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Taking a $2000 budget and wanting to hunt whitetail, get an AR in 6.8SPC, and a lever .30-30, and a Savage bolt in .308 or .30-06, and a 12 ga.

Add a Glock 19, you're done. You can't take them all, and you're likely better off to stay where all the ammo is stashed in your gun safe. Or, choose one, and spend it on improving the disaster readiness of the home. Start buying propane camping gear to cook on when the gas or electric is out, with some kind of wood heater to fall back on, and a way to source clean water right where you are.

Food, Shelter, Clothing are first, you can not possibly take it all with you, but you can have it there secure waiting things out.

If it's really a concern about SHTF, then guns are way down the list of priority.
 
Thing is, if you ask this question, you're going to get a different answer from every responder.
I'm on another forum, and this question comes up a lot. The consensus answer is, "The rifle you have." Which is to say, the one you're comfortable with, have ammo for, and can shoot effectively. A trained rifleman with a 80 year old Mosey trumps the Mall Ninja with the custom built, outfitted black rifle whose EOThingy just ran out of batteries and can't hit past 50yds without it.
That said, IMHO you should choose a rifle you are comfortable with, in a caliber adequate to engage any threat or hunt any game you are likely to encounter in your area. If you live in an urban space ranges will be short and game small. AR or AK are more than adequate. Out in the toolies, something with a bit more reach may be prescribed.
I do not discount lever or bolt guns like many here seem to. You should never have to engage in protracted combat in a bug-out. Just be sure to TRAIN effectively with your rifle.
 
Yeah, but as civvies, we get to pick what works best for US, not just get what's issued. If somebody gets something based on my recommendation and hates it, we both wasted our time.
MY personal pick is a G3 clone. 20 rds of .308 at a time, great iron sights, free floating barrel, and i've gotten it REAL dirty and hot, it just didn't care. Accurate, hard hitting, and reliable...if also heavy and somewhat ergonomically flawed. But i'm also getting a "survival" parts kit with just about every conceivably breakable small part for $105, and have a stack of steel 20rnd mags i got for $2 each...
 
To answer your question as posed, I'd want a semi-auto .308, and would look hard at the Remington AR-based model. I don't yet own one, but if I were in a mindset to be able to only take one gun and be able to defend my family and hunt deer, that might be it. Another choice might be a Rossi Trifecta - 20ga/.243/.22lr switchbarrel combo. Depends on what I was defending the family from.

If my intention was to walk into the woods and disappear, I'd be taking a 1911 and a scoped 10/22. I can kill enough to keep fed with the 10/22 without attracting a lot of attention, and I would be hard pressed to find a better defense weapon than the 1911. Of course, Rambo (in the first one) and Crocodile Dundee (in the first one) only needed a big-ass knife...

If I were relocating for a long stay, I'd take every gun I own...
 
Saiga .308...

Built on a platform that'll take all kinds of abuse and still keep working. Chrome-lined barrel, common and very effective caliber, multiple mags can be kept loaded with various ammo to quickly swap to meet the "moment's need" from squirrels (110gr BT head shots) all the way to black bear (165gr SP). An AR10 in .308 would be my second choice. Although the AR is probably more accurate the AK was/is designed for the worst kinds of abuse and will simply work when you need it to.

***From an armchair whatever...


ETA: A Saiga .308 will cost about $500 delivered. On you're budget you could also buy a S-.223 and S-12ga and still have cash left over for ammo. But since this is limited to just "one rifle"... the S-.308 and LOTS of ammo.
 
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I don't think there is a single gun owner who doesn't play this game from time to time. For me: well it depends.

If I'm bugging out to the boonies and will be living off the land and not fighting a marauding horde, it's really tough to beat a Marlin 336 in 30-30. Plenty of thump to take out deer-sized game, very robust design that requires very little maintenance, will be more than enough to take care of a light social situation, doesn't raise eyebrows while you're bugging out (just an ol' hunting rifle that you just happened to have in your truck...that's all).

