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I question the Vicodin. Unless you are in possession of a valid prescription in your own name in your kit, you could be in violation of several federal laws.
 
Good point about the Vicodin for general dissemination. However, I think I'll put the Rx (from the bottle probably) in my wallet.

Theory being, if I don't have my wallet handy, and I'm in the position to be searched, things probably aren't going my way and I have bigger things to worry about than a class whatever violation of whatever drug bill.

I find that unless one is doing something highly suspicious, or just being a jerk, police don't normally request to search (or have a right to for that matter). I don't plan on getting on anyone's bad side, especially not an LEO, so if they are going through my belongings and I don't have my wallet it sounds like the **** already hit the fan for me.

These kits are all about trade-offs. Vicodin is a huge plus in a serious situation like a broken limb (mine or someone else's) or as anti-diarrheal. I choose to take the (fairly minor IMHO) risk.

Thanks for the input all.
 
Thanks. I did some digging last night too. Seems to be a lot of contradictory data and conclusions out there. Gotta think this one through.
 
Didn't see toilet paper in the list (in case leaves are not available).
Caffeine has a diuretic effect, but the kidneys won't waste water when you need it (according to my physician brother).
Painkillers are personal. I carry aspirin because it works for me, is an NSAID, is heart-healthy, and no side effects for me.
There are lots of threads on THR about survival kits, but I think it is more fun to re-create the list from time-to-time.
 
I have one of the Ritter, AMK pocket kits. It's decent enough, but recently I put together a little larger pouch using a surplus U.S. GI Individual First Aid pouch. I attached a GI issue shoulder strap to it. It works pretty well for those times that I want a little more, and a little better gear than that contained in the Ritter pocket pouch. The GI box would be waterproof, and also provides some protection of the contents. The first aid kit (box & pouch), along with the strap cost $9. Contents were all things I had laying around, and are as follows:

1. 15 ft of 7 strand 550 paracord
2. Fire Starter Aviation Survival Spark-Lite (contains sparker & 8 tinder cubes in small plastic container)
3. Permanent Match (also acts as small flint and steel)
4. Small Coast LED light
5. Silva "Starter" Compass
6. Assorted band-aids
7. Bottle of water purification tablets
8. 2 Small light sticks
9. AMK Fox 40 “Rescue Howler” whistle on paracord lanyard
10. Spyderco Dragonfly lock-back folding knife
11. AMK “Heat Sheet” emergency blanket
12. AMK signal mirror
13. Emergency rain poncho
14. 2 Individually wrapped anti-bacterial wipes
15. Small roll of duck tape
16. 2 hand warmers

It's light and easy to grab and go. I particularly like the idea of having it in my bike bag while riding in the mountains. I may need to refine the contents a little more, but this is what I've settled on so far.
 

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I am a biologist by training, went to Rochester Institute of Tech. for biotechnology so its safe to say I know a bit about the medications you should have.
Caffeine, not a bad thing to have however could be bad for a few situations. If you have food and water, caffeine, up to about 500mg, could give you a big jolt of energy in an emergency situation. However, if you haven't had any thing to eat in a few days, caffeine could lower your blood sugar to the point where you pass out...not a good thing if you are trying to survive a difficult situation.
Vicodin would not be a very good thing to have in your kit. Hydrocodone will only numb your senses, slow your response time and cloud your judgment unless you have a decent tolerance....which you don't...unless your taking it on a regular basis, such as 25mg a day, every day---which is unwise unless you want to become an addict.
Adderall and epinephrine would be the 2 most useful drugs for ultimate extreme situations because both are powerful stimulants. However both of these drugs pose serious risks of their own and retrieving them could be pretty difficult
Standard otc pain killers are a good idea, ibuprofen (advil) is a good one to have. It is a good anti inflammatory which will help injuries heal faster and is pretty good with general aches and pains of being in a survival situation.

