The Ruby pistol was a 'procurement nightmare' that armed French troops in WWI

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I really like rubies, they are kinda a pain to collect as you have them run the gambit, from 25 to 200, often sold as 'french (or spanish) old pistol'

if you can get them cheap it worth it.
 
I'll add some more to your article.

The safety id flipped down, not up, to fire the weapon.
When the safety is turned up, it blocks the trigger bar.
If you pull the slide back, it will lock open on the safety provided the gun was actually built to the contract specifications and had the slide lock cut on the slide proper.
Many, or most, actual French Issued weapons will have a metal stud braized to the slide just above the safety.
It was placed there by the French Armorers to prevent the back leather of the holster from pushing the safety in to the down, ready to fire, mode.
Apparently the French carried these guns fully loaded with ten shots and there were some accidents arising from this practice.
It is always wise to keep a Ruby chamber empty until actually ready to fire and then, just as quickly, unload the chamber when you stop.
Many of the guns will slip the hammer if they are jarred or mishandled and there is no half-cock safety notch on the hammers of these guns.

Esperanza Y Unceta (Astra)
Gabliondo Y Urresti( Later interests from this firm formed Llama)
Alkartasuna (Alkar) (Factory burned to the ground in 1917 or 1918 and they never recovered.)
These are the three primary contractors for the French.
Contract guns will all have nine shot magazines and these three manufacturers magazines will interchange as a general rule.

I own a genuine French issued Alkartasuna that has been in this families possession since 1942 or 1943 when it was acquired from a French Resistence fighter in a poker game.
The gun has been fired a minimum of 50 rounds per year since first being acquired and has never needed any parts replaced short of a hammer spring and a couple recoil springs.
That puts the round count at over 3400, plus whatever number of shots it fired in the 27 years before coming into my Dad's possession.
It will also reliably feed Winchester Silvertip hollowpoints.
I do have one original magazine for the gun and five magazines of the three manufacturers listed that are replacements.
The second original magazine flat wore out decades ago and the surviving original isn't in great shape.
The five replacements all work fine and are still in very good useable condition.

All the rest of the contract guns shipped are a literal crapshoot as to quality and that 500 round service life can be more truth than fiction in many cases.
The French were fairly careful to pick through and inspect the guns upon arrival.
I have been told many thousands were dumped into the ocean and payments were never made for the really bad stuff.

One must remember that after World War One the Spanish jumped to the forefront in producing small pocket automatics as the Germans and the Belgians were in no shape to produce these guns at that time and American manufacturing interests couldn't keep up with demand either.
All sorts of garbage guns were produced and dumped on the market in a desperate bid to gain hard cash sales.
Quality suffered.

I believe many people confuse these rather substandard postwar guns with the fairly high quality guns produced, at least initially, for the French contracts.

As an addenddum I will tell you that Spanish made Ruby pistols of good quality were still being issued to French Police Forces as late as the early 1980s and many hundreds still remain in reserve stocks.HTH
 
Onmilo,

Thanks for the info.

I knew about the stud by the safety, but forgot to mention it in the article. The pistol I got to handle didn't have the stud.

Are you positive about the direction of safety movement? I'll admit I could be wrong on that one, but I checked a couple on-line sources as well and they agree. Is it also possible that some of the many manufacturers reversed how the safety operates? (Just speculation on my part).

I'd love to see pics of your pistol, btw. Great family history behind that gun. (I'm envious as we have no idea how this pistol wound up in our family).
 
The rivet was not added to the French military pistols until after WWI, when those they were keeping were refurbished in the 1920s, but they were not installed on all the pistols they kept. So while its presence indicates continued French use its absence is ambiguous. The French sold a large number of surplus Ruby-types to the new country of Finland for its military, who then discovered all of the incompatibility problems (why the French wanted to get rid of them).

The safety is normally DOWN for FIRE (indicated by seeing an "F" stamped in the frame) and UP for SAFE (indicated by seeing an "S" stamped on the frame). Luckily, the F & S initials work in Spanish, French and English.

The French firearms manufacturer "Unique" made a number of high-quality Ruby-type pistols starting in the 1920s, and several models of these were used by the French police until well after WWII (the last delivery of new pistols to the police was in the 1990s, I think -- Unique closed about 7 years ago), and by the French military just before WWII and after liberation until around 1950, until production of the regular military sidearms (models 1935-A and 1935-S) was sufficient to meet military needs.

Unique was located in the Basque region of France (originally Behobie, moving to Hendaye in 1927), about 50 miles from Eibar in Spain, and started by several Spanish Basque gunmakers who relocated from Eiber.

Bill
 
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Trebor, why didn't you post all the text here?

Two reasons:

1. I share Copyright with Examiner and I'd have to put a "This first appeared at Examiner.com" line and a link back to the article anyways.

2. Examiner does pay by the page view so I'd be hurting myself if I posted the complete text of the article anywhere else. I try to be descriptive enough for people to decide for themselves if they want to click the link or not.
 
Onmilo and Gun Shy,

I corrected the text to say the safety goes DOWN for "Fire." Thanks for correcting me on that and I thanked you in the article as well.
 
I had to make a few new parts for mine, including a firing pin and disconnector (which I made from an old circular saw blade), but eventually got it to run like a train. It'll never be a target gun or a self-defense pistol, but every time I shoot it I speculate about whose hands its been in other than mine. My dad brought it back from Italy after WW2.

To remove it from the holster, one must place their index finger inside the trigger guard to depress the tab on the holster. :what:

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Great pics, Sleazy Rider, thanks for sharing those.

That's pretty hard core, making replacement parts like that.
 
I recently learned about the "Safety rivet", I own two Ruby type pistols and neither of them has it. I have a Unique that really puzzled me until I read about them, it looks exactly like the Spanish Ruby. Both of mine are nominally safe to shoot though only just barely. The slides come off forward and if there is enough wear the hammer will stick up far enough to block the slide from coming off, a real puzzle until one figures it out.

Considering the weight and clunky shape of these guns I'm amazed that anyone ever carried them, one's life certainly is worth more than a Ruby costs, and there were some nice guns in 1914-1918 available.

I collect interesting guns, Ruby's are interesting.
 
That's pretty hard core, making replacement parts like that.

I call it "desperation."

Enjoyed the article, Trebor, which I printed and awarded a place of honor on my bookshelf adjacent to Gangarosa's Spanish Handguns.

I agree, HisSoldier, Ruby's are interesting.
 
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