If you're going on the lam, living place to place, and expect to do some fighting, your favorite flavor of AK or AR is going to be just fine. Both are proven and robust designs, both can take game (the AK throws about the same amount of lead as the 30-30 ballistically speaking, the AR is going to require shot placement... a scope would be wonderful). Personally, I'd go with the AR. Mine packs nicely, I shoot .223 better than the 7.62x39, and in a REAL "OMG the sky is falling!" situation, it would be nice to carry a weapon with a caliber our armed forces will have on them. That and 4 or 5 30 round mags don't weigh much at all.
 
@MistWolf; I've gone through the process you talked about already with my Mosin. I'm seeing that I would like something more manageable than a full power cartridge, and also less expensive. Right now a Winchester 94 is looking very appealing to me, but the paranoid side of me would love to have the force multiplying effect of a semi-auto rifle. The reason I created this thread was to augment my own opinion with some others to make a good choice and reduce trial and error as much as possible, that way I can spend more time getting familiar with my choice.

So far, your experiences with the Mosin have you leaning towards, if I interpret what you're saying correctly, a caliber with less recoil and rifle with a better rate of fire. Very good. As far as less expensive goes, do you mean in general, or compared to surplus 7.62x54? From what I understand, surplus 7.62x54 is pretty cheap.

What else have you learned from shooting your Mosin? Those lessons should help you narrow your choices down a bit.

Nothing wrong with getting the Winchester 94, but think carefully about the calibers it comes in. The 30-30 has recoil similar to the 7.62x54 and ammunition will cost more. the 44 Mag and 45 Colt still have a good amount of recoil even in a lever action and again, ammo is more expensive. The upside is both calibers are easy to reload. However, the Model 94 may not mesh with cheap ammo and less recoil.

Before we go any further, what do you really want to get and why? Be honest with yourself when answering this question. Again, what you choose is up to you and you alone bear the responsibility for it.

I suggest getting something and shooting it. If you don't like it, sell or swap it off and try something else. That's what my father did his whole life. I got to try a wide variety of firearms as a result
 
It's not the weapon, it's the individual. The weapon you have is plenty good to meet your needs if you practice a lot with it. If you want to get another weapon, go for it. As for me, I very much used to prefer semi-autos, then, I got my 30-30 lever action. I fell in love with it. If I could only grab/have one, the 30-30 lever action would be it. I can confidently hit (NOT hunt - I won't shoot beyond 200 yards) out to 400 yards. As for high rates of fire and ammo capacity, it is somewhat limited. So what? I have a back-up handgun that I can transition to if I needed to for in close fighting. At long ranges the reload speed or rate of fire won't really be an issue for a lever action if you are taking aimed shots.

If you but a lever action, you won't regret it.
 
I think you should get an FN FAL. It is powerful enough to fulfill your needs, such as killing deer, protecting your family, and always working.
After the FAL, I recommend an AK in 7.62x39.
After the AK, I recommend an SVT-40. This could very well be expensive, but think of it is a Garand with a detachable magazine and an embarrassing Stalinist tattoo.
After the SVT, I recommend an SKS. It's like a little brother to the SVT. It shares the AK ammunition and it has a bit more power and accuracy.
After the SKS, I recommend an AR-15. I shouldn't need to pimp why you should take it.
After the AR, I recommend an m1903a3 Springfield. A bolt action should definitely be given a serious thought.

If you've got a budget of $2000 to spend on stuff for a SHTF situation, then let me give you a bit of a break down using the numbers I calculated for myself.

Here's a theoretical loadout:

FAL: $900
300 rounds: $300
15 20 round Magazines: $300
Motor Oil: $25
First aid kit: $20
Utility knife: $35

Total: $1580
This gives you $420 to spend on additional supplies. Here are some other things to consider:
Bolded items are of especially high concern.

