The versatile lever action.

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I wanted to do this since more folks are posting about wanting a lever gun. It just warms the hackles of my heart that folks are still considering owning one of these fine rifles. It appears that the lever gun is still appealing to folks even in this modern day and age of tactical this and tactical that. I’ve been using lever guns since 2003 and find they are still a valid option even today. They just may even be the most versatile platform going for the average person that needs one rifle to fill multiple roles even today.

When most people look at one or pick one up it’s hard not to take a trip back in time. I usually think of woolen clad hunters of the deep north still hunting or tracking deer in the thick snowy woods. While others might think of lawman and out laws out on the dusty plains of the west somewhere. Few guns today evoke such visions from people like lever guns do. They are simple, rugged and reliable. They had to be when you stop to think about it. Lever guns were used everywhere across this great land of ours from putting meat on the table to settling the west and protecting miners claims in the frigid north. They are aesthetically pleasing to the eye with their flowing lines, blued steel and walnut stocks.

The lever gun is slim and trim which makes for great handling characteristics. It is not overly heavy and can be carried over hill and dale all day while not wearing you out in the process. In traditional calibers such as the popular 30-30 it has all the power necessary to take deer sized game out to 200 yards. You don’t get beat into last week every time you pull the trigger either unless your using nuclear level loads in your 45-70,.444 Marlin or .450 Marlin that is. Folks can fantasize about those long range shots all they want in the hunting fields. I know I used to, however the ugly truth is the average range that most game (espcially the number one hunted game animal in this country the white tail deer) taken in this country just so happens to be about 150 yards. This is easily well with in the capabilities of the 30-30 cartridge. We also know that the 30-30 is easily capable of cleanly harvesting elk and moose as well, it has been done and is still being done today.

While the 30-30 may not be the most appropriate tool for the larger species it can handle them in a pinch. On top of that in the case of the most popular chambering by far the 30-30, ammo is everywhere and affordable. These same traits lend its’ self well if the lever gun had to be used in a home defense role.
Yes it is true that you probably don’t want to use full power hunting ammo in the event that you need to use your 30-30 for home defense. The individual can mitigate this issue by using Remington 125gr managed recoil ammo or possibly the 125gr Sierra HP as loaded by Federal. In the case of pistol firing carbines just get some proven self defense rounds for house duty. This kind of versatility is hard to match by any other rifle platform when you put aside your bias and actually think about it. The lever gun in traditional calibers at least allows the user to go from HD to taking moose pretty darn versatile I think.

Since I’ve mentioned the 30-30 lets take a look at it for a moment since it is by far the most popular lever gun cartridge going. There is not really much to talk about (because it’s been covered in depth many many times before) but a lot of folks like to look at it as a ballistic dud. While it is not as flat shooting as a .300 Magnum it is better than most would suspect. A lot of people somehow think that after 100 yards it falls back to the earth like the proverbial brick. I sight my 30-30 in using 150gr Federal Fusion ammo so it hits 2.5” high at 100 yards. This gives me a 160 yard zero and allows me to hold dead on out to 200 yards, at 200 yards the bullet only drops about 2-3 inches. The 30-30 must be doing something right as it continues to rank in the top 10 cartridges sold annually possibly even in the top 5. A lot of cartridges have come and gone that are arguably better than the 30-30, yet the 30-30 keeps chugging along while these better mouse traps slip off into cartridge oblivion. The 30-30 continues to get better with age as new technologies are developed. Of course the biggest boost it received is when Hornady released they’re LeverEvolution line of ammunition. This ammo elevated the 30-30 into a real honest to goodness 300 yard deer cartridge. Hornady is still at it with the brand new MonoFlex line that will be available sometime next year.

People claim that lever action rifles are inaccurate. While they are not bench rest guns but hunting rifles instead they can be very accurate. On average most will place 3 shots into a 1.5” group at 100 yards this is plenty accurate for the ranges most game is harvested. Some will and can consistently place 3 shots into 1” at 100 yards, how’s that for inaccurate? Another advantage of the lever action is the price point that they can be purchased for. It is not hard to find a nice used Marlin or Winchester lever gun for around $250 that was well cared for. Or one can buy a new one which will still be cheaper than many other rifles on the market today.

Since I have been hunting with the 30-30 and the .44 magnum in lever actions I have yet to feel that I was ill equipped with either. However I can’t say the same when I was hunting with my bolt gun. Most of the deer that I used both of these cartridges on have been inside 100 yards. Unlike larger more powerful rounds neither of these cartridges ruin excess meat at these distances, same for the other traditional cartridges as well. I shot one deer at 140 yards with my 30-30 and it required only one round from my trusted 336A. The 150gr Federal Fusion bullet landed right on the crosshairs obliterating the heart while penetrating out the far side to parts unknown. Is the lever action rifle for everyone? No it is not and it does have its’ disadvantages too. Things such as limited range when compared to more modern rifles and cartridges as well as ammo capacity if such a thing matters to you.

