- Sep 15, 2006
Mods, close this, please. Apparently I do need to modify my posting style, as it seems to attract a certain type of *ahem* unproductive member.
I missed the post where someone called you "a big doodoo head." Can you give me the post number?Between you and ranger, I'm getting an earful of "You're making personal attacks" along with "You're a big doodoo head",
Some people read what's on the screen, others read what they want to see.Vern, how 'bout his "... getting an earful of "You're making personal attacks"?
I just did a really quick review and saw no such comment, from anyone. Maybe it's a result of us non-thinking "unproductive posters"!
38 said:Some people read what's on the screen, others read what they want to see.
Nothing better to do than drag up a dying thread and spread some more of your special kind of manure, eh Vern?
Everyone needs a hobby, I guess!
Christ almighty, it's like I'm sittin' here playing cards with my brother's kids or somethin'… you nerve-wracking sons-of-#^%^$es
I thought this one had died. Guess it's time for more popcorn.
...Seems to me, all my guns like the middle of the published scales when it comes to making small holes in larger pieces of paper. My eyes (at my age) are my defining limit, and for me making nice groups/circles of about 1.250" radius is about as good as it gets.I would rather not get drawn into the uglier aspects of the discussion, but there is one question I think interesting: why do Americans have such a peculiar desire to get the last bit of velocity from every rifle? It's not as though 100 feet per second make any meaningful difference in trajectory or terminal impact!
38 special, by your reasoning as long as a load falls under or at the published velocity then it is a safe load. I am going to disagree. There are variables such as powder lot variances, slight bullet weight differences, slight cartridge volume differences, etc. It would be very easy for someone shooting for the published velocity to get a new load of powder that is a little over pressure during its burn, a bullet that weights a grain more than it should, etc, and end up with an over pressure round. Hence the reason that you need to be able to recognize over pressure signs.
If your new lot of powder is creating higher pressure than your previous lot, it will show up on the chronograph. "Slight" bullet weight differences -- as in a grain or so -- aren't going to make a significant pressure difference. Nor are slight case volume differences. Yes, using a case with significantly decreased volume will increase pressures, but again, it will show up your chronograph.
The bottom line remains that if you load up to published maximum velocities -- assuming you are using the same barrel length as the publisher -- it is very unlikely that you will exceed safe pressures.
Moreover, I have never claimed that there is no need to understand pressure signs. My claim is that grossly exceeding published loads in favor of home-grown load development based upon reading pressure signs is a dangerous mistake, because none of the traditional pressure signs are reliable. If you see one, you should stop and figure out why -- but the presence of pressure signs does not automatically mean excessive pressure, and the lack of them does not automatically equate to a safe load.