imagine the risk is higher at your folks' house.

Now our alarm system is made up of 3 components, each having 4 paws and a wagging tail. But I'm disciplining myself to listen when they bark, evaluate their tone and urgency and check serious matters out carefully.
 
I agree with Steve,

Have the alarm checked, at the very least find out what is going off. If it's a bad motion then it needs to be replaced or disabled.

Second,

Never hoax a break in. dumb idea. While your dad might be "willy nilly" about his gun, if he was actually see someone he might remember how to use it.

I would sit down and try (even if you think it futile) to explain today's situation, IE home invasions, rapes, robberies, even murders that are happening everywhere. Tell them you want to know that when you leave that they will be able to handle a REAL problem should one arise.

Above all else, be patient with your family. They are after all the only family you have.
 
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