However if one looks at everything as a whole I think most would be surprised just how versatile and useful lever guns are.
 
i really really must disagree on so many grounds.

but the most important is, im glad you found your gun! and long may it live!

no problems at all with a lever action. its not for me, obviously it is for you....
and thats cool, cuz its *almost* j/k as important as a bolt action rifle lol

keep it up!

*starts calculating*
-G
 
Great post! As much as some folks will never admit, a good .30-30 levergun will handle 99% of the needs of 99% of shooters and hunters. It hammers deer flat out to 200yds and I have never taken a shot over 120yds anyway. Most are much closer and a good peep sight or low powered variable are all that's needed. Overweight boltguns in .300WonderMag with oversized scopes need not apply.
 
Based on my handle, I think it is plain to see how feel about the topic. I own 6 levers; win, Marlin, and Browning. In .357, .44, 30-30, .307 WIN, and 300 WSM. I have other types of rifles, but the levers are always the "go to" gun. Great post 336A, even if you are a Marlin Guy. :neener: KIDDING, KIDDING!
 
I suppose I'll blaspheme the thread by posting that my next .270 will be a stainless/synthetic BLR with a good scope.

I need something for wet weather.
 
I am really partial to lever guns of all kinds. My fav is the Winney and Hartfords Take down .38/.357 mags. I have three of the Winneys and now a Hartford and really enjoy them. I have never owned or shot a Marlin but would like to. I have one rerally special one of a kind Winney in 30-30 that is a shooter not a museum piece. In trying to trade it, someone told me it is too purrdy to go hunting with LOL. I also have one Winney in .22lr.

I just this year in March received my Take Down Mares Leg.... I believe it is a Rossi in orig state before it is transformed into a Mares Leg. . It is also in .38/.357 mag.

My Levers are my go to guns for just about everything. They handle and fit me well
 
CoRoMo: A BLR is not blasphemous... just a potential improvement to a time honored action design that permits a wider range of calibers! My BLR in 300 WSM wears a Leu 4-12x40. Still a lever, dude.
 
I was surprised at how much I like a lever action. I usually take it to the range each time I go. If I ever had to go to one rifle, it would be the 30-30.

Jeff Cooper talked a lot about a scout rifle. His prototype was a bolt action. However, in his writings, he talked often about the virtues of a lever action as nearly ideal for this scout concept as well.
 
i really really must disagree on so many grounds.

Ghosty1, would you mind clarifying your disagreements with 336a's post? I, for one, found absolutely nothing that was incorrect in his post. His assessment is accurate and well defined. The lever gun is a long standing member of our gun family and holds a well deserved respect among most all of the hunting community. I own several (I am blasphemous as all mine are now scoped because I can't see with irons anymore) Marlins and love each and every one. My favorite (pre 64 Marlin 30/30) recently found a home in my sons hands for which he begged incessantly for MANY years. Out of the MANY rifles he could have chosen from in my collection, that is the one he begged for. I have some rifles that cost more than a lot of peoples first car! He had his choice of ANY rifle in my collection yet he chose THAT one. Speaks for itself there.

Now granted there are exceptions to the rule as with anything, there are places that the venerable old girl just would not cut the mustard such as many places in Montana, Wyoming, and the Dakotas that you would be hard pressed to get a shot at a mule deer or elk under 300 yards. In those cases you need to have a little more "junk in the trunk" than the old girl can give. But in 80%+ of situations, they are a very functional and viable tool for which MANY have been happily rewarded.
 
336A: I really must comment; of the several Marlin 336s, 444s and 1894s, Winchester 94s, Browning BLR 81, Savage 99 from 1936 in 30-30. I must say that my favorite is my Marlin 336A from 1949 in 32 Winchester Special complete with a Weaver K2.5 in Buehler mounts that were all sold together in 1949. I like them all, the custom W94 I had built in 38-55 is nice and the old Savage is a fine piece, the BLR is modern and in a modern chambering, but the 336A is the best of them all. They will all do the job on anything in North America if I do my part.
 
With so many lever & 30-30 fans here, someone should jump on the one I have for sale here. I appologize for the shameless plug, but couldn't resist.
 
MMCSRET, I wish I had a real 336A. By that I mean one like you descibe with the 24" barrel and half mag tube. Mine is of more recent vintage (2003) and sports a 20" barrel. The whole reason that I bought this model over the others is I like the look of the rifle with the fore end cap better. IMHO I think it gives the rifle a bit more pinache.
 