I would have adequate supplies of caffeine, at least 7 grams worth...thats about 7days supply. Advil...again 7 grams worth.

As for the Adderall and epinephrine, not sure how much you would need because survival situations very greatly...if you could get some...sure, otherwise its not needed.
 
growing up playing hockey I lived off of super glue. Every cut I got on my face was super glued on the bench :) No scars or infections. Quick healing as well. If you are in a bind super glue is one thing you should carry.
 
Ditch the carpentry string and replace it with some paracord and something like 8-pound test firewire fishing line (something thin but still tensile-strong that can be used for sutures). Carpet/upholstery thread is too thick and coarse to sow up a smaller wound (provided we're talking about the same thing). And as for fishing, there are more effective ways to catch fish to survive than fishing - you'd be better suited using the fishing twine to make a small basket trap for the fish than to for fishing itself. (For the same reason, ditch the sinkers.)

Your sowing needle should have a small eye so it won't rip flesh.

Replace the calling card with 10 $1s and 2 5s. If things are so bad that you can't find somewhere to make change for a buck (and in the case of an emergency, change is more likely to work than a calling card), you're pretty much screwed. And add another $50 in $10 bills - what's $20 going to buy these days?

If youre in a colder area (or where it can get cold), a fleece hat and/or a large scarf or other head covering is important, especially for night. Body heat drops drastically at night, and nights are colder than the day; most deaths by temperature exposure, supposedly, happen when the poor b*start tries to catch some rest.

A pair of wool (or wool/poly) socks! I don't know how many times I've been somewhere and had cold, wet feet and have wished that I've had a pair. At any rate, changing socks every day seems to be one of the best ways to stay reasonably comfortable (even if they've been cycled through a couple times), and it's necessary in inclement weather. Having cracking sores on your feet that are uncomfortable in a bad situation makes that bad situation life-threatening - infection can easily set in.

Add a small bottle of alcohol, something like vodka - in a container like a hotel shampoo bottle. It'll burn, can be used as food, and makes a good antiseptic.

If you have allergies to anything add some benadryl or similar. Bee sting? That'll help.

A small field guide. I take it you know what you're looking at, but in a stressful situation anyone can forget important details like (oh) don't eat the black mushrooms. Even if it's just something compact you've printed out on the computer you thought would be good to remember and put in a ziplock...

Ditch the mini-Bic and get a bigger, normal sized one, or get a second one. As a smoker, let me tell you that the 'normal' sized lighters are a -bit- more durable and last a lot longer; the small ones seem to wear out before they're out of gas.

Can't rememer whcih it is, but either ibuprophen or asprin is a blood thinner, and not something you'd want to take if you're actually hurt - or in a situation where an injury might kill you. Something to consider.

Work gloves are a damn good idea. If you've got office hands (I do), you'd be surprised at how quickly they get cut up doing "real work", or even being outside doing rugged things. I'd strongly suggest getting a pair of soft deer-hide or buffalo gloves - they're soft, supple, thin, but still pretty durable (I've had a pair I've used for 10 years and for yard work, gardening, show shoveling, etc. and while they're worn and stretched they still work.

Superglue! I have a friend who potentially saved his life with the stuff when he was 14; he'd been jabbed with knife making a lacerating wound and he used superglu to seal it up. The scar is about 3"-4" long and a quarter inch wide, and the glue did it's job of keeping things safe and clean.

Road flares! You have no idea how.. just kidding. :p
 
Lately I'm thinking about really streamlining the kit down to altoid tin size and including the real necessary stuff like (I've learned) superglue, etc.


GunGuru, I want to stay the heck away from adderall as I have had addiction problems in the past. Not to that drug, but I don't like strong stimulants (other than caffeine). I don't want to go through the trouble to have it prescribed either. All in all just not something I want to take, ever.

Do you mean ephedrine or epinephrine? I can't see why epinephrine, but ephedrine I will consider.

