The new MKA 1919 Shotgun & Krebs Custom

[sturmgewehr]

The new MKA 1919 shotgun is interesting, but it's even more interesting when gunsmith Marc Krebs turns his attention to it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzh1HxRxp80

Questions and comments are welcome.

 

[BearGriz]

Let us know when there will be some high capacity mags/drums!

I would love to own this weapon, even from the factory it looks pretty sweet! I'm glad they got rid of the bedazzled crap they had on the test units.

But I am waiting for a few things:

1. More money
2. High capacity mags
3. The right picatinny-size rails (I hear the next batch will have them)
4. Adjustable gas system

If I understand the 922r compliance, I'd need to replace a certain number of Turkish parts with American ones before I can legally use a high capacity mag (which will be American made by necessity). So we'll need more domestic parts along with the hi-cap mags.

I know there is a bushing out there that will allow you to run light loads through it, but I would rather have something that I can adjust on the fly. With the bushing, you have to take the gas system apart. It works, but is a temporary fix.

But overall, nice gun! Thanks for the vid.

 

[stiletto raggio]

The new one looks better than the standard. Problems I foresee:

1: parts are proprietary, so they will be expensive and rare.

2: the design will be hard to adapt a drum for.

3: "conversions" look to be difficult to do at home

4: mags do not drop free, mitigating any advantage in reloading it may have over the Saiga.

We'll see where this goes.

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

I don't see how it would be hard to make a drum for it.

 

[BearGriz]

1: parts are proprietary, so they will be expensive and rare.

You mean replacement parts (if something breaks), correct? I assume that is true with all new designs. Like you said, we'll have to see where that goes.

2: the design will be hard to adapt a drum for.

How so? I read somewhere that the part of the drum that fits in the magwell will need to be steel (not enough space for polymer). But other than that, I haven't heard any specific issues. Is steel (and/or steel/polymer together) more expensive than polymer? I guess it could be since polymer is molded.

3: "conversions" look to be difficult to do at home

I am not that familiar with the Saiga (I wanted one before the scare, but backed off until I can buy one for $600 or less, especially considering the conversions that they seem to need to just function), is that the system you are comparing this to in terms of the ease of conversions?

4: mags do not drop free, mitigating any advantage in reloading it may have over the Saiga.

Maybe they just don't have enough mass, or it takes a while to break them in. Maybe higher capacity ones (the only ones I'd really use) would. Plus, isn't one of the advantages of the magwell that it is easier to load? I am no expert, I just seem to remember hearing that.

I'm not trying to be a fanboy (don't own one, but want one), I'm just looking for clarification. I'm more of an AK guy anyway (though why do you have to pick sides?) since I own an AK and don't own an AR (unless you count the S&W MP 15-22 pistol, boy that is fun...but not really an AR).

In the end, I am probably just excited to see the market grow. Up until now the Saiga was the only game in town, and we saw the problems that happened at the beginning of the year when there was only one option (and there was the scare).

Like I said, my first obstacle is more money. Maybe when I have that solved, we'll know more.

 

[Dr.Rob]

Like that modified one--its smaller than a Saiga.

But the plastic upper, front sight that waivers and a bedazzled safety?

Strange.

 

[stiletto raggio]

Rob,

It is smaller than a Saiga because the one in the video is an SBS.

BearGriz,

I am happy to see the market grow, too. CMMG had a prototype that ran on an AR-10 lower and I think that had more potential. I am comparing it to the Saiga because the Saiga is the only real competition right now. By the numbers.

1: Most parts for the Saiga are the same as a standard AK. I doubt there are many standard AR parts in the 1919.

2: The magwell poses a constraint on drum design. Look at the MD20: it slants forward to accommodate proper feeding. You may be able to rig something like that to a metal feed tower, but the design process would be significantly more complex.

3: Stock Saigas work fine, but they are far from optimal. With that said, a reasonably skilled amateur can do a lot of work on a Saiga. To get from the stock 1919 to something approaching what Krebs did requires a machine shop, pure and simple.

