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The Springfield XD Torture Test

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by WestonSmith, Apr 12, 2007.

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  1. WestonSmith

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    I was doing some research online about the Springfield XD torture test, references are http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Springfield_XD and http://springfield-armory.primediaoutdoors.com/SPstory11.html

    One so-called Torture Test was conducted in which an XD-9 was run over with a truck, frozen in a block of ice, caked with sand, and even stripped and degreased, firing nearly 20,000 rounds without a single malfunction in the process.

    So I was wondering, I have an XD-9 and really enjoy it, but why does a torture test like this matter? What would I be doing to my XD?
     
  2. sorensen440

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    It shows the durability of the xd platform
    If they can handle that they will last a long long time with normal use
     
  3. atblis

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    It shows

    why marketing is important. You have one, you like it, go shoot it. Forget about silly tests.
     
  4. Plumber576

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    That's just breakfast for a USP.
     
  5. trillium

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    :rolleyes:Hmm... actually they tried to pull this one on H&K

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  6. Lucky

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    Wow, Eastern Europeans know how to make em

    Seriously, that's a damned fine pistol.
     
  7. possum

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    that article is from a while back and as amatter of fact i got the gun magazine that it was in while in iraq and that is what made the decision that i was gonna buy one when i got back, and i did. that article is also very helpfull because it has holsters that they reviewed and used during the testing, tells the ones that worked out good and so forth and so on. it is a neat little filler to have on there.
     
  8. gudel

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    when you're new around the block, you have to prove themselves, hence the test. Other well known makers, don't.

    to that guy that post hk pic, that test with HK picture is one thing, but how many post problems do you see in this forum with HK? how many XD's problem showing up lately? :)
    Looks like they can't get their gun consistent, which I won't bet my life on it.
     
  9. atomd

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    You have to take into consideration that many more people are running out and buying XDs right now, not USPs. There is MUCH more talk lately in general about the XD, good and bad. Granted, HK has sold a good number of USPs but that number is spread out over a much longer time. They also cost a lot more. Some people might say that the cost isn't significant but I think a lot of people treat their $700 pistols with more respect and a gentler hand than their $450 ones. I'd also be willing to bet they spend more for quality ammo and better cleaning supplies...and clean them more often. Heck, even look at all the pictures people post of their HKs. I see more fancy pictures of HKs with nice backgrounds and expensive knives next to them than any other polymer pistol. Most of them look like they've hardly seen any use. Nothing against HK or their owners, I really like their pistols. I try to treat all my guns well but I think the idea of a "beater gun" exists with a lot of people. Glock and XD are more prone to abuse IMHO.

    I don't know about you guys but I don't see too many dinged up Ferraris, covered in mud and driving over pothole filled roads.
     
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    ...Not quite true... Ferarri has a niche market - if the idiots survive they go buy another. Planned obsolescence in the strictest manner!

    And these are just Enzos!

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  11. possum

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    glock did a torture test like that what is the difference?
     
  12. hnk45acp

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    there are plenty of 1911s out there that cost more than Sigs or HKs and they have more than their share of problems.
    I will give you: There are more Glock problems because there are more Glocks
    but I will not give you: There are less HK problems because HK owners baby their guns.
    The USP line has been around since 1994 and the problems are few and far between.
    Back to original poster:
    These "tests" are not really tests.
    A proper test would be to take 20 guns from each run and do the same thing to all the guns and see if there is a consensus on the results. In a few years we will know the durability of the XD line. Glocks, HKs and Sigs have many years of proven reliability behind them. All the rest is just marketing.
    BTW Detonics shot one of their guns out of a cannon and it still worked
    also you can crazy glue a guy wearing a hard hat to an I beam and he won't fall either:)
     
  13. atomd

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    But that also doesn't take away from the fact that there is more talk about the XD in general than there is HK talk. Look at the front cover of all the magazines....you see way more XDs than HK. Especially the 45. Look at all the writing on the forums about the XD. They are a hot item that generates a lot of communication in general. More talk right now than HK. So you will see more people raving about them....and on the other hand you will see more people complaining.