Like I said though I'm gonna go for quality over quantity. Get some good fire starting stuff, better whistle, better compass, and ditch some of the bulk. Probably only carry a poncho if I'm at risk of being stuck in exposed areas. I live in an urban setting so that's unlikely at the moment, and the damn thing makes the kit too bulky to carry in my pocket.

I'll post a revised list soon, and all the recommendations by brand name etc are VERY welcome - as I said, quality is the goal here.

Thanks everyone.
 
I have a Fenix L1D CE and I'd recommend it over most of the other lights. The reason being is that although lithium batteries last much longer in storage, they're also more expensive and harder to find. Come emergency situation, if you lose your batteries somehow or don't bring them along and your light goes out, you're out of luck. AA's are much more common, though, so it'll be easy to find. Plus, the L1D is bright, small, and only needs one AA. Find one AA battery and have a flashlight that needs two, you're still out of luck. Obviously, I ended up buying the L1D as my everyday carry light/pocket light.
 
A couple of thoughts here:
Gloves are a good idea. I'd actually recommend a pair of the cut-resistant kevlar types. I work with a glass company, and I'm CONSTANTLY picking up shattered glass. I've had the same pair of cheap generic Kevlar gloves for about a year now, and I fully expect to get another year out of them. This is after scooping up shatterd glass 80 or 90 times a day, I've actually stuck myself hard enough to leave bruises, but I've never been cut.

Vicodin may be an issue without the prescription in your name.

One thing I would add if you have the space is one of those little "super-bounce" type rubber balls. The darn things are surprisingly useful if you are McGyver-ish, and you can always pass the time in Steve McQueen style.
 
i'm a resident physician getting ready to start my medical practice and thought i'd share some thoughts.

first though, i have been reading THR for several months and have found it extremely useful. there are a lot of experts whose comments have helped me learn about firearms, law, tactics, etc

secondly, NONE OF THIS CONSTITUTES MEDICAL ADVICE FOR ANY INDIVIDUAL; you should talk to your doctor about any medicines you wish to take to see if there is any reason you should not take a certain medicine.

as far as suturing a wound, i would be leary of doing it by yourself. suturing a dirty wound is dangerous as it is a setup for infection and possibly sepsis. without intensive medical care, sepsis could mean death. better to let a professional clean and suture if at all possible.

caffeine is a diuretic but it is a weak diuretic. the "energy" it gives you is actually more increased concentration. it essentially allows you to be more focused on a task for longer than you would normally. this is how adderal works, but it is much more powerful

vicodin i think is a bad choice as it could decrease your alertness, and cause respiratory depression if you took too much. ibuprofen and tylenol are actually very powerful pain medicines but we all give them short shrift because you can buy them without a prescription

ibuprofen decreases inflammation, so it would impair wound healing if anything. however, it does not usually cause enough of a decrease in wound healing to be a problem.

all NSAIDs (aspirin, ibuprofen, ketorolac, indocin, etc) can cause platelet dysfunction. aspirin is the longest lasting, which is why some people who are at risk of heart attacks or strokes take it every day. it should not cause bleeding problems if you are otherwise healthy, have not taken huge doses, and are not taking other blood thinning medicines.

people use diphenhydramine for itching, bug bites, insomnia, allergies, etc. just remember, it can also be very sedating (thus its use as a sleep aid)

hope this helps
 
On another drug related note, Simply Sleep from Tylenol, which is just the PM in Tylenol PM, is exactly the same drug-wise as Benadryl, but can usually be found a fair bit cheaper.
 