4: Magwells (with straight insertion) are generally considered easier to load than the "rock and lock" AK type, but watching the video it does not look like this magwell is open enough for really fast loads or mag changes. Then again, I haven't handled it. This one might be a draw.

I say let the platform mature and it might be competitive, but I would not put any money into it until a lot more development has been done.

 

[Dr.Rob]

I said the modified one. not just in barrel length but 'overall stature.'

 

[Sky]

I should have mine on Monday 8, August from Centerfire systems. Hope it works w/o problems. It comes with one 5 round and one 10 round mag. Will try to do a range report on Monday or Tuesday.

 

[stiletto raggio]

Looking forward to seeing a hands-on review.

 

[Cryogaijin]

Take a look at the reviews that are up over on saiga12.com Tony Rumore has had his for a while now.

 

[NG VI]

How did it work for you?

 

[ChileRelleno]

Take a look at the reviews that are up over on saiga12.com Tony Rumore has had his for a while now.

Take a look at all the goodies Tony and crew are getting ready for market.

Indeed, S12.com thinks enough of it to give it it's own forum, http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/forum/149-mka-1919/

 

[Sky]

The reason an empty mag does not fall free is due to the weight of the mag which is very little. A mag with a round or two falls fine so some lead tape on the bottom of the mag might just work? Not that big a deal to me but I understand for some it would be desirable.

 

[BearGriz]

Weight would probably be a factor. Tony has another explanation here that is also probably contributing:

http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php...with-the-1919/page__view__findpost__p__675748

 

[Sky]

hahahah I like where the guys said: They all complained about the lack of high cap mags and drums, which we all know will change shortly. All of them also failed to acknowledge the fact that none of their S12's ran right out of the box without having to change out springs or clean out "vodka special" gas ports... unlike my 1919

 

[ChileRelleno]

hahahah I like where the guys said:

They all complained about the lack of high cap mags and drums, which we all know will change shortly. All of them also failed to acknowledge the fact that none of their S12's ran right out of the box without having to change out springs or clean out "vodka special" gas ports... unlike my 1919

What rubbish, plenty of S12s run like the proverbial 'Well Oiled Machine' right outta'da box.
Especially the early originals with four ports that were soon mislabeled 'Over Gassed', just more rubbish.
Most people only take the time to complain, not praise, therefore most people just hear the trash talking.

My three port has ran like a raped ape from day one, eats all but the lightest target loads, e.g. Winchester Universal. No need to change spring, nor clean/drill ports.

Just like the S12, the AKDAL MKA 1919 doesn't like light target loads either.
So take that garbage to the curb. Why else would the very first thing Tony/Tromix puts on the market be the gas bushing?

http://store.carolinashooterssupply.com/servlet/-strse-1081/T19-dsh-01-Tromix/Detail

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]MKA-1919 Gas Booster Bushing[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] SKU: TRX-MKA-T19-01 The Tromix gas booster bushings are now available for the AKDAL MKA-1919 shotgun.
CNC machined from 17-4 stainless.
These bushings are installed on the top of the gas bypass spring which increases preload and decreases total bypass piston travel, thus allowing your gun to cycle lighter ammunition.
Bushing should be removed when firing heavy loads.

Look for more great items available here soon for the AKDAL MKA-1919 12 gauge shotgun including:
-Quad rail hand guard -Charging Handle
-Collapsible/Folding Stock Adapter
-Shark Brake
-Flash Hider
-Extended Choke Tube Wrench
-Aluminum Lower Receiver
TROMIX
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]PRICE: [/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] $9.00[/FONT][/FONT]

 

[Youngster]

The 1919 seems to have potential but I can see it becoming an orphan rather quickly if a U.S. manufacturer releases something similar.

 

[Sky]

Well the 1919 is different. Mine does not Kill me in recoil like the Mossberg 88 does with the same loads. We will just have to wait and see how far the design goes and who jumps on the band wagon.

I like some of the mods that Tony/Tromix has done on theirs. I have not been shooting shotguns very much for many years but am going to be trying out some different loads in the 1919 and Saiga 410 for some pig hunting. I always use the 5.56x45 (works great) but thought I might try something different just to see what some of the newer shotgun rounds will do.