    I have to disagree with you on the way people treat their belongings. The more people pay for things the better they tend to treat them...in general. We're not talking about the idiots who like to destroy expensive things for fun. Around here an HK costs WAY more than most other polymer pistols sell for. Double what some of them sell for. Have you ever seen someone being reckless with something only to here the owner say "be careful with that! It's worth X amount of dollars"! It's just human nature to value things more that we work more for. If you can afford a $5000 leather sofa you can afford to have the leather cleaned properly. This is like the AR vs AK thing. I'd bet you dollars to donuts that you'll find WAY more people who have never cleaned their AK than people who have never cleaned their AR.
     
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    They can try to compare but...I will never be a Glock.
     
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    ill help boost the hk talk around here, im gonna trade in a few guns and get an hk uspc .45 and if i like it a full size :evil:
     
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    For all you HK lover's talking about proving themselves. Do you know of any elite military units or SWAT teams that use them? I know their rifles are popular with some militaries, how 'bout the pistols?
     
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    Im always amazed at how quickly these turn into a chevy vs. ford debate :banghead:
     
  18. n00bdave

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    XD's and Glocks are like Dell computers...everyone talks trash about them because so many people have them. Kind of the same as the previously mentioned Fords and Chevy's. Thing is, high end computers and BMW's have problems too. I've also heard that it can take months to get parts for a Ferrari.

    And as far as H&K's use in SOF...they have the Mk23 pistol and a compact .45 that from what I've heard and read see considerable use.
     
  19. Redhat

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    n00bdave,


    Where did you hear that?
     
  20. n00bdave

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    From the H&K site:

    One of the most thoroughly tested handguns in history, the MK23/MARK 23 project originated in 1991 when HK began development for the U.S. Special Operations Command, the unit that directs the activities of America’s most elite military units, including the NAVY SEALS and the Army Special Forces. Following stringent comparative trials, on May 1st, 1996 the Mk23 was adopted as a service pistol under the designation MK23 MOD.O.

    The compact version (looks like a cross between a USP tactical and a USPC .45) is lighter than the full size Mk 23. That is why it is popular with some who find the fs too heavy.

    I really liked my XD...I just didn't shoot as well with it as I would have liked. Good to know they're tough, I guess?
     
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    HK's

    I live in a southern border town and let me tell you the border patrol got rid of ther berrettas 96's and replaced them with HK 2000's in 40sw i like them better than the berretta's.
    happy shooting.
     
  22. j2342

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    well its marketing mostly but

    there are some guns that brand new, most of the ones made would not fire 2k rounds without a major problem. dont see hi point and a lot of little pocket guns siging up for any torture tests , but i have shot glocks and if your going with that style of gun. I see no reason to try a XD to save a little bit of money , but what fits my hands and no beaver tail safety and such is often the deciding factors. some want it and Glock makes Glocks , they dont expand or add many features , they got a damn good design right to start with and stuck with it. I would say like S&W did in 1899?, if something works and people love it and buy it, it makes sense. carrying a glock pretty easy , but it prints a bit more then some people like. the slim line maybe as much as they will go to reach out to other customers, i love the gun and love a safety but glock is not going to put one on, but at the range it dont matter and carry you can pack it in a holster that holds it good where no one can hit the trigger. aliminuim precision trigger and those titanium parts and connectors make a very easy to be accurate gun , but it doesn't matter the make if its reliable and you can hit with it, marketing is the last thing you will be thinking about with any gun.:D
     
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    and to remain on topic, I <3 my xd45.
     
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    I don't quite understand the usefullness of the freezing in a block of ice test.

    However, I would be interested to see what would happen if they put the weapon in a 30-50 degree below zero environment and then test fired it.
     
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    I've actually seen the opposite happen. People who don't clean their HKs or Glocks because they want to see how long it can go without a cleaning. I think that the price thing isn't necessarily a benchmark I would use to gauge how people treat their weapons.

    A leather couch works the same whether it's dirty or not. You're talking cosmetics there.:)
     
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