The Ruger American desparately needs improvements

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At present, I have been working with no less than 5 different Americans in various calibers. They aren't producing terrible accuracy, but not anything to rave about either. Being a long time Ruger fan, I find this rifle to be a major disappointment.

However, three separate aspects have come to my attention, the magazine, stock, and bolt face.

The magazine has is nothing short of cheesy and unreliable. So far, two of the 5 have had the magazine literally fall apart. One broke while simply loading it. The other was accidentally dropped while loading it, and it just broke apart.

The incident that happened while loading it was a clear indication of it's lacking durability, a weak design IMO. I would think a person loading a magazine should be able to do so without having to be ever so careful of it breaking during normal and common use.

The other incident in which it was dropped, was also a clear indication of a weak and cheesy design, especially for a high powered rifle IMO. The mag was on her lap while she was feeding cartridges into it when it slipped off her lap from about 2' off the ground, not concrete, just plain hard dirt. That one pretty much exploded into pieces, it broke the holding tabs molded into the plastic, which allowed everything to come flying apart.

One other noticeable issue is the weak and also dragging spring tension in the mag., which has caused very unreliable feeding in all 5 of these rifles. It usually requires having to smack the mag with the palm of your hand several times, if that even works, and at the risk of breaking it.

As for the stocks, well, they are poorly made and without any aspect of precision workmanship. Every single one of these stocks is clearly and visibly warped at the fore end. All exhibit a twisted appearance. There is simply no consistent points of contact or floating of the barrel. It's so bad and inconsistent, that one can't even determine if the stock is designed to be pressure bedded, or free floating. And when considering solving the issues by either free floating or by pressure bedding it, would be impossible due to the weak and extreme faulty workmanship.

And one other faulty quality is the bolt face. It's not very clean machine work, and exhibits a machine groove that stretches half way across the face the width of the extractor. It runs from the extractor, to the firing pin hole. For a reloader, this creates a problem by having to work with brass that has a .002"-.003" raised spot on the case head. This creates problems when trying to get head space to within acceptable tolerances without having to index the case head to the bolt face flaw. This problem is present on all 5 rifles I'm currently working with.

GS
 
The Ruger American comes in a wide variety of flavors from 5.56 to .30'06.

I'm not sure why it sucks other than it's a bolt action and not very efficient by modern standards.
 
Ruger makes better handguns than rifles. I've sold off the several Ruger rifles I have owned simply because they were not accurate. Most of the Ruger handguns function well and are satisfactory or better accuracy wise.
 
Milage seems to vary for different guns and different users.

People raved about the Edge/Axis so I bought two, a .223 and a .270, and found them to be junk IMO. Sold one gave the other away.

I heard good things about the Marlin XL7, bought one in 30.06 and had problems with it to the point where it is not shootable... and talk about poor customer service!. I gave up on satisfaction, and the rifle now sits in my closet as a parts gun for some future Marlin lover.

I bought two Ruger Americans, one in .308 and one in 7mm.08 (compact) and have had nothing but great luck with them. I have found the rifles to be durable and accurate. I have abused the heck out of the mags with no problem. No stock problem which contributes to inaccuracy. No feeding problems. And mind you, I beat my rifles up.

Just seems to go that way. That's why different manufacturers have fan boys.
If I WAS a fan boy it would be for the Weatherby Vanguard. What a great rifle that is in nearly all its incarnations!
 
I've read of some issues with the first 223's having issues with magazines. Ruger has been sending replacements to those who call with complaints and the new magazines seem to work.

Your's is the first negative post I've found. Lots of guys raving about accuracy. A very reputable poster on another sight is claiming 1" groups at 300 yards with his 308.
 
dak0ta said:
What quality are you expecting at the $300-400 price point?

I would expect quality equal to the other offerings in the same price range like the Savage Axis. I've never shot either so I can't comment other than to say both have been reported to be very accurate. But there's more to a good rifle than accuracy of course.
 
I think quality at this price point is relative. Basically these are budget bolt actions to put the bullet into the vitals of game a few times a year. I don't think you can equate quality with these rifles (Axis, American, 783). Maybe they can be called functional and spartan, which has it's own merits? They haven't been around long enough to know how durable they are either.

When I think quality, I'm thinking Sako 85, Cooper, Kimber, Mauser, Sauer etc.

Remington 700, Rugers, Winchester etc. would warrant the initial use of the word quality, and then as price goes up fit & finish, build quality, aesthetics come into play, thus quality rises.
 
Gamestalker, have you contacted Ruger about these issues and if so, please let us know their response? I bought mine last Aug (a 243) and have not experienced a single glitch. It shoots really well, the bolt is substantial and smooth as silk. It seems that some have experienced the "twisted stock" thing and have readily fixed it with a little sandpaper. Please keep us informed as to your progress.
BH
 
If I WAS a fan boy it would be for the Weatherby Vanguard. .
As far as budget rifles, I think they are quite impressive for the price.


What quality are you expecting at the $300-400 price point?

For the price range I would expect a larger number of rejects in this category.
I wouldn't consider any of the budget rifles to be good for bench time. Like others said, these are tools for those who need it once maybe twice a year. Just like power tools, if you need it once in a while you buy Black and Decker at Walmart for 20-30 bucks. If you use one professionally day to day you buy a Dewault or other higher end tool that cost you 100-150. The difference is paramount.
 
