The LC 9 safeties - a contrarian view

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Mean Bone

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I say contrarian because I've seen so many complaining about the external, magazine and key lock safeties of the LC 9.

My handgun shooting experience started as a LEO in the mid '70's with an S&W Model 66. Had absolutely no interest in semi-autos until I shot a .45 ACP 1911 and became hooked.

"Growing up" with the 1911, the frame mounted external safety was just part of the package. Unlike the S&W autos of the time, dropping the 1911 safety was easily accomplished as a natural part of the draw.

As a result, the almost identical type safety found on the LC 9 is absolutely no problem for me. In fact, I'm a bit leery about guns like the Glock that have not a similar safety.

Now the magazine safety, I understand the concerns. But it is hard to document a case where someone was at a disadvantage because he could not fire his weapon between magazine reloads. Maybe in the military, but civilian and LEO, hard to find.

There are, however, numerous examples recorded by Ayoob where a goblin got a gun away from a good guy, but the GG was able to tap the magazine release slightly dropping the mag and rendering the gun inoperable to a clueless bad guy.

The same has been documented by Ayoob regarding the frame mounted safety.

Those few seconds when a bad guy is pulling the trigger with a big question mark on his face because nothing is happening gives the good guy time to access a back up gun, knife or environmental weapon (rock, chair, bat, etc) or continue the fight hand to hand (or maybe even run!).

Key lock? Doesn't bother me because I don't use it. However, can one not think of a situation where it might be nice to have?

What if you leave the house on vacation and the LC 9 is left at home for another weapon. Lock it and take the key and magazines with you. Not impossible for the crook make it operable again but it's going to be difficult and he may be dumb enough to take it to a gunsmith who's bright enough to recognize the situation and call LE.

I'm sure there are others who can disagree in a well thought out manner but that's my opinion.
 
There are, however, numerous examples recorded by Ayoob where a goblin got a gun away from a good guy, but the GG was able to tap the magazine release slightly dropping the mag and rendering the gun inoperable to a clueless bad guy.

I admit that I haven't really looked into this subject but the only times I've seen it involve Law Enforcement.

Key lock? Doesn't bother me because I don't use it. However, can one not think of a situation where it might be nice to have?

Not really, if a crook steals my gun, he's going to either get it working or sell it. I can't imagine them taking the gun to a gunsmith.
 
Now the magazine safety, I understand the concerns. But it is hard to document a case where someone was at a disadvantage because he could not fire his weapon between magazine reloads. Maybe in the military, but civilian and LEO, hard to find.

That one concerns me more because if the magazine is not seated all the way the weapon will not operate and could potentially break and cause malfucntion even if magazine is in all the way.

Since i carry mine in my pocket i don't see somebody wrestling it from me as a likely event so that reasoning doesnt justify the mag safety for my type of use.

The others i don't care about bc i simply choose not to employ them.

The trigger however sucks and the others safey features lead me to believe they made it that way on purpose.
 
I'm neutral about manual safeties, I don't believe they're a disadvantage at all if you train with them. I use mainly 1911 or 1911 style handguns, so like you said they're "part of the package". I've trained quite a bit with manual safeties and it doesn't bother me to have them on the gun. Doesn't bother me NOT having them either, I carried an XD for a while and didn't feel any less safe handling that gun.

Mag safeties? Also neutral though I would rather not have them on my guns. I only own one gun that had one, my GSG 1911-22, and I removed it because honestly it was a hassle to grab the mag if I wanted to decock the gun when I was done shooting or cleaning. There may be reasons to have mag safeties, I doubt any of them apply to my rimfire plinker that I use to train for guns that don't have mag safeties.

Keylocks? Against them, though I haven't removed it from the only gun I own that has one (my EMP) because I don't feel that it hurts anything merely by being there.
Why am I against them? What's the point? Every gun I've bought came with a cable lock AND if I'm leaving my gun at home it's going in my GUNSAFE! If you steal my "locked" EMP that I left in a drawer or something, you might not be able to shoot someone with it (right away, you might be smart enough to figure out how to unlock it), but you still have my $1200 1911!
 
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Good points. Good discussion.

Regarding taking a stolen gun to a gunsmith. I do recall an article about the Magna-Trigger on a revolver (remember those). Gun was stolen, thief couldn't operate it, took it to a gunsmith to get it fixed, 'smith looked at it, realized if the guy didn't know what was wrong then it obviously wasn't his gun, called LE.

It happens.
 
I too like the safeties on the LC9. I may disable the mag safety because I can imagine a panic situation during which I might bump the mag release and lose a few seconds of precious time... or it might get pressed during a tussle. I bought a M&P45 with precisely those features... they all come with internal drop safeties but I wanted a thumb safety with no mag safety.
 
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