The Only Real SIG Pistol

[BigG]

hand bitingest pistols

(I should have said since the Walther PPK ) That was said tongue in cheek but to each his own. I like to get one of their old .30 Lugers in pristine cond, meself.

The euroweenie heel type release is another questionable feature, given the Luger had the correct button; so why did the Swiss go to the dorky pocket pistol style release on their big holster job? I admit the commercial P210s are well finished but I don't think the military ones are all that wonderfully finished. Fit, good, finish, ho-hum. The nicer finished ones I saw came with the black bakelite grips.

 

[Walt Sherrill]

re: accuracy...

I had a P-210-6 for several years. I used it in IDPA for a while.

While the accuracy was stellar, I'm not THAT great a shot <grin>. The safety was small, the sights could slice you up when grabbing the slide (until you use a file to break the harsh, sharp edges), and the m ag release was awkward.

The new P-210-8 has the US-style mag release -- and an extended beavertail, minimizing hammer bite.

Mine came with a proof target that showed a sub-2" group at 50 meters, rougly 55 yards. That's impressive. Whenever I was up to it, the gun show very small groups at 20 yards, and I seemed able to hit distant plates with it better than any other gun I've tried.

But, I needed a good second car, and sold it and bought a good used pickup. I now drive my P-210-6 to work each day.

Mags were expensive. ($75, available only from SIG); when I found a few after-market mags, it took forever to get them to work right, 'cause they had cheap metal followers.

After a lot of work they were finally better than marginal, but it took a while. I ordered followers from SIG, and they back-ordered. I cancelled the order, as I had sold the gun, but they shipped anyway, and charged my credit card. Got my money back -- good thing, too: 5 followers were more than $100. FOLLOWERS!!!

Beautiful gun. Only my S&W 52-2 shot as well, and it holds only 5 rounds.

I could and did carry the P-210-6; it was a practical service pistol. It did NOT bite the hand that held it... but it bit others.

 

[Shake]

There is only one pistol family properly bearing the name of SIG. The SIG P210 series of pistols was originally made by Schweizerische Industrie-Gesellschaft

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[Heraclitus]

Although the P210 is certainly a classic and arguably one of the best 9mms ever made, I prefer SIG's German and German-American "mongrels".

 

[Michael Zeleny]

I like to get one of their old .30 Lugers in pristine cond, meself.

7.65 Parabellum is the connoisseur's chambering. Get one for each hand:
http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=16666550

The euroweenie heel type release is another questionable feature, given the Luger had the correct button; so why did the Swiss go to the dorky pocket pistol style release on their big holster job?

If the main design brief is to retain the magazine, the heel clip does it more securely, more reliably, and more ruggedly than the side latch. The only problem with the stamped P210 magazine clip is its propensity to break off at the acute angle folding into the grooved thumb bearing surface. If you have to engage hostile targets from behind of a rock cover, don't let it rebound in recoil against the hard surface.

I admit the commercial P210s are well finished but I don't think the military ones are all that wonderfully finished. Fit, good, finish, ho-hum. The nicer finished ones I saw came with the black bakelite grips.

The P210 finish varies in quality. Tool marks were common on the pistols made from the mid Seventies till the end of the P210 production on the original tooling in 1985. (The hand fitting remained nonpareil, as witness the contemporaneous Hämmerli-made P210 pistols, delivered with 10 shot, 50-meter targets tighter than any produced theretofore or since.) The finish on the pistols made on the CNC machinery production lines since the early Nineties is better than ever, though the high polish that some are pining after, to date has appeared only on the pimped out commemorative models.

 

[patentnonsense]

pimped out commemorative models.

Ya?
Like what?

