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They tell you that it's RULE #1.

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Brick, Oct 3, 2004.

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  1. Brick

    Brick Member

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    Yes. They tell you time and time again:

    1. KEEP YOUR STINKING FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNLESS YOU WANT TO DESTROY WHAT YOU'RE AIMING AT.
    2. BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET AND WHAT'S BEHIND IT.
    3. ALWAYS ASSUME THE GUN IS READY TO FIRE.
    4. ALWAYS POINT THE WEAPON AWAY FROM PEOPLE OR PROPERTY. PRACTICE POINTING IT IN A SAFE DIRECTION.
    5. IF YOU DON'T KNOW IF IT'S LOADED OR HOW TO USE IT, LEAVE IT ALONE AND ASK A KNOWLEDGABLE, RESPONSEABLE ADULT.

    Can never, ever forget the rules. EVER. I don't even own a firearm yet I know the rules. Everytime you practice, practice the rules. Including if you're presenting it to nuetralize the threat.

    Want a video taped evidence? Good thing it must have been Glaser Safety Slugs or JHP. (something)


    Watch the gun in the left hand side. Bullet strikes man in the head. :what:
    http://media.ebaumsworld.com/index.php?e=negligence.mpg

    Could never, ever be underestimated.
    :scrutiny:
     
  2. Valkman

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    That tape is at least 2 years old, and no one got shot in the head. She shot the ground and did injure her partner, who I heard was not a happy camper. A CCw instructor also told us back in 5/93 that she was being sued, but not by whom. Hopefully she got fired at least.
     
  3. PMDW

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    If it hit him in the head, it was not directly. He didn't look hurt in the end.
     
  4. Valkman

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    The way the suspect pops his head up and looks at her - he didn't get shot. :) If you notice she had the gun pointed much higher two seconds before. Good thing she lowered it or she would've shot him in the back!
     
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    That video keeps popping up

    And I think it could pop up alot more often. I have it saved so I can show new shooters why they must not touch the trigger unless they intend to shoot. It seems to leave an impression.
     
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    As I understand it, nobody was struck directly by the ND round.
     
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    "Expert" covers self with muzzle...

    I was watching History Channel and saw a noted "firearms expert" as the title under his name proclaimed point a luger at his own chest while turning the pistol around in his hands.
    Then he showed it off with his finger on the trigger.

    Can't remember his name, but the next guy was showing off another gun and kept his index finger along the frame and the muzzle pointed safely.

    Firearms safety is no accident. It's a requirement.
     
  8. Brick

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    thanks for clearing that up. yes i think it serves a good demo of what COULD happen

    sorry I didn't know. but if you watch it slow-mo you can see him put is head on his left arm like he was hit.
     
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    I thought it looked like he may of been hit by the ricochet(sp) that or the shot might of kicked up some chunks of blacktop and hit him.
    brick,
    was the '93 a typo?
     
  10. Bubbles

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    any particular reason why people prefer ND to AD? obviously, it's both. just curious...
     
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    Thanks Bubbles, that was an interesting article. But could it have been any more poorly written?
    An accidental incident?
    Is stupidity ever an accident?
    I guess you could possibly term it as a negligent accident.
    What the heck does that have to do with anything?

    It could just as well have been a wheel lock blunderbuss that he purchased that morning. If he had observed the 4 rules then no one would have been hurt.

    Hells Bellsâ„¢ if he had just made sure that it was UNLOADED no one would have been hurt. Why in the heck was this fool attenpting to clean a gun that he knew so little about as to know where the bullets went!
     
  13. Kilroy

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    In the extended version of the video tape, the officer who fired the shot tries to re-holster her pistol, fully cocked, and when she cannot do so, turns and runs to her left, then further left off camera, waving the pistol in the air as she runs away.

    One of her academy instructors told a class I was in, that her excuse was that the pistol was possessed.
     
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    The Brady Group sez:

    Yeah, that whole 40 hours of training did wonders for her, now didn't it? I wonder if she ever steps on a firing range at any other time during the year besides qualification? Somehow, I doubt it....
     
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    I've learned over the years not to expect too much from that paper. That way I'm never disappointed.
     
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    Well, that tape is OLD! :) But not that old - let's try '03!

    That's when I took my CCW class here in Vegas, and I didn't live here yet. That tape had already been around for a while, and during a break I asked the instructor (retired Sheriff's deputy) about it. He walked away and said "No comment!", then when he was a ways away he turned again and said "She's being sued." The second half of the class had a new instructor, and he's the one that told us that her partner was injured and very unhappy.

    My neighbor works for Metro in IA, and I rarely see him but one of these days I want to ask him about it.
     
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    It was possessed - by an idiot! :D
     
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    it is not 'obviously' both.

    If a gun is set down on a table and an earthquake makes it fall off and discharge, I would call that an AD. If it ever happened.

    If a person is handling a gun and causes it to fire (at anything other than an intended target) then it is ALWAYS negligence, one way or another.
     
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    I was referring to the video taped incident, where it was obviously both
     
  20. HABU

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    In the video it was not both. It was an ND.

    Now we have 5 rules? I always thought that the first rule was that all firearms are considered loaded.
     
  21. Billmanweh

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    we must be using different definitions of accident. an event can be both an accidental and caused by negligence. like that shooting in the video.
     
  22. 10 Ring Tao

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    And this is an example of the LEOs that were allowed to have "assault weapons" because they are so much better trained than I am. :rolleyes:
     
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    There is a difference between an Accidental Discharge (AD) and a Negligent Discharge (ND).

    Accidental happens without human interaction. It can only occur with a firearm that has a mechanical problem (slam fire or broken sear) or in the case of some other external force (excessive heat causing a round in the chamber to cook off). Negligence is where a person has their finger on the trigger and fires the weapon when that is not what they intended to do.

    This video is a classic example of a Negligent Discharge.
     
  24. Billmanweh

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    that might be your definition of an accident, but I think most people have accidents with human interaction. what would you call it if you spill your coffee at the breakfast table, an accident or negligence?
     
  25. GEM

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    Every once in awhile, someone sees this tape and has a hissy fit of pompous righteousness on some gun list. To be outrageous, part of that comes from it being a police woman. It confirms some guys' stereotypes.

    One can equally discover a tape of a suspect with a knife being held down and a male officer running over to the melee with an MP-5 and doing the exact same thing.

    The official line was that the suspect was resisting and the male officer had to fire a shot into the ground to scare him into submission. Bullpoopy.

    You know, there are a great many very well known folk who have ND'ed. A famous dude recently admitted in print to 3 of them. I know one who shot his car dashboard. I've seen another well known guy brain fart and draw on the class.

    Terrible lapses - yes. I think this tape gets such outrage because it is a woman. :fire: Flame on!
     
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