Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
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mnriverrat, where'd you get your chamber insert? Yours is the closest existing gun I've seen to my ideal.
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Vern Humphrey
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Why do we assume we will be moving in a survival situation?
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Listen! And understand! That terminator is out there. It can't be bargained with! It can't be reasoned with! It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead!
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Past 100 yards, probably not. With that range, you could take big game with a large bore air rifle.
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Vern Humphrey
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Ah, the Terminator. I thought he was working as a greeter for Wal Mart these days.
I would have to say from a "Survivalist" SHTF perspective, I think I would have to go with the shotgun or the o/u option which was not listed as an actual option, but some of you were thinking outside the box which will probably keep you alive a lot longer than what type of gun you are carrying. Lot's of good advice here and some good perspectives.
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mnrivrat gets bonus points for actually having the weapon he recommends. Good foresight and good execution. I'd take that and be thrilled. Nice job, Rat.
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Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
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Absolutely. I want to get some chamber inserts, but I can't seem to find them actually for sale anywhere anymore, for .223 to .22lr, and .223 to .22mag.
Would also like to have a smith cut my Baikal SPR 94 down to 20" from 24". But then again, that's money I could be putting toward the dream drilling, so maybe not.
I purchased mine (chamber adapter) from MCA Sports in Alaska. mcace.com I think it is.
A couple years ago they were like $20 including shipping for the .223 to .22RF adaptor and perhaps $4 or $5 more for the adator in stainless.
I have both, but the stainless needs some tuning to work.
I bought the Savage 24V from a High Road member - the barrels were messed up on the ends. I Silver soldered a muzzle break from a FAL onto the top barrel and had a friend turn me a section to silver solder on for the 20ga. to lengthen it, and install the internal threads for the screw in choke. After tuning the barrels to same POI I silver soldered them together.
Taking the .222 Rem chamber out to .223 Rem/5.56 NATO for better ammo availability. The barrels are approx 19 inches long for the 20ga. and 17 inches for the .223 .
ThomasT
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You know the best survival gun just might be two guns. A Ruger 22/22mag revolver and a shotgun in your favorite guage. And if thats the deal then I have it already.
ojibweindian
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Center fire rifle for defense and big game. Traps/snares for rabbit, squirrel, etc.
I set the gun up to shoot to POI/POA at between 25 and 30 yards. A distance I felt would be appropriate for forage using the shotgun birdshot and the .22RF as primary loadings. I tweaked each barrel to accomlish having them shoot to the same realitive POI using the same POA. Something the Savage Model 24 is not all that good at doing in its stock version at times.
At this distance the .223 , and the .22RF rounds are within 1 inch max. spread of each others POI and pattern into a group of about that size or smaller. In other words, they are very close to each other on this gun. Also the 20ga. slug is within 1&1/2 inches of the POI at this distance and the birdshot patterns well at the center ,at that distance. While not a target gun , this provides all around good enough accuracy IMO.
I have to shoot the .223 for longer range accuracy yet to know how far out I can hold my POA with that round. It is the longer range choice if it holds up over the distance - I am hoping it will hit to POA within 3 inchs up around a hundred yards - I have a good feeling that it may meet that .I have not gotten a chance to try it yet, but no matter realy, as it would only be icing on the cake not to have to hold to a little different POA with the .223 out to that yardage.
wickedsprint
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Rimfire rifle, it will eventually kill anything worth eating or killing and one can store thousands of rounds on them in a few pockets.
engravertom
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Muzzle loader wasn't a choice? Anyway, shotgun is the closest choice anyway, since my Brown Bess would be my choice for an absolutely long term survival situation.
I like the advice about traps and deadfalls for small game. No noise. That could be important.
A slingshot and a high powered rifle? Shotgun and a Bow?
based on what I have now, my one gun choice for the scenario mentioned would be my Remington 341-P, in 22lr, with as much ammo as i could carry, including some hyper velocity stuff, and some CBs for "quiet" shooting. If the mag system breaks down, it can still work as a single shot. I think a repeater in 22lr gives slightly more ability in the self defense department, over a single shot.
take care,
Tom
I like the advice about traps and deadfalls for small game. No noise. That could be important.
A slingshot and a high powered rifle? Shotgun and a Bow?
based on what I have now, my one gun choice for the scenario mentioned would be my Remington 341-P, in 22lr, with as much ammo as i could carry, including some hyper velocity stuff, and some CBs for "quiet" shooting. If the mag system breaks down, it can still work as a single shot. I think a repeater in 22lr gives slightly more ability in the self defense department, over a single shot.
take care,
Tom
Jamie C.
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I'm thinking the first order of business would be for me to put bullets in whoever the morons are that are planning on kidnapping me and stranding me in Alaska.... 
