The word from Sig on 1911 recoil springs

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Hey folks,

Just a little background info.

I wanted to do a simple upgrade on my new Sig 1911 XO (5" model). I bought a Wolff 16 lb. spring and a Wilson stainless steel GI guide rod. I needed a new guide rod because Sig uses a flat wire recoil spring with a smaller inside diameter. Someone posted that Sig uses 18 lb. springs as standard, to which someone replied that was a good way to assure a 1911 would work properly, to me implying Sig 1911s may not be made well.

I called Sig today. They confirmed that 5" 1911 XO models do indeed get shipped with 18 lb. springs.

I asked why, and his answer was short and to the point, "because that's how we build our pistols".

Not the friendliest customer service. He could have been a little more diplomatic and said something on the order of, "well, our guns are so tight that our experience has been that they are more reliable out of the box with an 18 lb. spring", which I'm hoping may be one reason.

So, I'm off to the reloading room to finish my pile of 45acp ammo for my big trip to the cabin up north to do some serious shooting. Trust me, I will be posting results from using both factory spring and guide and my mods with a wide variety of ammo and magazines. I expect to go through about 500 rounds in 4 days at the cabin. I'll report back after October 10th.
 
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My SiGARMS GSR Revolution STX has had a 16lb ISMI recoil spring since at least 2007...not one issue...full sized 1911 Pattern pistols tend to use 16 lb springs...SiG may have changed theirs but it'll still work with the weight everyone uses and SiG has nOt engineered anything to change that in their pistol...

Bill
 
Not the friendliest customer service. He could have been a little more diplomatic and said something on the order of, "well, our guns are so tight that our experience has been that they are more reliable out of the box with an 18 lb. spring", which I'm hoping may be one reason.

Never held a 1911 tighter than a Baer. Mine, and several more I'm familiar with run with 14 pounders. I guess an 18 pounder could mask minor fitting problems.
 
Makes sense. I have heard people say that it takes upwards of 500 rounds to break in a 1911. I would assume minor fitting problems would be smoothed out after that. It is a very smooth action in my inexperienced 1911 opinion, possibly even smoother than my Kimber. We'll see. It will be interesting.
 
I have heard people say that it takes upwards of 500 rounds to break in a 1911. I would assume minor fitting problems would be smoothed out after that.

A "break-in" should not be required to finish what the manufacturer should have done.
 
You asked, they answered, I don't see a problem with that.

No, they didn't.

"because that's how we build our pistols"

This is not an answer.....this is stating the obvious. It's like asking the weather man why it rained today. He could say "because is did", or he could be a little more specific and tell you why it did. No?
 
If it runs good on the 18# spring, thats what I'd run. If you shoot hotter loads, it will help keep your brass a little closer(if you reload)
 
This is not an answer.....this is stating the obvious. It's like asking the weather man why it rained today. He could say "because is did", or he could be a little more specific and tell you why it did. No?
Most likely the guy on the phone was:

1. Irritated at the random questioning about something irrelevant to the gun's workmanship and function.

2. Not an engineer and didn't know or care why the company chose the springs that they did. His job is to answer phones and provide information about a very finite number of topics, mostly related to returns and basic information, not to educate you about why they picked a certain weight for the springs.
 
How long has Sig been in business? I don't know. What I do know is that certain concerns are and have been vetted well, though more and more spit out plastico and what all. Asking them why they did what they do is almost an insult.
 
Though it had nothing to do with a 1911, that kind of mirrors my experience with Sig CS. They will take care of you and solve any problems, but you won't feel any love from them. Not unusual from gun mfg's generally, IME.
 
Most likely the guy on the phone was:

1. Irritated at the random questioning about something irrelevant to the gun's workmanship and function.

2. Not an engineer and didn't know or care why the company chose the springs that they did. His job is to answer phones and provide information about a very finite number of topics, mostly related to returns and basic information, not to educate you about why they picked a certain weight for the springs.
Doesn't quite excuse the reply though. Should've escalated it to someone who could provide a technical answer.
 
My question is this...

If the gun works with whatever spring is in it, why do you care?
 
Doesn't quite excuse the reply though. Should've escalated it to someone who could provide a technical answer.

Not going to happen. A lot of gun manufacturers, and manufacturers in general, are worried enough about product liability issues that they don't talk about engineering issues with the public, period. "The product is what it is. If you change something about it, it's on you. If it needs to be changed, we'll issue a recall." Common among gun companies, and common among other mass-manufacturers as well.
 
You asked, they answered, I don't see a problem with that.

Well, I thought it was a blunt response with not logic behind it, except that's how they do it.

Why did you start this thread?

Geez, you guys are brutal. Doesn't anyone ever recall seeing a thread about how or why they want to know more about something they bought, like how it works and how to customize it, let's say, hmmm, maybe for custom light loads or something.

Asking them why they did what they do is almost an insult.

No it's not. It's educational!

If the gun works with whatever spring is in it, why do you care?

To learn more about 1911s and they function, how to customize them. I've never been one to just put gas in the car and drive it, I like to know how things work and how to trouble shoot it or fix it.

So much for "the high road".
 
If I may...

Most of the time, when you call the toll-free number, the guy on the other end of the phone doesn't have a clue how to answer your question...which is probably why you got the answer you got.

Generally, the reason for overspringing the pistol means they're not all that confident in the feed/return to battery reliability for one reason or another. A heavy spring adds a little insurance for that function. If yours will run with less spring, it won't hurt a thing to use a lighter one, and the felt recoil will be a little less sharp and snappy.

Hope this helps.
 
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Asking them why they did what they do is almost an insult.

No it's not. It's educational!

If the gun works with whatever spring is in it, why do you care?

To learn more about 1911s and they function, how to customize them. I've never been one to just put gas in the car and drive it, I like to know how things work and how to trouble shoot it or fix it.

So much for "the high road".
Just because you don't get unquestioned support, doesn't mean that behavior isn't "the high road"...it is educational

Be aware that manufacturers aren't in the business of educating customers...they are in the business of manufacturing and selling a product. If you want to learn more about a gun you have purchased to either understand it better or to modify it...the manufacturer shouldn't be the obvious first source. You can ask them what the factory specifications are or if a function is normal, but to ask for the engineering reasoning/logic of a specification is a bit unreasonable

You can read up on the gun, you could take a class, you could contact a spring manufacturer, you can approach a gunsmith and pay for his time to explain how it functions...you could even ask on a forum like this

I called Sig today. They confirmed that 5" 1911 XO models do indeed get shipped with 18 lb. springs.

I asked why, and his answer was short and to the point, "because that's how we build our pistols".
While perhaps not insulting, it does reek of criticism...it would be like asking why a certain car is offered only in a certain color...you received pretty much the answer I would have expected from a question posed like that
 
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