The 1949 336A with the scope and mount combination is a great hunting rifle. I'm 65 and wear tri-focals, but that rifle will shoot 3 shot cloverleafs time after time @ 100 meters. As you stated in the opening and others agreed 200 meter deer are easily in reason. I've seen a lot of elk taken with 30-30 and 32 W.S., I know of one man that has used a Marlin 93 from about 1913 or so to take more elk and black bear than anyone around these parts can ever account for. It is meat for the table, no foolish shots taken, positive shots only. The lever guns have been doing it and they will continue. Antelope with a 30-30, of course!!!!!!!
 
Great post, 336A. Was nice to read.

Good to read the discussion here, too.

Got nothing to add right now, but may later.
 
Thanks for the nice write up :) I own a few and since I like to have my bases covered, I have three in larger calibers and one in 22. I have a Savage 99 in 308 with scope for those that want to shoot higher powered pointy bullets :) A Marlin 336 in 30-30 with a scope that is pretty much dedicated to LeverEvolution :) And a Winchester M94 in 30-30 with iron sights dedicated to traditional flat nosed bullets. Between the three, ain't too much I can't do with a lever.

I used to have a Savage M45 Super-Sporter bolt with peeps in 30-30, but it's up for sale (too many guns & too many bolts). The cool thing about it was it would shoot pointy 30-30's all day long, BEFORE Hornady came out with LE. It would a push a Remington Accelerator at over 3K out of a 30-30 rifle and that was fun. Surprised some guys that did not expect me to reach out that far, since they KNEW all I had was an old 30-30 rifle :)

The .22 is a Sears "hammerless" - sort of like the Win 88 scaled down (which was also on my list, but the Savage is fun enough so I'll skip the 88). It's a fun little toy to plink with and helps keep your lever skills up w/o wasting big bore ammo :)
 
I haven't dipped into centerfire levers yet, but the first gun i really shot was a Henry H001. I've had it for years now and I wouldn't trust any other .22 more than i'd trust it. It's a beautiful tack-driver and I wouldn't give it up for the world.
 
Interesting, but true evaluation.

I've just got 5 leveractions. Four Marlins in .30/30, .35Rem, .45/70 and .338ME, as well as a Win. M94 Legacy 24"bbl w/curved buttstock/lever in .45 Colt. Thinking about adding a BLR in .358wcf if I can find an early one with steel reciever.

The .35 and .338ME wear scopes, the other three have reciever sights.

Like the original poster, I too am a fan of the .30/30 cartridge. I sight mine in 3" high at 100yds (like most everything else) and it's "point and click" to as far as I'm comfortable shooting without a scope (200yds). Even the "old" .35Rem is only 4"down at 200yds with a 3" high zero at 100yds. I took a small 8pt buck in '07 with it at measured 210yds. I missed the first shot as I put the cross hairs on the top of his back and shot over him! Second shot I held mid chest and took out his heart. So much for the "arcing" rainbow trajectory of the 200gr RN bullet!

I've got bolt actions, semi-auto's, break-actions; but no pump rifles! at this time, in .22lr to .45/70 including a Weatherby and Remington Ultra Mag. But when I head to the "woods" for venison, I'm usually taking one of the L/A's. Lately the .338ME. It's barked once, and the proof is in the freezer ! Its 3" high at 100yds, zero at 200yds and 10" low at 300yds. Two days ago I lased the longest distance I could shoot down a gas-line ROW and it said 287yds to the property gate. A large quartz rock 12"x12" that used to hold the gate open is now "sand" after meeting with a 200gr FTX. First shot! Held on top of the rock and "guessed" windage at 4" left due to quartering 10-15mph wind.

They still work; very, very well !
 
Take them 30-30s to the wide open pasture land sand hill of Nebraska mule deer or yote hunting . Then tell the folks how great the 336s and 94 s are.
 
Take them 30-30s to the wide open pasture land sand hill of Nebraska mule deer or yote hunting . Then tell the folks how great the 336s and 94 s are.

I don't think 336A is advocating the lever-action as the best everywhere. For the more open western areas, a bolt action would be king.

BUT, drag your 26" barreled, heavy stocked, scoped .300-magnum around the New Englang brush country for a few days and the virtues of a short .30-30 become quite apparent. I've been asked a few times why I like my rifles so short (20" TC Encore muzzleloader, 18.5" Marlin 336BL .30-30, 20" Marlin 1894 in .44 Magnum) and my only reply is "they don't get stuck on stuff". While some worry about needing the flatter trajectory of a spitzer bullet "in case they seem one way off", I can say I've never been more than 50 yards from any deer I've ever spotted in these woods. And moose? I've been in the too-close for comfort range when running in to them! :eek:

Bravo 336A!

w-w, who doesn't even own a bolt action at the moment.
 
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