Need help with UK vs US crime figures

[C-grunt]

Hey guys Im in a discussion on a different forum about murder rates between the US and the UK. He has a figure of UK 1.1 per 100k and US at almost 6 per 100k. I remember seeing on here a completely different scale where UK is actually higher. Short searching I have discovered that the UK dosnt count crimes against people under 16 and murder charges dropped to manslaughter in court. Need help. Gotta go to work will be back around 5 am.

Thanks as always.
Chase

 

[Feud]

Keep in mind, the higher murder rate in the U.S. is primarily due to a weakened Dollar being compared to the stronger Euro, and so you'll need to do a conversion based on the current exchange.

 

[cuervo]

This should provide some information:
http://www.gunfacts.info/pdfs/gun-facts/5.0/GunFacts5-0-screen.pdf

It does mention that when a victim is under 16, some crimes are not reported.

I think that the UK has always had a lower murder rate than the US, but the overall violent crime rate is higher.

 

[physics]

Not quite what you're looking for, but here is some stuff about British violent crime.

http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/CivitasReviewJun07.pdf

This brief report reveals that official government reports on crime using the British Crime Survey, the major measure of crime in England and Wales, understate the amount of crime experienced by some three million or around three in every ten crimes. Crimes against the person were underestimated most, and by more than half in 2005-6. The reason is that crime against those most victimised is much more extensive than official publications allow. The minimisation and distortion of crime victimisation flows from a long-practiced but misleading convention that no victim suffers more than five similar crimes at the hands of the same offender over the course of a year.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article265178.ece

A TERRIFYING knife crime now takes place on the streets of Britain every EIGHT MINUTES, chilling figures revealed yesterday.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article2328368.ece

THE government was accused yesterday of covering up the full extent of the gun crime epidemic sweeping Britain, after official figures showed that gun-related killings and injuries had risen more than fourfold since 1998.

 

[protolith]

Murders per 100k people is an example of lying with statistics. You can easily play that game if you turn it around and compare murders per firearm or murders per handgun.

The last time I worked up the numbers, I think it was a handgun in the UK is 5 times more likely to be used to commit a violent crime than a handgun in the US.

EDIT: Found a link to where I worked this up in the past:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=4447264#post4447264

 

[Happiness Is A Warm Gun]

I think that the UK has always had a lower murder rate than the US, but the overall violent crime rate is higher.

Yup however even then numbers aren't exactly apples to apples. One issue is the way UK records certain homicides. In US a homicide is official once the police rule a death a homicide. In UK a homicide is official when there is a conviction or ruled justified by police. So if a criminal is not caught then it doesn't get added to the stats.

The That being said the US likely does have a higher murder rate but it is hard to get a good comparison between countries.

Murder rate is lower but violent crime in every category is higher (rapes, armed robberies, assaults, home invasions).

More telling is the fact that violent crime rate has FALLEN in US but RISEN in UK since their handgun ban.

Suicide rate w/ GUN is higher in US but overall suicide rate is higher in UK.
Brady Campaign will routinely use the firearm ONLY numbers. Sometimes they will compare suicides w/ handguns in US to other countries instead of total suicides. They also often include suicides in the "number of people murdered".

As someone once said "there are lies, damn lies, and statistics".