--but, non-medical glues to contain (sometimes) some harsher chemicals that can slow wound healing. QUOTE]

on the super-gluing of wounds, i have closed two wounds with crazy glue. the first i used directly on the wound. ouch. picture using acetone on a cut. even with closing the cut first it still hurt. the second, i used 5-10lb test fishing line as sutures crazy glued on each side of the cut. no pain!!! the sutures needed to be reglued evevy other day or so. the first method would keep the wound much cleaner, but the second allows for better wound observation. both of these methods were applied after cleaning the wound, rinsing with large amounts of clean water, and applying betadine antiseptic.(i think betadine is one of the best out there, although neosporin i consider good as well.) the tough part is getting anything to stick after applying the antiseptic. a good use for an alcohol swab perhaps.

medical super glue i have used on myself as well. there appears to be a great difference in formula's, as this does not have the intense stinging pain of the commercial crazy glues.
 
+1 on the wool socks idea. One thing I would do is encase the kit on plastic bags, but then store the bags inside the socks. Plastic is slightly water permeable and very susceptible to nicks and things. Wool socks would both prevent damage to the plastic and absorb a *lot* of moisture before letting it seep through miniscule holes in the bag.
 
mugs79, I've actually found that diphenhydramine/dimenhydrinate (essentially the same thing--benadryl, motion sickeness tabs, et al.) are packaged a TON of different ways. something to keep in mind...the drug is marketed in a lot of different ways, but they all have the same effects. What I'm getting at here is that you can find bargains if you look around.

thekomet:
caffeine is a diuretic but it is a weak diuretic. the "energy" it gives you is actually more increased concentration.
This is true, but it has VERY tangible performance effects http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?db=pubmed&uid=15328782&cmd=showdetailview&indexed=google

Somewhat small sample size (16), but this seems like a relevant study regarding our purposes here. There are also more affirmative, relevant, interesting studies in the "related studies" sidebar.

I too was pretty awed by the range of positive effects caffeine gives once I opened my eyes to them. We often overlook it...probably the safest performance enhancing drug! It's also banned in most Track & Field events. Congrats on your upcoming practice and your achievements, by the way.
 
By the way, I got the Junkyard Dog 2 in the mail day before yesterday.

This is not necessarily 100% relevant to the thread, but this knife is built like a tank. Thick, sturdy blade, unsurpassed liner lock, and no blade play. G10 scales. Niiice. On the heavy side but balanced, and not heavy for the size.

I give it 5/5, 6/5 for the price!
 
In my experience, Zippo lighters need to be fueled often, even when not in use. If you have one handy, take it along too, but I wouldn't ever trust a zippo to start a fire if it has been left alone for a long period of time.

Peizo ignition lighters are also unreliable. Iv'e had many of those lighters, and they have never lasted long. Keep at least one flint Bic in the kit.
 
In my experience, Zippo lighters need to be fueled often, even when not in use. If you have one handy, take it along too, but I wouldn't ever trust a zippo to start a fire if it has been left alone for a long period of time.

I completely agree. Zippos are beautiful tools, and they are more reliable when it comes to working right evertime you want to whip it out and have fire right away. They are lousy when it comes to depending on them through abuse and heavy use in adverse conditions.
 
Well guys, in case anyone's interested, here is the revised list of my "mini kit." Emphasis is on MINI here, and it's all in an altoids tin...this is a no-fat, no fluff, no frills, no lace kit that is designed for my EDC.

*1 Altoids tin, wrapped with a 1" wide X 24" long strip of duct tape
*1 unlubricated condom
*24 potable aqua tabs (2 to a qt = 12 qts or 3 gals water)
*6 safety pins (one is wrapped with thread)
*carpet/upholstery thread ^
*lg. needle
*lg. folded pc. aluminum foil
*small round mirror
*20' of 28ga. wire in two seperate pieces
*magnesium fireblock with flint stick
*lg. compressed ball of dryer lint, 0000 steel wool, and vaseline
*10 wax-coated strike-anywhere matches (have to scrape the wax off, but they are very waterproof, I tested extensively)
*button compass
*paper/pencil (1st sheet paper says S.T.O.P. on it)
*louder whistle than the previous one
* smallish tube of superglue
*coming soon: 5 200mg caffeine tabs, 5 ibuprofen tabs, 5 doses dimenhydrinate
 
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