And that being the case, any good "assault" rifle should do the job... an AR, AK, etc.
For most "normal" survival situations though, I'd think a good .22 rifle or pistol, along with a sturdy knife, should be more than adequate - provided you have the necessary skills to make the most of them.
J.C.
BTW... the OP says Alaska, but where and when in Alaska? Summer? Winter? It will probably make a difference. ( Why carry a bazooka if all the bears are hibernating? )
And that being the case, any good "assault" rifle should do the job... an AR, AK, etc.
For most "normal" survival situations though, I'd think a good .22 rifle or pistol, along with a sturdy knife, should be more than adequate - provided you have the necessary skills to make the most of them.
J.C.
BTW... the OP says Alaska, but where and when in Alaska? Summer? Winter? It will probably make a difference. ( Why carry a bazooka if all the bears are hibernating? )
rcmodel
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You'd probably need a case of Deet bug spray much worse then a bear rifle anyway!
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Jamie C.
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Can I have a satellite phone too?
SharpsDressedMan
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Anyone ever read "Survival Guns" by Mel Tappan? Out of print for many years, and dated due to many nice guns coming along since then, BUT... a fantastic reference, and covers way more than we can put on this board. A person only need choose what fits in their budget, or what they plan to carry, on person, in vehicle, boat, etc.
Fun ideas and some I have not considered.
One idea I have not seen here is a 30-30 lever action. While a short 22lr bolt action rilfe might be my first choice for a long pack trip in the wilderness. It can kill a deer, though only at very short range with a very good shot. It does well on upland game on the ground or in a tree (and a 22 mag is a nice idea that I might have to try!), but the one that will do EVERYTHING is my Marlin 30-30.
A good 30-30 will kill rabbits and grouse, deer and large predators and the lever action is the origianl assault rifle, just ask John Buford. I lived in L.A. during the riots where my neighbors at most had a pistol or two. When they found out I had a rifle they asked me to defend the neighborhood against predators from my upstairs, corner appartment. And, no, I didn't need to shoot it. It is also less threatening to the aggressive-passive hoplophobes that rule in political circles in so many places. Ammo is available anywhere though I prefer to load my own.
Hmm, now that I've declared for the 30-30 I wonder, should I have picked the SAKO 308 instead?
One idea I have not seen here is a 30-30 lever action. While a short 22lr bolt action rilfe might be my first choice for a long pack trip in the wilderness. It can kill a deer, though only at very short range with a very good shot. It does well on upland game on the ground or in a tree (and a 22 mag is a nice idea that I might have to try!), but the one that will do EVERYTHING is my Marlin 30-30.
A good 30-30 will kill rabbits and grouse, deer and large predators and the lever action is the origianl assault rifle, just ask John Buford. I lived in L.A. during the riots where my neighbors at most had a pistol or two. When they found out I had a rifle they asked me to defend the neighborhood against predators from my upstairs, corner appartment. And, no, I didn't need to shoot it. It is also less threatening to the aggressive-passive hoplophobes that rule in political circles in so many places. Ammo is available anywhere though I prefer to load my own.
Hmm, now that I've declared for the 30-30 I wonder, should I have picked the SAKO 308 instead?
Survival, I'm going AK. Most durable gun on the planet. Really small game can be had with snares and other sorts of traps. To save my butt I'll tell any bear to look at my muzzle full auto. The shotgun is close, but vulnerable to not cycle shots with Alaskan temperatures. Better have some thin oil in that gun because NIB comes with thicker lubricants and will lock up eventually in low temperatures guaranteed. I’m surprised at the number of guys that go with the 22. Any type of bear will not only swallow you, but your little p-shooter as well.
Vern Humphrey
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Once again, I ask "How do we wind up stranded in the woods?"
I realize that's the standard plot for made-for-TV movies, but in the real world, we are more likely to be stranded at home or work without power and the roads blocked by a hurricane, tornado, earthquake or flood.
Last year, from February 5th to January 27th of this year, my wife and I spent a total of 31 days without power -- tornado, blizzard, 100-year flood, remnants of Hurricane Ike and the Mother of All Ice Storms. For a fair part of that time the roads were blocked. Survival for us consisted of staying warm, getting enough to eat, and cutting our way through downed trees. Then we helped our neighbors.
I realize that's the standard plot for made-for-TV movies, but in the real world, we are more likely to be stranded at home or work without power and the roads blocked by a hurricane, tornado, earthquake or flood.
Last year, from February 5th to January 27th of this year, my wife and I spent a total of 31 days without power -- tornado, blizzard, 100-year flood, remnants of Hurricane Ike and the Mother of All Ice Storms. For a fair part of that time the roads were blocked. Survival for us consisted of staying warm, getting enough to eat, and cutting our way through downed trees. Then we helped our neighbors.
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