I use my Axis at 100yds as a target rifle, <3/4" groups at 100yds with cheap Hornady practice ammo. I've had zero issues with it. I've not personally met anyone who has. Savage makes one of the most accurate, off the shelf rifles out there, period. My wifes rifle will put four shots under a dime (Hornady V-Max or Z-max). I am going to start working up loads for them both this spring. Now hers is not an Axis, but we still got it on sale for about $300-$350. I've seen nothing out of the Ruger Americans that makes me think they are in anyway better than my savage. For that matter I haven't seen a Remington, Winchester, or other rifle that will out shoot ours at 100yds out of the box. Hopefully they will get the ranges long distance range back open this spring and I'll be able to do some real shooting.
 
So don't buy the lowest budget rifle on the market....

and stop dropping things.

I think the Ruger American is a step up from the savage axis for almost the same pricepoint.
 
If I WAS a fan boy it would be for the Weatherby Vanguard

I heard they had problems with them for a good while. For one thing there was a recall on a large number of the early models. It was a safety issue. Then there was a second recall just on the stainless models over a barrel nut issue. And I've seen quite a few complaints about inconsistent accuracy. Trigger issues are commonly reported also from a heavy pull to lots of creep. I don't write these reviews. I just read them.

It's not like I have experience with this rifle personally. I'm just saying you can find bad reviews of most rifles.
 
I'm not sure why it sucks other than it's a bolt action and not very efficient by modern standards.

Um… huh? Like everyone else, I am more than a bit curious here. Unless this is just a "drive-by troll" post, in which case, I would not be shocked.
 
I shot a friends American and thought it was good for the price. I do believe there is a correlation between price and quality. Savage Axis, Ruger American and Marlin XL models are relatively inexpensive and seem to be good for what they are. IMHO. Funny thing is the worst gun I ever bought was a Weatherby (Mark V?) If I remember correctly. First 2 shots would fire after that it was a crap shoot. Sold that gun at a considerable loss after 2 supposed fixes by a qualified Weatherby repair center.
 
My Ruger American is still on its 2nd trip back to Ruger. It has had magazine issues, chamber issues (not according to Ruger) and stiff extraction. Ruger called and said the chamber was SAAMI spec but added that they 'found' something in the chamber and that they wanted to send me another rifle. Whatever.... Like I want the POS that I keep sending back to them.
Can't speak about the bolt face. Ruger has had mine longer than I have and probably shot it more than me too. I'm OK with the stock on it as is. It's just not something I had high expectations of to begin with. It's on par with the Axis. Oddly enough I think the rifle wants to be a shooter.
Ruger just seams to get in the way and here is what I mean. They keep chasing the rotary magazine to oblivion. Works great on a 10/22 so it must work in all guns.. Right?... No not really. Best thing they can do for the American is drop that rotary mag BS like a hot horse shoe and go to a box mag that works. Let's be honest, the American is copy of the best features of an Axis but with a rotary (Ruger) mag and Ruger stamped on it. If you're gonna just copy an Axis then you might as well go all the way and not stink it up with your poorly thought magazine.
Some have mentioned that these rifles aren't meant to be shot much. Why? Because it's a 'budget' rifle? It's cheaper so it's OK that it's a POS? My Axis was cheaper than my American by a good bit and has been flawless.
Admittedly (in mine and Rugers opinion) the 223 compact I got was a Lemmon without peer. But, based on my experience with the American, I would say that the design and process does need to be revisited by Ruger.
 
Ive purchased two americans in the last year,and am satisfied with both.
both are sub minute of angle shooters,and decent hunting rifles at half the price of most others I have.
one 22-250 .and one 7-08.
 
Ruger makes better handguns than rifles. I've sold off the several Ruger rifles I have owned simply because they were not accurate. Most of the Ruger handguns function well and are satisfactory or better accuracy wise.
^ This.

You also get what you pay for. Perhaps you should sell a couple of those Ruger Americans and get a better rifle? I've also heard good things about the Savage Axis vs. the Ruger at roughly the same price point. Worth a look.

YMMV.
 
First of all, these rifles are not mine, they are family members, my Son's and Daughter in laws, and a close friend. I'm not much for budget production rifles myself, but that's because I put thousands down range, not just a few rounds each hunting season.

As for accuracy, once I completely relieved the pressure contact off the barrel on the fore end, they all shot great groups. But because of the weak structure regarding the stock, I had to remove quite a bit so the stock wouldn't flex down and touch the barrel with the weight of the rifle resting on it.

Rifles are .243 win, .270 win, and 30-06

I just don't understand why Ruger wouldn't have just put a tad more quality into this rifle. It's not a bad concept they have here, and it definitely has the potential to come off the production line with fewer issues, so I sure hope Ruger takes another look at this one. I really like the 3 lug 60 degree throw on the bolt, that's a nice touch I think.

And no, I haven't contacted Ruger, they aren't my rifles. I have suggested to all these American owners, to say something about these flaws to Ruger. Who knows, maybe Ruger will make some modifications to their future production of Americans, even if the cost goes up a tad.

GS
 
I have the rar in 30-06. I love mine. I have more expensive rifles in my closet but this is my go to big game rifle! I get sub minute of deer:). Seriously though I do handload for it and I put a buckmaster 3x9x40 on it. Due to its light weight it kicks like a mule. I look at budget rifles like this. Are there budget rifles that can shoot sub moa groups? Of course. All companies make those for a reason. Cheaply made and low price points for sales volume. I think the budget rifles do have a higher risk of failure but you roll the dice at that price point. I knew for deer it would be fine out of the box. But for pd dogs at 500 yards I spent the money on my 220 swift. Kinda like buying a judge for the wife for protection and buying nickel plated 1911 for me. They both go bang but one looks better!
 
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