The Inside Jobs

[CB900F]

Fella's;

Another thread has prompted this question. How many of you have suffered a firearms theft from inside the family? Considering the sample size of THR, and our firearms proclivity, it's statistically all but certain that it's not an isolated occurance in our community.

Were your firearms secured? If so, how? True safe, RSC, sheet metal locker, locked closet, what was the method?

The intention of many who do buy some sort of container seems to be to keep the guns away from "little fingers". Those fingers grow up. Most RSC's can be popped by a determined twelve year old. Who, after buying the basic L-F (little fingers) container really considers upgrading? Not many I think. So how "safe", down the road, is the basic container?

I'd ask all responding to limit themselves to in-your-family posts. No hearsay from the barbershop please.

900F

 

[starboard]

The P32 is now a permanent fixture in the wife's purse. And to think that I trusted her all these years!

 

[Ala Dan]

Thefts: Inside The Family

Thank goodness, the answer to your question is NO; I haven't suffered any
theft of firearm related items from my home. With my cousin's son being
notorious for taking things like weed eaters, lawn mowers, tillers, and the
such from others; he knows that I would take drastic measures if I ever
caught him stealing from me. Its just a blessing, that he is locked away
in a correctional institution for the time being~!

 

[Afy]

Nope... since the family is pretty much Wife and me, and my sister who lives in another country... not a chance.

The in-laws pretty much have no interest in guns...

 

[scurtis_34471]

My immediate family is not a concern, as my children are still young and my wife and I are working very hard to raise them right. The only people in my extended family that would give me cause for concern live at least 1300 miles away.

 

[glassman]

Not Theft, Exactly

As younger men, my brother and I went plinking from time to time. We used my Ruger Bearcat as it was the only handgun in the house. We grew up and I went into the navy and my brother joined the national guard and went to college. While I was away from home, my brother moved out of the house into his own place and took the bearcat with him. He still has it locked in his safe in Chicago.

 

[helpless]

nope

 

[mongo]

Yes, unfortunately my black-sheep cousin and his dirtball friends broke into our house when I was a teen and made off with my Dad's .380. He knew where to look. We were never able to prove it, but he has been "dead" to me ever since. I haven't spoken to him in over 25 years. That is the ultimate sin to steal from your kin.

 

[Phaetos]

None here either. It's just me and the missus. Her kids are grown and know that I have guns, but don't dare step inside this house without being invited. They also know not to EVER bring someone into this house that I don't know or haven't met yet. Though, it would be difficult for someone to walk out with my rifles, that would be a little noticeable.

 

[Valkman]

In the 80's I was living with a um, woman who got more and more into drugs. I would find $50 baseball cards missing, stuff like that. I had won a Remington Nylon 66 .22 rifle and had it in a closet and one day went to check on it and it wasn't there. She claimed no knowledge of what happened to it, so I guess it walked away. Later a convicted murderer moved in next to us and found if he went into the attic from his apartment he could drop into any other unit and 2 gun were lost to that. At that time I had no gun security but have had safes since '97. As to the GF, I lost almost everything getting away from her but it was well worth it.

 

[RH822]

Not theft, but miss placed. My brother had a Savage bolt action .22 squirrel rifle that our dad bought for him when he was 12. He joined the Army and left his guns with dad. When he returned from over-seas 3 yrs later the rifle was gone. Dad lived in the country and never locked his doors so we figured it walked off with someone. 10 years later all of us boys were home on leave for hunting season and the subject of the rifle came up during a visit to our uncles house. My uncle asked my brother, Is that it? My brother looked over in the corner and low and behold there was his rifle. My Uncle said he wondered who that belonged to and figured someone would claim it eventually. It had been leaning in the corner of his kitchen for over 10 years. How it got there nobody knows.

RH

 

[rc135]

No theft, but...

Years ago, I loaned my younger brother my Model 870 smoothbore...and never got it back.

Don't know if he lost it and was afraid to say so, or just genuinely forgot about it.


"All important issues are decided by violence. An alternative way of stating this corollary is this: Any issue not worth defending violently is not considered important." -- Iben Browning

"Clinton lied. A man might forget where he parks or where he lives, but he never forgets oral sex, no matter how bad it is." -- Barbara Bush

"Listen. There’s a hell of a good universe next door. Let’s go." -- E.E. Cummings

"Women need a reason to have sex. Men just need a place." -- Billy Crystal

 

[sm]

Combination was NOT changed on a Navy Payroll Safe.
This safe is one the one a lever is used to push laminated door straight in and straight out. It does swing open and shut, still this safe is not the run of the mill safe most folks have seen.

I fired my family, except for one.
All I care to say is, Relative fired another relative, and did not change locks, alarm code, or combination to safe - fast enough.
One of my most prized possessions was in that safe, and sold for dope.

