The Kingdom: DVD
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Autolycus
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I enjoyed both movies very much. The knife fight in Eastern Promises was very intense.
I like the Kingdom very much.
I like the Kingdom very much.
Zach S
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.223 tends to fragment after hitting something due to the much higher velocity, instead of going through several walls like a pistol round.
I think this actually gets discussed bi-weekly in the rifle forum and in S&T. Do a search for "rifle home defense." Plenty of info, more than I could recall. I stopped reading them after a while.
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Words on the box of Eastern Promises include "from the director of History of Violence" plus "graphic sex". No thanks. The Kingdom was good whilst i watched it, but in retrospect, it was only alright. Characters were mildly likeable, action was good, not a waste of time, but i don't think i'd stay focussed a second time.
bogie
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Guys... .223 VARMINT bullets tend to fragment. But if you have the thing loaded with thicker-jacketed FMJ or steel core, it's gonna keep going, and blow a hole right through the Energizer Bunny in the back yard.
Problem is that someone sees "this .223 varmint bullet blows up on impact" and assumes that means ALL .223 will do that. Not so.
Problem is that someone sees "this .223 varmint bullet blows up on impact" and assumes that means ALL .223 will do that. Not so.
usmarine0352_2005
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Correct.
Military 5.56mm has what's called a "Tungsten Steel Penetrator", which is basically a metal rod that is inside the shell, so when the round hits a target, the outer casing may mushroom, but if their wearing body armor, the penetrator will go thru that and hopefully kill the target.
bogie
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The jacket doesn't so much "mushroom" as "strip off." And for a heavy jacket with a lead core, it pretty much will stay together... Most "body armor" won't stop the average .223 FMJ.
dmftoy1
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+1 for Kingdom
-29 for Eastern Promises. (what a turd of a movie .. .I had high hopes)
Wasn't that a .308 that Jamie Fox was shooting to take out the mercedes in the interstate shootout? I'm not completely sure but it sure seemed heavier to me. (maybe I'll watch it again.
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Have a good one,
Dave
-29 for Eastern Promises. (what a turd of a movie .. .I had high hopes)
Wasn't that a .308 that Jamie Fox was shooting to take out the mercedes in the interstate shootout? I'm not completely sure but it sure seemed heavier to me. (maybe I'll watch it again.
)Have a good one,
Dave
jobu07
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theboxotruth.com not scientific but fgood info nonetheless on bullets and walls.
We saw "The Kingdom" in the theater and thought it was great. We bought it on DVD and are planning to watch it again this AM. I wonder how many people realize that the scene where the Grandfather basically tells the grandson that they will eventually win, is reality?
usmarine0352_2005
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Are you saying that the terrorists will eventually win?
I don't think that the terrorists will eventually "win". Because I don't think there is such a thing as winning this war on terror.
It will be and endless battle that we must always combat. Just like crime. It is never ending. Once the door opened on Sept. 11, that was the beginning. I know there will be more attacks on American soil. Not as complex or dramatic as Sept. 11, but bad nonetheless.
However, I thought it was one of the best ending's ever. Because it shows that we think alike. They are the bad guys to us, and to them, we are the bad guys.
Sad, really. But so true.
strangelittleman
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Fun movie. The knife scene near the end was excellent. More movies should have good knife work in them.
DMK
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Agreed. That's why there are wars. If folks thought that they were wrong, they wouldn't be dying for their cause. The Viet Cong also thought we were the bad guys as did the Imperial Japanese, as did the Filipino Moro's.
War is the ultimate disagreement. Both sides so frustrated with the other that they feel violence is their only remaining option.
iamkris
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All I could think of during The Kingdom, was what a lot of really expensive firearms the Saudi units had. There were HK MP5s, at least one HK91 (the one that Jamie Foxx uses on the highway), several SIG551s, I think a G36 or two and lots of M16s/M4s.
22_Shooter
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I thought that was a very interesting ending too. The kind that makes you think.
usmarine0352_2005
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Yeap.