 

[Michael Zeleny]

Herewith several gun images including the ne plus ultra of the pimp configurations, collected on somebody's brand new P210 fan site: http://www.p210.com/p210_images.htm.
The first one is a 2003 P210-6S pandering to the American market preferences. The second is the garden variety john model, a military standard P210-2 made in early Nineties, perhaps the most tasteful variation in the best P210 production run ever. The third is the egregious 700 Year Swiss Commemorative. The fourth is an H.R. Giger Necropolis, presumably the whore issue designed for maximal ease of ingress into body orifices. The last one is the allegedly fully functional Z-model, suggesting something about the strength of the steel used in P210 manufacture. Some engraved guns of more modest embellishment standards are currently on offer at http://www.collectorsfirearms.com/modernhandguns.htm#Sig_P210_Pistols. The market reception of the commemorative series is reflected in the number of P49 50 year commemoratives that have been offered stateside at rock bottom prices around $2,300. These relatively subdued pieces are similar to the first pistol depicted at http://www.gunfactory.ch/faustfw/sigp210j.htm. I am resisting the urge to buy one for wear as my barbecue gun.

 

[Sean Smith]

I like the P210 as much, if not more, than the next guy. But jeez, this topic is a bit... much.

 

[longeyes]

Fasc inating thread. By the way, what kind of piece did Samuel Beckett carry?

"We might however conceive of personal reasons for any given shooter to perform better with an inferior weapon, just as some men get harder with uglier women."

Something to that. I think if I had a really good gun I'd probably not even be able to load the magazine... My hands would shake too much.

Shouldn't this thread be moved to the Religion section?

 

[Michael Zeleny]

By the way, what kind of piece did Samuel Beckett carry?

In the Resistance Sam might have borne an MP-40 Schmeisser obtained in exchange for the Flare Projector Caliber .45, a.k.a. the Liberator Pistol. After the war, I see him carrying a Browning Baby to the tune of "Quand mon 6,35 me fait les yeux doux" as sung by Serge Gainsbourg:

Quand mon 6.35 me fait les yeux doux,
C'est un vertige que j'ai souvent pour en finir, pan pan
C't une idée qui me vient je ne sais pas d'où
Rien qu'un vertige, j'aimerais tant comme ça pour rire, pan pan.

Aie mourir pour moi, me butter pourquoi, histoire d'en finir,
Une bonne fois,
C't une idée qui me vient je ne sais pas d'où,
Rien qu'un vertige, que j'ai souvent comme ça pour rire, pan pan.

Quand mon 6.35 me fait les yeux doux,
C'est un vertige que j'ai souvent pour en finir, pan pan
C't une idée qui me vient je ne sais pas d'où
Rien qu'un vertige, j'aimerais tant comme ça pour rire, pan pan.

Aie mourir pour moi, me butter pourquoi, histoire d'en finir,
Avec toi.
C't une idée qui me vient je ne sais pas d'où,
Rien qu'un vertige, que j'ai souvent je trouve ça assez tentant.

 

[BigG]

30 Luger in pristine condition

Actually, Michael, I meant the 7.65 Pistole Parabellum that was made by Ludwig Loewe IIRC for the Swiss before they went to the 1929 modification with the egregious flat front strap.

 

[Michael Zeleny]

Actually, Michael, I meant the 7.65 Pistole Parabellum that was made by Ludwig Loewe IIRC for the Swiss before they went to the 1929 modification with the egregious flat front strap.

Personally, I would go for the Waffenfabrik Bern 06/26, just to avoid that German mojo. Call Ken at F.G.S. Inc. at 740-353-0148, http://fgsinc.8m.com. Their reputation in the Luger collectors is excellent, and generally they have the best deals going on Swiss arms. They are offering a cut price K-11 with the purchase of any Swiss Luger. I claim that discount for my referral fee.

 

[XLMiguel]

Fascinating. A bit dry and esoteric on some levels, but fine history lesson and I'm really impresssed that we have this level of connisseur pistoleros and depth of knowledge here so readily available.

Thank you, gentlemen.

 

[SteelyDan]

You know, I usually remember I have to go to the bathroom when I start hearing phrases like "ne plus ultra," and I ordinarily regard spelling it "checquered" as something of an affectation, and french poetry reminds me too much of school. Still, the dude writes very well and shares good information. I think I can warm up to Michael.