Ceramic water filters
Pure Grain Alcohol
Camouflage BDU
Body armor
Helmet
Shovel
Headlamp
Binoculars
Ax
Emergency radio
Paracord
Duct tape
Socks
Ibuprofen
 
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Picking up a good Fal for $700 is a little optimistic. For $700, it will an Angry Beaver (Century) or somebody's problem child. A more realistic low end price would $900. Even so, a Fal would be a fine choice
 
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So far, your experiences with the Mosin have you leaning towards, if I interpret what you're saying correctly, a caliber with less recoil and rifle with a better rate of fire. Very good. As far as less expensive goes, do you mean in general, or compared to surplus 7.62x54? From what I understand, surplus 7.62x54 is pretty cheap.

What else have you learned from shooting your Mosin? Those lessons should help you narrow your choices down a bit.

Nothing wrong with getting the Winchester 94, but think carefully about the calibers it comes in. The 30-30 has recoil similar to the 7.62x54 and ammunition will cost more. the 44 Mag and 45 Colt still have a good amount of recoil even in a lever action and again, ammo is more expensive. The upside is both calibers are easy to reload. However, the Model 94 may not mesh with cheap ammo and less recoil.

Before we go any further, what do you really want to get and why? Be honest with yourself when answering this question. Again, what you choose is up to you and you alone bear the responsibility for it.

I suggest getting something and shooting it. If you don't like it, sell or swap it off and try something else. That's what my father did his whole life. I got to try a wide variety of firearms as a result

Recoil is not a huge issue with it, but I would enjoy having something with less kick. I also don't like the blast I get from it, it's a good bit louder than other rifles I have shot. Lately I've also been kinda pissed with the accuracy that I'm getting from it, it is shooting in about a six inch circle at one hundred yards. I've been playing around with rapid fire practice and the bolt takes some encouragement to come out of battery, (I already cleaned any possible cosmoline out) so follow up shots suck.

My Mosin has done well for fifty dollars, and I've harvested a few pigs with it, but it just feels like overkill. I've shot Marlin and Winchester 30-30's and enjoy their feel, but I haven't taken game with either. The 94 feels much more natural in my hands than the 336. Still though, I don't know the first thing about how good they are as far as overall dependability.
Oh, and 7.62x54r is by no means expensive here, but comparable cartridges like .308 are kinda pricey for my taste. I would really love to start reloading, but I have little knowledge about it, I'm considering purchasing a reloading set with some of my left over money if I have enough.

To answer your question honestly about what I want to get right now, I'm really having an ache for an AR15. I've shot a few hundred rounds down the range, and I just love how easy it is to hit targets with it. I apologize if this angers anyone or if they think it is unethical, but I've used an AR to thin out groups of hogs at some fair distances, and at times I was able to hit and kill up to three hogs in a single run. I've heard all the different arguments about it, and my problems with it is that I hear people talk about it being problem riddled, and also I am wary of things that have an almost pop culture status.
So to kinda clarify what I want, I want a rifle that won't let me down in a hunt, that won't require constant parts replacement or gunsmith trips (I have no trouble with simple maintenance and cleaning) and in the absolute worst case, allow me to deal with multiple armed threats at a time, no matter what they might be.

I don't want a "sniper" rifle, I don't want a full power "battle" rifle, and I don't want to have to keep batteries to keep my rifle working. I just want a moderate caliber rifle that will put a bullet where I want, when I want, and as many times as I need it to, and will give back as much as I put into it.
Right now the three rifles that I am thinking about most, is a standard package AR, a Winchester 94, and a Remington 7615. Buying and trading has screwed me over more times than it has worked for me, so I want to avoid that as much as possible. Whatever I decide to get, I will probably be sticking with it for a while.
 
My personal SHTF rifle is my SKS, while the wife gets the 12 gauge and the kids each carry a .22 rifle.

Not that I plan to be bugging out any time soon. I live in a remote enough area and have enough stocks and plans for a disaster event (not like the head cases on Doomsday Preppers, but getting there my wife says) that I can Shelter in Place rather than bug out into the wild blue yonder.

The SKS is a great gun. not as many bolt on lego-like accessories for it, but about a third of the cost of an decent AR, and easily half the cost of an AK. If you're a po' boy like me, the SKS might be a great way to go. 7.62x39 is inexpensive and widely available. I cleaned out my local Wally world of TulAmmo for a hair over $50.