~~
New construction, all the garage door openers had the same code as workman accessed garage to do cabinet, and other work.
Owner had not changed the code as instructed numerous times.
Two RSCs still in garage, as these folks were moving in.
It pretty obvious what these were, being in the back of a truck in broad daylight, and workers doing everything from framing to carpet install.
Two workers backed up a work truck, hit the garage opener, snagged both RSCs and tossed a tarp over them and drove off after dark and the new owners were gone.

~~

Nasty divorce of a Store Owners daughter and SIL.
SIL worked in the business and knew all the Security.
1. Though all keys turned in, all locks, codes, combination changed

2. Body guards for the daughter, it was a Nasty divorce. He was caught in bed with another women.
3. Failed attempt to use former codes to turn off one security measure from outside.
4. I get a call , being on the Alarm list, the Alarm is going off.
Fake call.
I called Alarm Co back, and with code words...I went into a different mode.
One Alarm co employee had been bribed and the code he gave back to me was incorrect.
Short version, SIL plan with some new friends, was to force me at gun point to open store, walk in vault, safes and so on.
I will not reveal my security methods, or back up methods.
Only to say I was not kidnapped, and my "methods" enabled me to find out what the deal was and trace it back to SIL,

~~
Maintenance guy at a Apt complex, had master keys.
He noticed gun books, targets on the wall, and other firearm related items displayed in this apt
He gave a master key to a buddy. Told him where the RSC was and guns removed while occupant was gone.




I keep saying, all the security in the world can be defeated , all it takes is advertising , not keeping mouth shut, and being forced at gunpoint, or family/co-workers being held at gunpoint



Three may keep a secret if two of them are dead. Richard Saunders

 

[Kali Endgame]

Family steal my guns? Jeez, I can't even give them guns. Nobody in my family wants guns. Go figure.

 

[Elza]

No theft of any kind. All but two (home defense weapons) are locked in my safe and I am the only one with the combination. The HD's are in a small safe in the master bedroom.

 

[NCLivingBrit]

Hell, my family is me, the missus and two demented chihuahua's. Being as they can't even carry a single 7.62x39 round they're not too much trouble.

If I could, I'd set the rifles out on the nightstand, loaded and ready to go for the wife, but she prefers I leave them in the closet. I had to learn how to keep an SKS loaded -without- chambering a round to keep her happy

 

[Phaetos]

Not theft, but miss placed. My brother had a Savage bolt action .22 squirrel rifle that our dad bought for him when he was 12. He joined the Army and left his guns with dad. When he returned from over-seas 3 yrs later the rifle was gone. Dad lived in the country and never locked his doors so we figured it walked off with someone. 10 years later all of us boys were home on leave for hunting season and the subject of the rifle came up during a visit to our uncles house. My uncle asked my brother, Is that it? My brother looked over in the corner and low and behold there was his rifle. My Uncle said he wondered who that belonged to and figured someone would claim it eventually. It had been leaning in the corner of his kitchen for over 10 years. How it got there nobody knows.

Maybe guns do actually get up and kill people all by themselves :banghead:

 

[aerod1]

My family? Never.

My brother-in-law (wife's brother) stole their Dad's guns and pawned them for drug money. Until he died, my father-in-law didn't want to admit his son did this. My wife knew her brother stole his guns.

 

[a1abdj]

I opened an older Fort Knox last year that was stolen by my customer's ex wife's new boyfriend.

They tried to force the handle, which broke the safe, but didn't open it. It took the police less than 24 hours to track the safe down and recover it.

Some of the guns were pretty banged up from the trip down the stairs, and in and out of pick up truck. My customer made sure to bolt his new safe.

 

[CB900F]

A1abdj;

What I find interesting about that one is that presumably two people, one a female, moved the Ft. Knox. And down stairs at that! As far as I'm concerned, it's sheer dumb luck that the two of 'em weren't able to pop it given the time they had.

If it's not giving away any critical information, what model Knox was it? Not one of the Yeager's or Titan's I'd think.

900F

 

[a1abdj]

It was one of the smaller, older models. It was made before all of the gun safe companies jumped on the fire lining band wagon, and didn't have any insulation. I think it was a 3/16" body with 3/8" door, and maybe 60 x 20 x 20. I think it weighed around 400 pounds empty, so it wasn't that big of a deal to move.

 

[tinygnat219]

Man,
Talk about Condition White! I had NEVER considered this as something for me to worry about :banghead:

Luckily, I just happen to keep everything in a big bad safe. It makes my life easier.

How does one prevent this from happening? I can understand a smaller family where one's brother or sister is in another state and doesn't visit that often. However, how does one deal with it when one has kin in 3 counties that visit all the time?