The media and guns (and tragedy)

[Sentryau2]

Ok so there are people still harping about sandy hook and the batman shooting so I just wanted to post this and make it known. I hope some of you will use atleast some of this information. Rifles each year kill less than 500 people, that is rifles of ANY type. Most gun violence is due to gang on gang violence or gang related violence. Thugs do NOT get their guns legally. If guns were banned why would they turn them in, after all they dont follow the law. Why could more guns not be imported from mexico? Mexican cartels have no problem smuggling large amounts of cocaine across the border, or under it. Not only that but it seems these people have no memory of the crazy people who used bombs to kill people, most of the time much more successfully. I will post some examples, forgive me for using wiki but you can google the names/ information and verify that it is right. (I did with some of them just to be sure)


1910, 1 October: Los Angeles Times bombing by a member of the International Association of Bridge and Structural Iron Workers Union killed 21 people and
injured an additional 100.

1955, 1 November: A bomb aboard United Airlines Flight 629 explodes killing all 44 on board, seen as a copycat incident to Canadian Pacific Air Lines Flight 108.

1962, 22 May: Continental Airlines Flight 11 explodes and crashes near Unionville, Missouri, killing all 45 on board (the only initial survivor succumbed to injuries later in hospital) after it was determined to be a suicide committed as insurance fraud.

1920, 16 September: Wall Street bombing killed 38 people and wounded 300 others

There are even more, so my question is, why are they so unrealistic with these laws. Law abiding people dont go around shooting people for their amusement. Even if guns were banned its NOT hard to make a bomb, just look at all the 13 year old kids on youtube playing with high explosives. Do they really think they are going to stop horrible events by banning guns? I have a question tho. They bring up that the gov has tanks and planes and etc and that we would stand no chance, I disagree adamantly, I use syria, afgan, iraq and vietnam as an example but is there anyother examples i could use (that dosent leave a bad taste in my mouth? I have nothing but the utmost respect for veterans and our fallen soldiers along with thoes currently in uniform)

 

[armoredman]

The key to understanding leftists gun control logic is it has nothing to do with guns, and everything to do with control. They ban things, and then admit on camera they have no idea what it WAS they banned, (the shoulder thing that goes up clip),and then dive in again to ban more items.
Their driving principle is very simple - nobody but the police and military should have working firearms, and some long for Britain's unarmed police force, the ones who stood around waiting for armed police to show up when that soldier was brutally murdered.
That's all it is about. There are some deluded fools in the middle, but the ones at the top aren't stupid - they know that what they present has nothing to do with crime, violence, criminal activity or anything else related. It is all aimed at disarming American citizens.

 

[Speedo66]

This excerpt is from an article that appeared in the NY Times, January 8th, this year.

In it, the Times admitted that only 5 out of 769 murders committed in NY the year before, according to the the NYS agency that keeps track of these things, were committed with a rifle of any kind.

"Gun rights advocates argue that Mr. Cuomo is wrong to focus his attention on assault weapons; of 769 homicides in New York State in 2011, only five were committed with rifles of any kind, according to the State Division of Criminal Justice Services."

The full article is here: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/09/n...se-more-expansive-ban-on-assault-weapons.html

No doubt the governor knew this, yet Cuomo still insisted on a total "assault rifle" ban. Owners who legally owned them have until the end of the year to sell them out of state, or hand them over.

The truth is never a bar when politicians want something, doesn't matter which side of the aisle they're sitting on.

 

[alsaqr]

The worst US school massacre took place in 1927 in Bath, Michigan. A disgruntled school board member planted two bombs in the school. Only one bomb exploded. It killed 45 people, mostly young kids.

With all due respect and sympathy to the victims and their families of the Columbine, McDonald's, and Virginia Tech shootings, the Oklahoma bombing, and other mass murders, they were not the worst mass murders of children in the US.

On May 18, 1927, 45 people, mostly children, were killed and 58 were injured when disgruntled and demented school board member Andrew Kehoe dynamited the new school building in Bath, Michigan out of revenge over his foreclosed farm due in part to the taxes required to pay for the new school.

http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bauerle/disaster.htm

Then there is this prospective school bomber:

http://news.yahoo.com/oregon-teenager-busted-columbine-inspired-plan-bomb-high-161856133.html

 

[Zoogster]

It is about control.

Whatever method of convincing the population that fewer and less powerful arms being owned is for thier own good will be utilized.
Tragedies even if in reality they account for a tiny fraction of homicides or threats, are exploited to that end.
It never has anything to do with homicide rates, typical violent crime, etc
It has everything to do with control.

 

[Alizard]

Most gun violence is due to gang on gang violence or gang related violence.

The infamous mythical quote about how every day 50 (or pick any number) of CHILDREN are killed by guns hinges on the use of age 21 as the cutoff..... so all the gang war deaths become classified as "children killed by guns".

 

[Zeke/PA]

We have all seen misquoted facts/figures regarding the Gun Violence issue.
One would think that a Politico would be better informed and the and the News Media interested in the truth verses sensationalism.
Sadly, the Gun Issue won't die as long as "Lawmakers" continue to "hawk" the same to further their self serving, adgenda driven ambitions.

 

[medalguy]

You never let a serious crisis go to waste. Doesn't that say it all about the gun control advocates and mass killings of any kind?

 

[chhodge69]

The last two generations have grown up exposed to media and movies saturated with these lies:
- guns cause violence
- only cops and criminals have guns
- anyone who stands up to criminals is a vigilante
- the police are there to protect you
- all guns are registered
- a man with a gun is up to no good

And people believe this garbage because it's all they know. When firearms education moved from schools and organizations to TV and movies we lost control of the message.

 

[SilentStalker]

So, what happens if people in NY do not turn their's in? Its kind of against a Constitutionally protected right is it not? So, lets say someone doesn't turn them in and they get arrested or whatever. I assume that has the potential to go to the USSC. Then if so and so wins, I assume he could sue NY? Then again, can you even sue a federal entity?

 

[zxcvbob]

You never let a serious crisis go to waste. Doesn't that say it all about the gun control advocates and mass killings of any kind?

And if there is no crisis, create one.

 

[PabloJ]

Doubt it would help, but you could just tell them that law abiding people do not harm others with firearms until they loose it temporarily or long-term.

 

[beatledog7]

... law abiding people do not harm others with firearms until they loose it temporarily or long-term.

PabloJ, would you care to clarify?

My point is that short of the need to defend themselves from attack or repel an invasion, the overwhelming majority of law-abiding gun owners will never harm others--there is no "until they lose it" in us.

 

[alienbogey]

.... Rifles each year kill less than 500 people,....

Rifles didn't kill anybody.

Some PEOPLE used rifles to kill.