The prevailing meme is "Multiple armed CCW'ers will just shoot each other."

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That's the prevailing meme I'm seeing when someone brings up CCW. Not "A gun will just make things worse", or "I wish all guns were banned", it is "Multiple CCW responders will mistakenly shoot each other". They know that a gun MIGHT help and they're not arguing against CCW, they're arguing that "yes, one CCW'er would help, but multiple ones would just shoot each other." They're passively acknowledging that CCW is a public good.

Fire and manuver, THR. People are getting it.
 
If people say that tell them it was an episode of the Family Guy, not a legitimate theory. Supposing a third party came upon two other parties shooting at each other, and the third party for whatever reason decided to join in. Is he just randomly going to pick one of the shooters and hope 50/50 that he shoots the right guy? Honestly, *** do Anti's put in their water.

V.T. is the most extreme example, recently declared a 'gun free zone', banning the carrying of handguns specifically. The weapons used were innocuous, one carried by millions of police officers and the other used by children and Olympic sports. If the Glock fired in auto, then that's another law the shooter broke and proved to be pointless.

It's just going to be important to survive the opening blitz the Anti's are coming out with. Long run people will realize that everything the Anti's say to do was done there, and V.T.is what results.
 
...and I'm sure Rosie would have everyone believe that the streets in Vermont are awash in blood, too...
 
Given the millions of concealed weapons permit holders and the thousands of crimes that they have stopped with those concealed weapons, this has yet to happen.

It's a stupid scenario anyways if you think about it, let say I am in class sitting next to Bob whom I have been sitting next to for the past two months and other than some strange grooming habits, every thing indicates he is a normal guy. We hear shots ring out in the hall or worse the door crashes open and shots are fired. I hit the floor reach into my pack back or smartcarry holster whatever and pull my .357 snubbie, I look over at Bob and he produces a 1911, I immediately think:

a.) Shoot the beady eyed bastard I always knew he wanted to kill us all.
b.) Think, "thank frigging God he's armed too I might survive this".
c.) I wish I was carrying my XD45 instead of the stupid 5 shot snub.
d.) Come up off the ground gun at eye level and pushed out, focused on the front sight, pulling the trigger once the gun man is made, remembering all of the while, slow but steady wins the game.

The anti-s would do A. I would like to think I would do B, C, & D.

Another point the nay sayers like to make is my God the police will shoot you instead of the gun man, this has also not happened but it is a good thing to think about. Once you have stopped the threat, holster your weapon out of sight and resume your status as scared student, IMMEDIATELY. Most of the time the cops will be there long after it's all over.
 
48 states allow concealed carry each for a period of time ranging from a year to decades, I'd ask them to prove it since there is a large enough statistical base that we don't need to day dream about what might happen.
 
Most people I'm reading have responded with the UT shooter in the tower being held under suppressive fire from citizens with their own rifles.
 
Multiple CCWs shooting at each other? :confused:

I thought some of the scenarios our side came up with were far out :uhoh:

I look forward to hearing any factual evidence of such including any cases where the 2 individuals who both were carrying legally did not have a prior conflict. i.e. any cases caused because of mistakes/confusion.

jbraun, I love to debate and I work in a very target rich enviorment, a large innner city teaching hospital that is affiliated with a liberal university :evil:
I've never heard this one before, may I ask what eniviorment you have heard this come up with?

Thanks

NukemJim
 
I'm seeing the same meme, with the additions of "if everybody is armed" and "who's going to arm them?"

As if everyone and their babies will be armed and gun owners or the gov't are going to issue handguns when the students buy books.
 
Oh, it's addressable.

And better yet, it's a hella better meme than we would have been facing ten years ago. This.. is progress. A slow march back towards sanity.
 
a.) Shoot the beady eyed bastard I always knew he wanted to kill us all.
b.) Think, "thank frigging God he's armed too I might survive this".
c.) I wish I was carrying my XD45 instead of the stupid 5 shot snub.
d.) Come up off the ground gun at eye level and pushed out, focused on the front sight, pulling the trigger once the gun man is made, remembering all of the while, slow but steady wins the game.

LMAO!!!!!! I see you've taken a few exams in your life, lol. You must me a Ph.D!
 
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