The UK is turning to vigilantes to help with crime

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Things must be getting desperate in the UK if suddenly they are encouraging “vigilante” justice. Unarmed of course, LOL, because we wouldn’t want criminals to come to any harm.

"Enforcing the law, securing justice, is not just a matter for 'them' the courts, the prisons, the probation service, police - but for all of us. "

Supposedly they are a “safe” country, yet I cannot imagine the US government doing a similar push.

The law protecting people who intervene in criminal situations is to be urgently reviewed, Justice Secretary Jack Straw will announce.
He will say self-defence law works "much better than most people think, but not as well as it could or should".
Mr Straw wants to reassure victims or witnesses in England and Wales that they can use reasonable force to stop and detain offenders.
Both he and the home secretary are due to address the Labour Party conference.
Later, the Bournemouth gathering will draw to a close with the traditional send-off delivered by deputy leader Harriet Harman.
'Good citizens'
In his speech on the final day of the conference, Mr Straw will say: "I know from personal experience that you have all of a millisecond to make the judgment about whether to intervene. "In such a situation, the law on self-defence works much better than most people think, but not as well as it could or should.
"The justice system must not only work on the side of people who do the right thing as good citizens but also be seen to work on their side."
Mr Straw has intervened four times to stop criminals, including three times when he managed to detain the offender.
In 1980 he overheard a burglar breaking into a members club in his Blackburn constituency, chased them down the street and detained them until police arrived.
In the mid 1980s at Oval Tube station in south London he came across an 11-year-old boy who had just been robbed by a man and detained the offender.
At the same tube station in the early 1990s he chased a man who had attacked a woman, but did not catch him.
Then in 1996 he chased a man who had robbed a member of the public and detained the suspect until police arrived.
'No recklessness'
Mr Straw wants people to be aware the Criminal Law Act 1967 allows them to use reasonable force to apprehend suspects, but was not advocating recklessness, his spokesman said.
The justice secretary will state: "Enforcing the law, securing justice, is not just a matter for 'them' the courts, the prisons, the probation service, police - but for all of us.
"How each of us react if we encounter a burglar or street robber has to be a matter of individual discretion - there is a critical line between responsibility and recklessness."
The Association of Chief Police Officers, the Crown Prosecution Service, judges and other government ministers are expected to be consulted during the review.
Home Secretary Jacqui Smith's speech will cover, among other issues, Labour's commitment to give local people more information about the performance of local police, and tougher checks on people travelling to the UK.
 
Actualy in America for hundreds of years the concept of "police" did not exist. Police as they function today would have been considerd a "standing army" for use against the people, little different than the king's men.
People elected a sheriff, and he could deputize others if necessary to help him out. However he was the full time law enforcement, and everyone else was law enforcment sometimes.
The sheriff was a personal member of the community and not a impersonal force. A very different approach to law enforcement than today.
Until radios existed dispatching officers in the field was not even possible. So neighborhoods were only as safe as the citizens living in them decided they would be. So every citizen was the police, and would come to the aid of others when necessary.

A vigilante is not someone who upholds the law, or even what much of society has started to feel is the sole job of the police. Average citizens for most of our history did everything, and were and still are in many places equal with police in thier legal right to intervene, detain, and arrest (perhaps not in practice anymore, but under the law they are). A vigilante was someone that dished out thier own form of justice without letting the courts give due process.
A lot of people use the term now for someone "playing cop", or being a "hero" but that is wrong. Unless they are punishing a suspect or deciding on thier punishment without giving them due process it is not proper to call them a vigilante.
 
That was an interesting post.

I think the new PM of Britain may be going in the right direction. Who knows...in a few years most of their draconian gun laws may be off the books. I reckon by this time, most Brits (other then the elitist idiots) have realized those laws do not work.

His stance on immigration is quite impressive too.
 
Zoog,

I agree, which is why I put "Vigilante" in quotes. .gov's and/or .news definition of vigilante nowdays, however, often means anyone who lifts a finger to prevent crime or capture a criminal.
 
The public will only take so much and when the law/justice system is broken, nonexistant or ineffective, folks take things into their own hands. Read history.
 
The public will only take so much and when the law/justice system is broken, nonexistant or ineffective, folks take things into their own hands. Read history.
no kidding.....how many times does this one have to be relearned.....(the hard way)..
 
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