When I was in Afghanistan they all had HK's and other expensive weaponry.
hexidismal
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That sounds just about right to me. I was barely able to sit though Eastern Promises, it was so awful and boring. And that's coming from me, a Russian and a well trained knife fighter.
The Kingdom on the other hand had some flaws but was still pretty watchable.
Commander Guineapig
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I saw the previews for "The Kingdom"...
I have to admit, I'm a sucker for a good action flick, but I have to ask this...
What about the politics?
My point is that Hollywood is notoriously liberal and anti-gun, "there are no more terrorist then we, the US make", blah blah blah.
That being said, how are the politics of this movie? Is it fairly realistic or are we looking at another Syriana?
I just hate it when a good movie ends up getting all liberal wussed out.
GP
I have to admit, I'm a sucker for a good action flick, but I have to ask this...
What about the politics?
My point is that Hollywood is notoriously liberal and anti-gun, "there are no more terrorist then we, the US make", blah blah blah.
That being said, how are the politics of this movie? Is it fairly realistic or are we looking at another Syriana?
I just hate it when a good movie ends up getting all liberal wussed out.
GP
iamkris
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I didn't feel like the politics were out of line, and I'm usually pretty sensitive about this.
The movie mostly shows that terrorists are well embedded in the Saudi culture, they are protected by the population, the government is fairly inept either through incompetence, pandering, fear or active support of terror (or all of the above) and there are good people whereever you go/look. It also, as pointed out above, it shows the terrorists are just as dedicated as we are...plus, they are in it for the long haul...can't say that about the vast majority of the free world.
I really didn't see any anti-US sentiment in the flick.
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Agree with iamkris. The movie doesnt hit you over the head with a political agenda at all.
bogie
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The Kingdom is a police story.
All these firearms aren't expensive, if you are military... Only if you're an American civilian...
These folks are more dedicated than the Hatfields and McCoys, by a long shot. Their culture is one of patient revenge. VERY patient. Our grandchildren are going to be fighting this war, and not because of the invasions, etc., of the past five-six years - because of stuff that happened centuries ago.
The sooner our sound-bite culture realizes that these folks DO NOT think in sound bites, the better.
All these firearms aren't expensive, if you are military... Only if you're an American civilian...
These folks are more dedicated than the Hatfields and McCoys, by a long shot. Their culture is one of patient revenge. VERY patient. Our grandchildren are going to be fighting this war, and not because of the invasions, etc., of the past five-six years - because of stuff that happened centuries ago.
The sooner our sound-bite culture realizes that these folks DO NOT think in sound bites, the better.
nwilliams
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I liked The Kingdom, didn't really have a problem with any of the shooting scenes, I didn't think they were any better or worse than the shooting scenes in countless other Hollywood movies. The movie itself was well made and the story interesting, I'll be adding it to my dvd collection at some point.
Eastern Promises was good but it wasn't what I expected so I was a little disappointed. There wasn't much action other than the knife fight scene and I could have lived without seeing Aragorn's junk
(Yes I know that's not his name but he'll always be Aragorn to me no matter what movie he stars in)
I also didn't like the ending of Eastern Promises but I won't go into why so as not to give away any spoilers.
Eastern Promises was good but it wasn't what I expected so I was a little disappointed. There wasn't much action other than the knife fight scene and I could have lived without seeing Aragorn's junk
(Yes I know that's not his name but he'll always be Aragorn to me no matter what movie he stars in
)I also didn't like the ending of Eastern Promises but I won't go into why so as not to give away any spoilers.
Commander Guineapig
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thanks for the politics tidbits on that!
I think I'll see it then since they managed to avoid a lib agenda.
Too bad they couldn't do that with Runaway Jury
GP
I think I'll see it then since they managed to avoid a lib agenda.
Too bad they couldn't do that with Runaway Jury
GP
dmftoy1
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I think the political part that was most shocking to me (whether true or not) was the feeling you got that the Saudi Royal family is just barely in control of the country and pretty afraid of the terrorists as well. (either that or supporting them) It makes you wonder if it's that tenuous or ??
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