ETA: Also own a Mosin M44, which would get buried in the backyard if I ever did have to bug out. Too much weight involved.
 
Only one rifle? AR, AK, or even more likely, my SKS-D that likes 40-round mags would be top of my list if the zombies ever come en masse.


Truth is, most of the time when I hit the sticks with "one rifle", it's a beat-up 1978mfg Marlin 336 30-30 with a buttcuff and Williams peeps on it.

It works way better in my hands than all logic suggests it should.
 
it would be my ar15.

plenty of power to be honest. lightweight. easy to carry lots of ammo. accurate. unsurpassed reliability.
 
the only rifle you could take

a kimber of oregon 84m in cal .22 long rifle, with a leupold scope.

with that weapon, i can shoot anything that moves, in the ear or eye, within any distance they might harm me or mine, or within any distance that i might need to harvest them for food.
 
For $2000 or less,
1.308 Savage 110 20" barrel with a 3x9x40 redfield. Deer rifle, long enough range weapon.
2. 12 gauge Mossberg 500 20" barrel, best close range personal protect.
3. 22lr target pistol (ruger, browning, what every) food gathering
4. 380/9mm pocket pistol. (something to carry 24/7)
5. Use weapon "3" or "4" to get an AR if you really feel the need.

In a real crisis a good 380 pocket pistol on your person is going to be the most valuable weapon of all. With it you can acquire any weapon or tool needed

My bug out gun kit fits behind the old truck bench seat and contains.
1. 223, Olympic Arms AR carbine
2. 308, Long action 700 with a target barrel
3. 12 gauge, 870, 20" barrel with screw in chokes,
4. 45 ACP 1911 Government Frankenstein
5. 380 ACP KEL-TEC
6. 22lr Ruger Bull barrel MarkII.

In the truck bed under the camper shell is the survival kit
A backpack with
1. Axle
2. shovel
3. leatherman
4. 5 inch hunting knife and sharpner.
5. Bleach
6. Rope
7 tent
8 20 degree sleeping bag.
9 Alcohol stove//cookkit and lighter
Basically my AT hiking kit.

The truth is, the back-pack and a 22 pistol would do more to keep me alive than the rest of the guns in the gun-kit/
 
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It sounds like you want one of these. Mine is a Rock River Arms LAR-6 Mid-Length A4 in 6.8SPC with a Streamlight TLR-1 and Aimpoint CompC3 2moa red dot.

I know people will scoff at the idea of the 6.8spc cartridge, but price-wise its no more expensive than .308. The only drawback would be availability of 6.8 ammo.

I have personally seen it at Wal-Marts, Bass Pro Shops and at least one local gun shop.

I buy mine on-line at Silver State Armory and have stocked up on enough to get me by for awhile.

Unlike .223, the 6.8spc (.270 Short) is a capable medium game hunting cartridge, 40% more power with very similar trajectories to .223 and .308.

This could very well be my do-it-all rifle.

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I'm with Mr. Blue - I think a Ruger Gunsite Scout rifle would be a good rifle. It's very accurate, ammo is very available (I reload but also buy 308 from walmart and surplus .308), and it's built like a tank.

bolt actions are easy to clean and maintain, and it's nice that the gun has irons, yet can easily accomodate a scout scope (or red dot or EOTech type of scope) or a conventional scope.

I have a Ruger 308 sporter hawkeye and it's built like a tank, accurate (sub 1" 3-shot groups at 100 yards using walmart ammo) and it's fun to shoot.

i think a Gunsite Scout, plus a bolt action 22LR would be an economical way to go.

for the longest time, my only long gun was a Winchester 94 lever gun. It's a good gun, but if you need to shoot out past 100 or 200 yards, a bolt action in 308 would be better.

if you handload, you can load 308 cartridges for plinking (using cast bullets and Trailboss powder), light bullets for varmint hunting, and heavier bullets for medium and large game. The lever gun is a great gun, but if you want to shoot out to longer distances, it's not as well suited for the task.
 
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