They are starting to eat their own.

[leprechaun50]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...gleNewsEditorsPicks&google_editors_picks=true

Democrats and the Tea Party joining efforts to stop lawmakers from having special gun privileges.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

Too many law makers want special privileges for reasons X Y or Z, which of course are not legitimate reasons for us peasants to exercise our rights under reasons X Y or Z.

Animal Farm, Commandment Seven: "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."

 

[rdhood]

Guns for me, not for thee...

 

[Lex Luthier]

Collectivist egotism, curried by cults of personality, indulged in by frothy emotional appeal-based supporters. Not surprised. This has happened many times over the course of history. I pray we can all remain mature and responsible and rise above and truly take the High Road when called to do so.

 

[Fast Frank]

O.K, here's what I want to know:

Is a politician or elected official statistically more likely to be attacked than a "Normal" civillian?

I know that the numbers are there, but I'm not the guy to search them out.

They site the Giffords shooting as an example why they should have un restricted access to self defense. I'm betting that more civillians get attacked each year than politicians.

Yes, there's quite a few more of "Us" than there is of "Them" but if the numbers are drilled down to X/1000 then we can see if they aren't making our case for us.

I will bet 20 bucks on the fact that more of us get attacked than them.

 

[BigBore44]

What's good for the goose is good for the gander. I take no issue with them having "unrestricted access". I take issue with me and mine NOT having it.

 

[JustinJ]

Yes, there's quite a few more of "Us" than there is of "Them" but if the numbers are drilled down to X/1000 then we can see if they aren't making our case for us.

I will bet 20 bucks on the fact that more of us get attacked than them.

Who is us? Are you including gang bangers and other violent criminals? Are you including gas station attendants and famous people?

Who is them? Are government officials who go with a protective details included? And how do you define "attacked"? Is it muggings and all other crimes or just attempted murders? I would venture that the average law abiding citizen is much less likely to be targeted for murder than a high profile government official.

However, in all the high profile attempted or succesfull murders of politicians that i can recall having a gun would not have made a difference. Generally they seem to be attacked at large gatherings and never see it coming.

 

[X-JaVeN-X]

We likely get attacked more because "they" likely have armed security, or the bad guys know that they can carry firearms while we can't. Sounds a lot like the reason we all want to be able to carry in the first place...it's astounding how a concept so simple just goes over the heads of far too many people.

 

[loose noose]

Like I've allways said "When guns are outlawed only politicians will have guns".

 

[Hacker15E]

Yet again, we need to remind EVERYONE that there is only one type of US citizen -- one who has all of the rights and privileges guaranteed by the Constitution.

There are no "super citizens"...and anyone who thinks that there should be such individuals (law enforcement, politicians, military veterans, you name it) needs to be pointedly reminded of this as loudly as possible.

 

[brickeyee]

All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others

A proclamation by the pigs who control the farm in the novel :”Animal Farm”, by George Orwell.

 

[Devonai]

I agree, and the actions taken in Texas are encouraging. However, I find myself in a moral dilemma regarding the latest round of anti-gun legislation here in Connecticut.

The relevant portion is that magazines over ten rounds are banned from sale or transfer, and owners of such mags have until next year to register them with the state (though no mechanism currently exists to do so). Until then, owners are required to under-load their mags to ten rounds, regardless of the overall capacity.

The way the law currently stands, there appears to be an exemption from the second portion of the above, and possibly the first as well, for off-duty law enforcement and military members. The law does not distinguish between active duty or reserve components, so my plain English reading of the law (IANAL) is that as a member of the National Guard, I can continue to carry mags with more than ten rounds regardless of my duty status.

So if I take advantage of this, does that make me a "super-citizen" or an elitist? If the law is messed up to begin with, then shouldn't I be glad I'm exempt? Or should I carry my 8-round Makarov or 1911 as an act of solidarity with everyone else?

 

[JustinJ]

So if I take advantage of this, does that make me a "super-citizen" or an elitist? If the law is messed up to begin with, then shouldn't I be glad I'm exempt? Or should I carry my 8-round Makarov or 1911 as an act of solidarity with everyone else?

Unless you are somehow responsible for the new law i don't think there is any reason for you to feel guilty taking advantage of the exemption.

 

[rugerman]

If they can get away with it they will!!!! Look we get obamacare they are exempt. We get gun control they don't. We have to work for our retirement for our whole working life, they work to get elected then no matter now sorry they are they get a government tit to suck on after that.

 

[Bill4282]

Most politicians have a false sense of protection by carrying a firearm. 1. Most won't get the necessary training to stop an assailant or assess the situation. 2. History shows us that most attacks were spontaneous and even the bodyguards didn't have time to react before the politician was shot. 3. Gifford had a permit; didn't help her. 4. By their shear making themselves available to the public, there is always a risk of harm.

 

[Devonai]

Respectfully, Bill, those arguments aren't very far from the same reasons people oppose defensive firearms use in general.

1. Most (civilians) have a false sense of protection by carrying a firearm.

2. Most (civilians) won't get the necessary training to stop an assailant or assess the situation (i.e. only cops should be armed).

3. History shows us that most attacks were spontaneous and (those civilians) didn't have time to react before (they were) shot.

4. By (going about their daily business), there is always a risk of harm.

I would suggest avoiding using the same arguments the antis do against firearms use by everyone.

 

[Gallstones]

O.K, here's what I want to know:

Is a politician or elected official statistically more likely to be attacked than a "Normal" civillian?

I know that the numbers are there, but I'm not the guy to search them out.

They site the Giffords shooting as an example why they should have un restricted access to self defense. I'm betting that more civillians get attacked each year than politicians.

Yes, there's quite a few more of "Us" than there is of "Them" but if the numbers are drilled down to X/1000 then we can see if they aren't making our case for us.

I will bet 20 bucks on the fact that more of us get attacked than them.

More non-politicians, AKA average citizen, are robbed every year, raped every year, murdered every year. They just don't make the news. I also doubt, should Clinton or Pelosi or Obama have to call the police for an intruder, they'd be told "Sorry, I have no officers available to send right now."

 

[Gallstones]

Who is us? Are you including gang bangers and other violent criminals? Are you including gas station attendants and famous people?

Who is them? Are government officials who go with a protective details included? And how do you define "attacked"? Is it muggings and all other crimes or just attempted murders? I would venture that the average law abiding citizen is much less likely to be targeted for murder than a high profile government official.

However, in all the high profile attempted or succesfull murders of politicians that i can recall having a gun would not have made a difference. Generally they seem to be attacked at large gatherings and never see it coming.

Violent crimes against state or federal level political figures is not petty, whereas most criminals are and most citizens are just easier to take advantage of--quantity rather than quality.

 

[brickeyee]

They are also trying to exempt themselves from Obama care.

 

[Big_John1961]

The arrogance of politicians on both sides of the aisle never ceases to amaze me. Kenneth Sheets is the only one cited in the article who has a firm grip on reality:

“If we’re going to push for gun rights we need to push for equal gun rights,” he told FoxNews.com, adding that a Texas mother going to a grocery store should have the same right to protect herself and her children as a lawmaker would."

 

[armoredman]

I agree, Big_John, and equal access to firearms, or we can take the MP5Ks from the protective details and issue them Hi Points.